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Why the PS5 is a disappointment
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PS5 Weaker console, no actual backward compatibility with upgraded games like raytracing and 4k added, nothing about a better controller with better latency etc, sounds like some games might not be even native 4k, im very disappointed if anything this seemed like Sony trying to damage control and are freaking out over the powerful series x, pushing their crappy blurry Ps Now service ,xbox has been more pro consumer while PlayStation just acts like they care but then force you behind paywalls and subpar experiences.
LazyParrot
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If PS5 is a disappointment, then what the hell was the PS3?
CAB_Life
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A.) We waited too long—they could’ve pushed a 10 TF box out last year if they really wanted to.
B.) Hardware is weaker than its direct competitor, which is a reversal from last gen and arguably the PS360 era.
C.) MS has a stable of studios now that may be able to compete in terms of IPs (and they’ve handily won the hardware war out of the gate).
Price is the big differentiator; if MS is bullish on beating Sony in this arena, too, then they’re in real shit.
B.) Hardware is weaker than its direct competitor, which is a reversal from last gen and arguably the PS360 era.
C.) MS has a stable of studios now that may be able to compete in terms of IPs (and they’ve handily won the hardware war out of the gate).
Price is the big differentiator; if MS is bullish on beating Sony in this arena, too, then they’re in real shit.
SoullessApples
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Although a bit disappointing, they will easily outsell the Xbox if the price is low enough, especially if all this virus stuff keeps up, it’s now a matter of who has the lowest price this holiday season. Hopefully the economy comes back, but if it stays as it is, it will 100% be who has the lowest price for the holidays.
SmoothRunningGun
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They probably want to launch @ 399 again. Worked last time + M$ bungling.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Jeez, be patient!
Today was just the tech reveal of the PS5
I genuinely believe Sony purposely left out alot of the PS5 features today and just focus on the nerdy stuff so come the E3-like event, they will talk about backwards compatibility, PSN, DualShock 5, etc.
LittleBusters
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Typical out of control trolling, as expected. The bottom line is XBox will experience a big resurgence in the next few years and that seems to make a lot of people very salty.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Which is odd, because that will be good for the GAMERZ. Sony got very comfortable with PS4.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Never Change GAF
LittleBusters
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Funny how Sony Ponies drank that kool-aid in 2013 when they had the TFLOPs advantage, no? I'm not trying to troll you, but just pointing out the hypocrisy of fandoms.
njean777
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Too true, it was exactly the opposite in 2013.
reconminicon
Banned
I bought my 512GB Crucial ssd when the PS4 came out and it was about £140.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I don't know, it seems there is a lot we're not getting.
I don't pretend to know what Cerny talks about but there is a lot that I don't understand which can't be easily translated via a spec sheet.
Hence the hour long presentation.
People with knowledge of this stuff like John seem excited.
I don't know why because I don't understand but we'll have to wait and see.
My biggest disappointment so far is Backwards compatibility.
But maybe we'll hear more on that at a presentation made for us?
I don't pretend to know what Cerny talks about but there is a lot that I don't understand which can't be easily translated via a spec sheet.
Hence the hour long presentation.
People with knowledge of this stuff like John seem excited.
I don't know why because I don't understand but we'll have to wait and see.
My biggest disappointment so far is Backwards compatibility.
But maybe we'll hear more on that at a presentation made for us?
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SleepDoctor
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As said before. Competition is good, it humbles each one.
Ps2 > XBOX
X360 > PS3
PS4 > Xone
And now Xsx > PS5 it seems.
It definitely disappointing af. But in large part due to fanboys overhyping tf out of the console.
Its technically only 50% more powerful than the X. Guys keep saying "10.2 10.2 10.2" but thats when its overclocked and we don't even know how consistently it'll run at that speed.
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Ps2 > XBOX
X360 > PS3
PS4 > Xone
And now Xsx > PS5 it seems.
It definitely disappointing af. But in large part due to fanboys overhyping tf out of the console.
Its technically only 50% more powerful than the X. Guys keep saying "10.2 10.2 10.2" but thats when its overclocked and we don't even know how consistently it'll run at that speed.
Insert itsfuckinnothin.gif here
Cato
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Maybe a little hyperbole in this thread.
Those specs look perfectly fine to me. I am certain that they will be plenty enough to play all the jRPGs I plan to buy.
What is really exciting to me, and this applies to both XB and PS, is the use of raytracing engine to create better and more realistic audio.
We already have so good graphics in even last generation that to me anything in the coming generation will just be an incremental upgrade. (which does not excite me all that much. Graphics is imho already mostly good enough)
Would be awesome if we got a huge jump in quality and realism of 3d audio this gen.
Those specs look perfectly fine to me. I am certain that they will be plenty enough to play all the jRPGs I plan to buy.
What is really exciting to me, and this applies to both XB and PS, is the use of raytracing engine to create better and more realistic audio.
We already have so good graphics in even last generation that to me anything in the coming generation will just be an incremental upgrade. (which does not excite me all that much. Graphics is imho already mostly good enough)
Would be awesome if we got a huge jump in quality and realism of 3d audio this gen.
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Dargor
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Jeez, be patient!
Today was just the tech reveal of the PS5
I genuinely believe Sony purposely left out alot of the PS5 features today and just focus on the nerdy stuff so come the E3-like event, they will talk about backwards compatibility, PSN, DualShock 5, etc.
Really hope they dont wait that long to show some games, this presentation left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm sure many others agree with me.
PhillyPhreak11
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I'm not the biggest fan of Ryan, but the console isn't even out yet. Let's pump the brakes on this "disappointment" talk.
xool
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I don't know wtf was wrong with Sony today - did they walk under ladders and kiss a black cat?
First there was the GDC talk .. ok ..
Then there was the naughty dog gif :
Whether i like the game or not - the initial reveals showed some animation that looked a gen ahead of anything else I've seen .. today they think a fucking "clamber animation" is worthy of our time - seen things as good as this on 360/ps3 . not even going to mention the snow.
Are they having a bad day or is it going to be a bad gen ?
First there was the GDC talk .. ok ..
Then there was the naughty dog gif :
Whether i like the game or not - the initial reveals showed some animation that looked a gen ahead of anything else I've seen .. today they think a fucking "clamber animation" is worthy of our time - seen things as good as this on 360/ps3 . not even going to mention the snow.
Are they having a bad day or is it going to be a bad gen ?
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Not disappointed.
- Commitment to more AAA exclusive single player games
- Bottlenecks addressed (good for developers and designers)
- Much faster loads and SSD so fast that it can act as virtual RAM
- And new tech like geometry engine and primitive shaders have great potential for level-of-detail management.
Both consoles will have comparably impressive-looking games...best to get the one with the games you want to play most.
- Commitment to more AAA exclusive single player games
- Bottlenecks addressed (good for developers and designers)
- Much faster loads and SSD so fast that it can act as virtual RAM
- And new tech like geometry engine and primitive shaders have great potential for level-of-detail management.
Both consoles will have comparably impressive-looking games...best to get the one with the games you want to play most.
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Hellbound021
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The problem with releasing info this way regardless of how bad it looks now spec wise is they knew Xbox essentially revealed everything console wise and got gamers excited. Sony should have retooled for a week or two and made a proper presentation to gamers and then released the GDC talk for Devs. This PR disaster put them behind right out of the gate. Microsoft wins the PR battle this time by showing demos gamers understand, putting it in context. Sony needed to get their fans excited for the console after Xbox killed it this week. They did not, their brand took a hit. The only way they get people excited again is if they are priced 75 to 100 dollars cheaper than XsX and their first party titles are great. Microsoft however is slowly moving towards neutralizing the exclusives argument as well.
MaestroMike
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lol I'm impressed with both the PS5 and XsX. I'm still on the 1.31 teraflops Xbox One. PS5 is like 7 times more powerful.
Ten_Fold
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The thing I have a problem with is the backwards compatibility, I can see it not running ps3 native disc, but Sony give us a way to play our downloaded psn games we brought during the ps3's time. I can play 360 games on the new xbox. Is that really hard Sony, shit better not be more than $449
Balducci30
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Why don’t we call it a “disappointment” after it comes out shall we?
GooseMan69
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Meh, Sony’s first party always prevails, even when they fuck up elsewhere. They botched the PS3 launch but still managed to end the gen with a killer exclusive lineup.
Specs are solid, first party in great shape, and backwards compatibility will keep getting better. The Cerny presentation was a joke to the general public (for real, the average game couldn’t give less of a fuck about a tech lecture), but it’ll be a distant memory when they do a proper reveal.
Xbox looking real nice though. I would argue they might be better in every aspect (services, tech, BC), except the most important thing, which is exclusives. I don’t give a shit about their new studios until I see a game that doesn’t look like it’s straight out of 2008 conceptually. 343 and The Coalition still aren’t proven. We’ll see if Obsidian can make an RPG that’s not “MEMBA NEW VEGAS???”. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Specs are solid, first party in great shape, and backwards compatibility will keep getting better. The Cerny presentation was a joke to the general public (for real, the average game couldn’t give less of a fuck about a tech lecture), but it’ll be a distant memory when they do a proper reveal.
Xbox looking real nice though. I would argue they might be better in every aspect (services, tech, BC), except the most important thing, which is exclusives. I don’t give a shit about their new studios until I see a game that doesn’t look like it’s straight out of 2008 conceptually. 343 and The Coalition still aren’t proven. We’ll see if Obsidian can make an RPG that’s not “MEMBA NEW VEGAS???”. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Bitmap Frogs
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Yes, but was that NVME or SATA?
The prices I quote are top-tier consumer line, NVME samsungs.
Oh and if mods want to change the title to something less clickbaity like why the specs are lower than the new xbox or something like that, feel free..
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Gormless Noodle
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I definitely expect them to. PS5 has no advantage here, I saw Schreier saying how the SSD is a game changer, but remember that games tend to be multi platform, so this dream of Cerny where game design is adjusted towards this specific aspect of the console, is something that will only matter for their first party output.
Another thing here is also price. People keep talking about the importance of it being around 400, but that too doesn't matter at all these days. The demographic that buys consoles is of an age generally speaking that's more than willing to spend 600 for a decent piece of tech, we're not living in 2006 anymore.
tflopsmatter
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Has anyone done the math and realized the PS5 only has HALF the bandwidth (EXACTLY) as the XBox Series X? So in addition to having a much weaker GPU we have one that is bandwidth limited. I wish there was one thing about the PS5 that seemed amazing to me, but there isn't. The XBox Series X is superior in every way except SSD speed which really doesn't matter.
trancefreak64
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That shit was creepy and weird ha.Cerny invited the NPCs from forza 5 to the conference.
It was disappointing but I’m not really sure what I was expecting from this anyways
What’s the price? Do you know?
Also, I would rather pay a little more and have a much higher power console.
Wtf is this gif?? Looks like lastgen lol so comedic and mechanical.
Rightisright
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So where is the extra $100 in the XSX?
Same bluray drive
Same power supply
Same 16gig GDDR 6 RAM
Same plastic case
Sony will need a bigger cooling system
Sony will have a more expensive SSD
MS will have a more expensive GPU.
Where's the extra $100?
Maxwell House
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i’d be very surprised if Xbox SeX costs a penny more then PS5 this fall. The cost of the parts in the two look to be about the same based on BoM articles. Sony just badly designed their SoC and is trying to make up for it by including a more expensive SSD and overclocking the crap out of it, requiring more expensive cooling.
There is no reason XSeX will retail for more than PS5. They will both retail for $499 IMO.
There is no reason XSeX will retail for more than PS5. They will both retail for $499 IMO.
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Gormless Noodle
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I wonder how form factor comes into this actually. If Sony tried to make it small and sleek then that in itself creates some of those bottlenecks that the Xbox won't have I'd imagine.
How is it a disappointment exactly.
Not released yet, no games shown.
Just because the TF count is lower,and cpu lower doesn't mean its a disappointment
All of Sonys first party developers will be making games for it,and look what they achieved ON PS4 At least wait until it is out first.
Talk about overreaction, like a lot of posts here.
Not released yet, no games shown.
Just because the TF count is lower,and cpu lower doesn't mean its a disappointment
All of Sonys first party developers will be making games for it,and look what they achieved ON PS4 At least wait until it is out first.
Talk about overreaction, like a lot of posts here.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
It's nowhere. What does a console GPU alone cost? 100 bucks? If the CUs are the same die size, maybe the GPU is 30% cheaper.
I am a little disappointed. But not really. I want to sit out this gen on the console side because I don't game a lot and have a PC for the big 3rd party games. My PS4 collects dust though I did enjoy some exclusives. The XSX specs got me thinking I might get a PS5 if it was that powerful, but now I might be able to hold off.
hyperbertha
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Yea but the SSD is only going to affect first party games development.
redfirm
Banned
As someone in the dev industry i will try to explain this once and never again.
The advantage sony's SSD gives us is fucking unparalleled to anything you will experience next gen. If you think you have an idea what it means, trust me you dont. the whole idea of open world games, spaces, details in distance. it will all change. the definition of game design and level design is going to change with this and all people fucking care about is Terraflops. 12 TF means jackshit if your scene can only load in so many objects.
You guys are up for some serious game industry changing games and all i am hearing is why you are dissepointed because sony tried to explain to you why this is important.
The advantage sony's SSD gives us is fucking unparalleled to anything you will experience next gen. If you think you have an idea what it means, trust me you dont. the whole idea of open world games, spaces, details in distance. it will all change. the definition of game design and level design is going to change with this and all people fucking care about is Terraflops. 12 TF means jackshit if your scene can only load in so many objects.
You guys are up for some serious game industry changing games and all i am hearing is why you are dissepointed because sony tried to explain to you why this is important.
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VFXVeteran
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Sorry for your disappointment.
Do what I'm doing and wait for the mid-gen refresh.
There may not be one.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Agreed.
I think people are more interested in pixel performance (TFLOPS) because that directly drives how a game will look at the final pixel color level. The faster you can evaluate the rendering equation, the more features you can add to the look - for example - lighting calculations (which would obviously require faster throughput than any custom SSD).
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