heavy liquid
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Agent X said:
WOW.
Why we're skipping Nintendo DS
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AgentX said:
"Good" GBA Games:
Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
Tactics Ogre: The Knights of Lodis
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (eh...)
Rayman Advance
Fire Emblem
Medal of Honor: Infiltrator
Megaman Battle Network 1/2/3
Advance Wars
Advance Wars 2
Megaman Zero 1/2/3
Golden Sun 1/2
Metroid Fusion
Metroid: Zero Mission
Lunar Legend
Pokemon Sapphire/Ruby
Lufia: The Ruins of Lore
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Wario Ware
Wario Land 4
Ninja 5-0
Sword of Mana
Super Mario Advance games
Donkey Kong Country 1/2
Kirby and the Amazing Mirror
Astroboy: Omega Factor
Grand Theft Auto Advance
Mario Golf: Advance Tour
Wade Hixton's Counter Punch
CT: Special Forces 3
Super Dodgeball
What were you saying?
TheGreenGiant
Banned
GBA library is crap? HOLYFUCK
AGENT IX - you are a uber troll
AGENT IX - you are a uber troll
heavy liquid
Member
TheGreenGiant said:
No, it's not just crap. It's "one of the worst libraries of any video game system in the history of video games.
:lol
Agent X
Member
Amir0x said:
I believe I said it was one of the worst libraries of any video game system in the history of video games. I stand by that statement, too, especially in light of the ludicrous list of games you just named. It does have a few gems, so I can't knock it entirely, but the fact that you could only muster up about 40 titles out of a library of over 600 pretty much says it all.
Agent X said:
First of all, the list is not in any way ludicrous. Secondly, of course there are going to be waaaaaaay more bad games then good games. It's the way of the world. Did you take one good look at the PSX library? Or the SNES library? Or, hell, the NES library? 40 good games, and about 20 great/classic games are more than anyone needs or asks for.
uh, saying GBA has a shitastic library isn't trolling, it's the truth. Of all mainstream systems throughout the history of gaming, the original Gameboy and GBA by far have the worst library of games. Both systems are generally a dumping grounds for third parties.
In the console corner Enter The Matrix and Driv3r are considered terrible. Those games would pass for average in the Gameboy line-up.
In the console corner Enter The Matrix and Driv3r are considered terrible. Those games would pass for average in the Gameboy line-up.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the system, really, and I've received or purchased a GameCube, GBA and N64 at launch. But I'm not purchasing a DS at launch. Because I don't have the money and don't think it's worth it for the one game that really interests me (SM64DS).
But, you know, is that such a bad thing? I'll probably wait until I get out of school in early May next year. By that point, I expect a price drop. I might even wait longer if Advance Wars is coming out in late Summer, pick that up when I get the system.
It's launch lineup isn't enough to get me interested...but god, that doesn't make the system doomed, and there is no need to be fucking dramatic about it. Newflash: Some people aren't buying the Nintendo DS. One in 300 people will likely own one by the time the holidays are over.
So, omg, someone doesn't like the DS. It's their ability to do so. But it shouldn't be our duty to give a fuck. So stop giving a fuck.
But, you know, is that such a bad thing? I'll probably wait until I get out of school in early May next year. By that point, I expect a price drop. I might even wait longer if Advance Wars is coming out in late Summer, pick that up when I get the system.
It's launch lineup isn't enough to get me interested...but god, that doesn't make the system doomed, and there is no need to be fucking dramatic about it. Newflash: Some people aren't buying the Nintendo DS. One in 300 people will likely own one by the time the holidays are over.
So, omg, someone doesn't like the DS. It's their ability to do so. But it shouldn't be our duty to give a fuck. So stop giving a fuck.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Actually the GBA library is pretty bad its full of Ports and shovel ware, with a small amount of great original content.
Shitty library or not, the SP will outsell the PSP in 2005.
And here's a little tidbit for you.
Since the DS is being counted as one of Nintendo's handheld, any sales it gets counts toward Nintendo's total marketshare in the handheld arena. As long as the GBASP iis still being manufactured, well, it kinda looks like the PS2 vs. the Xbox in terms of the likelihood that the PSP will attain more sales.
And here's a little tidbit for you.
Since the DS is being counted as one of Nintendo's handheld, any sales it gets counts toward Nintendo's total marketshare in the handheld arena. As long as the GBASP iis still being manufactured, well, it kinda looks like the PS2 vs. the Xbox in terms of the likelihood that the PSP will attain more sales.
Agent X
Member
Amir0x said:
Agreed, which is why I still say the GBA is worth getting just for those great games. But really, the quality control on that platform is appalling. I haven't bought a game for it all year, just because there's been hardly anything released lately that's worth picking up. I think Insertia said it a little better than I did:
Insertia said:
I agree completely with this. If anything, we can hope that having a strong competitor like the PSP will motivate Nintendo and their third parties to step up quality on GBA and DS.
Speevy said:
Plus, PSP will be MUCH more expensive to develop for(and the games are sold cheaper than console games mind you.) I think one reason why Nintendo stayed with older tech is to keep dev costs down and the hardware cost down, thus we get cheaper games, quicker dev times on games, and Nintendo doesn't have to bleed money like Sony will with the PSP. Nintendo's strategy just seems to make waaaay more sense from a business stand point then Sony's....
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
lockii said:
All the good software on the GBA are Snes games SO NO NO NO!
TheGreenGiant
Banned
heavy liquid said:
thanks for point that one out. :lol indeed. Talk about a douche
I like the GBA lineup as much as the next guy but are you high or something? There was a ton more great original content on both SNES and PS1 compared to GBA. GBA is an awesome system, better library than GC and arguably Xbox in my opinion, but it falls short when compared to the PS2, PS1, SNES, and NES.
I'm personally not interested in the DS until FF3 comes out, and even then I won't buy it unless there are some other "killer apps" that make it worth buy.
I'm also not real pumped for PSP either though. Its lacking in stand out software as well, especially since early reports aren't too favorable towards MG AC!D and Dynasty Warriors. Ridge Racer and Hot Shots are looking real good however, so that, along with being better hardware, give it a slight edge for my next handheld.
heavy liquid
Member
Do The Mario said:
So, how many of these games were on the SNES again?
Amir0x said:
TheGreenGiant
Banned
Drek said:
just want to say that its easier to create new original content in the hey days when gaming ideas were still being worked on and created. its always easier to go from 0 ---> something then to try and reinvigorate ideas for new content.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
heavy liquid said:
7 or 8 ports and some of those games are not that great, you cant possibly believe that the GBA has a better library then the PSX or SNES.
That's like saying the PS2 will outsell the Xbox Next though. One's the established gen winner, not even leader, winner. Yup, the GBA SP will win its generation of handhelds handily (Big Pun +1). But it's not exactly the same generation of handheld as the PSP, is it? The PSP will be measured against the DS and/or the GBA2 IMO. If it's gonna be measured against the GBA and it's impossible 50M unit lead, then the show's over. I think it's sold 50M already at least, or something ridiculous like that. That's how many systems you want to sell in a generation, not just a few years. :lolSpeevy said:
Put it this way. The PSP could blow the doors off in sales from here to '08 and might still only be catching up to it. I hardly see that as a fair comparison. I think the relevant fanboy comparisons will be measured from the launch of the PSP to whenever. The GBA will keep a huge lead for at least a year. How many PSPs will Sony even make by March? And even if things go well, I don't know if they have the capacity to produce more than 20M per year given their commitment to both the PS2 and PS3 through early 2006. The question is whether the PSP starts killing GBA sales at any point leading to next year's holiday season. So far, it's sold like gangbusters just about everywhere, but will that continue once PSP production gets up to speed (assuming demand even holds/exists)? Nintendo will want to see sales like the PS2 - GC/Xbox in Japan, whereas Sony would probably something like PS1 - Saturn in Japan. I don't think they can hope to ever crush GBA sales, but maybe just edge them and gradually build momentum. PEACE.
heavy liquid
Member
Donkey Kong Country is a port from the SNES. Which are the other 6 or 7 ports from the SNES?
Catchpenny
Member
Why do people seem to think Sony has some magic wand that will induce third parties into consistently producing AAA software rather than shovelware?
I think we'll see some more worthwhile original content on both systems, because the games are on cheaper media than the GBA carts. However, to enjoy PS2 levels of third party support, Sony needs to prove that they can grab significant marketshare AND get PSP owners to buy more games than previous portable owners have. People keep saying that PSP will appeal to an older crowd that will buy more games, but I'm not convinced that such a crowd will do that, even if Sony is successful in selling to that crowd. I believe the low tie-in ratio for portables has more to do with people only using them for trips, or just not playing them as much as consoles.
In a few years, we'll see that the companies producing great PSP/DS games are for the most part the same companies that were producing great GBA games.
I think we'll see some more worthwhile original content on both systems, because the games are on cheaper media than the GBA carts. However, to enjoy PS2 levels of third party support, Sony needs to prove that they can grab significant marketshare AND get PSP owners to buy more games than previous portable owners have. People keep saying that PSP will appeal to an older crowd that will buy more games, but I'm not convinced that such a crowd will do that, even if Sony is successful in selling to that crowd. I believe the low tie-in ratio for portables has more to do with people only using them for trips, or just not playing them as much as consoles.
In a few years, we'll see that the companies producing great PSP/DS games are for the most part the same companies that were producing great GBA games.
TheGreenGiant
Banned
Catchpenny said:
But you see... that's just it. They'll be producing PS2 ports for years to come. You just wait and see. if you think GBA is bad.. I predict that the PSP will be a HEAVEN (because some of its game I will want ported) for PS ONE + TWO games
Code:
what does code do? TESTI see your point Pimpwerx, and I thought of it before I posted that.
Put it this way. The PSX is still being sold in Japan. If the PSX outsold the Xbox every month in every region, we could still consider it a part of the generation provided it was still Sony's primary source of sales.
So, as long as the GBASP is still Nintendo's primary source of sales, the SP is still part of the market, and any sales the DS happens to get is just icing on the cake. When Nintendo finally does release the Gameboy 2, the clock restarts and the PSP is the default market leader, leaving Nintendo to catch up. (unless of course the DS becomes Nintendo's primary source of income during that time and beats the PSP, in which case Nintendo would still be the market leader)
Put it this way. The PSX is still being sold in Japan. If the PSX outsold the Xbox every month in every region, we could still consider it a part of the generation provided it was still Sony's primary source of sales.
So, as long as the GBASP is still Nintendo's primary source of sales, the SP is still part of the market, and any sales the DS happens to get is just icing on the cake. When Nintendo finally does release the Gameboy 2, the clock restarts and the PSP is the default market leader, leaving Nintendo to catch up. (unless of course the DS becomes Nintendo's primary source of income during that time and beats the PSP, in which case Nintendo would still be the market leader)
Buggy Loop
Member
Do The Mario said:
Uhm, to me it does, Advance wars 1 & 2, fire emblem, Metroid fusion & zero mission, wario ware, 3 castlevania games, all the SMB under one roof (i dont care if they're ports or not, they're still part of the library and as fun as ever), and soon one of the best zelda 2d game.
Its lacking in the RPG department compared to snes and psx, but thats more a genre that i would play on console, mario & luigi was quite good though.
Having 2 advance wars, a series we never had before the gameboy advance, same with fire emblem, and we'll soon get the 2nd in north america, and 2 metroid games (ok, one is more of a remake but it has changed so much). Sorry but thats the best damn 2d platform i've ever owned
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
heavy liquid said:
2 DKC games on the List the 4 Super Mario Advance games and I am not sure about sword of mana
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Do The Mario said:
lol. "not sure about sword of mana". Why even bother arguing about this if you dont know what you're talking about?
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
how many of these games are ports
FF4
FF5
FF6
Chrono Trigger
DKC
DKC 2
DKC 3
SMW
SMW 2
Super Mario Kart
Super Metorid
Super Street Fight 2 Turbo
Lufia 2
Zelda ALTTP
Super Mario Allstars
TMNT Turtles in time.
F- Zero
Starfox
Super Punch Out
Super Mario RPG
The Lost Vikings
Lufia
Several Megaman titles
Secret of Mana
Super Bomber man series
Super Ghost and Ghouls
NBA Jam
Breath if Fire 1 & 2
Earth Bound
Final Fight series
Mystical ninja
Saying the GBA Library is better then the SNES or PSX is video game blasphemy
FF4
FF5
FF6
Chrono Trigger
DKC
DKC 2
DKC 3
SMW
SMW 2
Super Mario Kart
Super Metorid
Super Street Fight 2 Turbo
Lufia 2
Zelda ALTTP
Super Mario Allstars
TMNT Turtles in time.
F- Zero
Starfox
Super Punch Out
Super Mario RPG
The Lost Vikings
Lufia
Several Megaman titles
Secret of Mana
Super Bomber man series
Super Ghost and Ghouls
NBA Jam
Breath if Fire 1 & 2
Earth Bound
Final Fight series
Mystical ninja
Saying the GBA Library is better then the SNES or PSX is video game blasphemy
I agree with you about the shovelware. The PS1 and PS2 had/have shovelware, and so did the NES and SNES and Genny. Any successful console attracts lot more crappy game devs than good ones. So most large libraries are chock full of junk.Catchpenny said:
As for the tie-ratio thing, I see it different. I think the PSP's very capabilities will make it the obvious handheld alternative for the same type of games we get in the console market. So I think you'll see better software sales simply b/c you'll be selling more of the kinds of games people play. As opposed to the GBs, which IMO suffers a lack of software that today's average gamer gets down on. It's Pokemon and 16-bit games. I mean, you can't legitimately say you even get a Playstation experience on handhelds currently, and I think the PSP will change that. It'll bring 3D gaming to handhelds, and I'll argue that GT, GTA, FF, DQ, EA Sports, etc are collectively a lot more important than Pokemon and Nintendo's old-school stable. I think it's the reason the PS line has had such great tie-ratios so far, and why that'll help the PSP. But then, that's the big battle that's about to play itself out in the marketplace.
It's gonna be fun to watch. The last gen was over before it started, and it's about time the two market leaders got it on proper. All we need is someone to pull an Orin and dare to eat their DSL modem if one system doesn't sell a certain number of units. 
PEACE.
SantaC
Member
Let's bring up some great gba games that aren't ports.
Castlevania Cotm
Castlevania HoD
Castlevania AoS
Mario Kart Super circuit
Golden sun 1
Golden sun 2
FFTA
Metroid Fusion
Metroid zero Mission
Mario vs DK
M & L :SS
Mario golf
Zelda Minish cap
Fire emblem
advance wars 1
advance wars 2
Wario land 4
sword of mana
Astro Boy: Omega Factor
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town
Kingdom hearts : chain of memories
F-zero
F-zero legends
Boktai
Boktai 2
if you think that is one of the worst games in videogame history you are indeed a true troll.
EDIT: Low tieratios can be explained that some people buy flashcards. Piracy.
Castlevania Cotm
Castlevania HoD
Castlevania AoS
Mario Kart Super circuit
Golden sun 1
Golden sun 2
FFTA
Metroid Fusion
Metroid zero Mission
Mario vs DK
M & L :SS
Mario golf
Zelda Minish cap
Fire emblem
advance wars 1
advance wars 2
Wario land 4
sword of mana
Astro Boy: Omega Factor
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town
Kingdom hearts : chain of memories
F-zero
F-zero legends
Boktai
Boktai 2
if you think that is one of the worst games in videogame history you are indeed a true troll.
EDIT: Low tieratios can be explained that some people buy flashcards. Piracy.
iced lightning
Member
I can't even believe people are seriously comparing this to Virtual Boy. That's when you know someone is just bitter and/or stupid.
And for the people saying there is no reason for a touch screen -- there's enough reason in the fact that you can play first person shooters with controls that rival the keyboard/mouse setup.
And for the people saying there is no reason for a touch screen -- there's enough reason in the fact that you can play first person shooters with controls that rival the keyboard/mouse setup.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
iced lightning said:
This is outright delusion. I'm sure it will come to pass.
iced lightning
Member
Most of the DS hate is ignorant, fanboy driven speculation. How many people dishing out DS doom have even played one?
seismologist
Banned
I think Madden shows the best use of the second screen/touch screen so far. If you go read the review at Gamespot. It sounds like it's already making some important advances even though this year's version was mostly a rush job to make launch.
iced lightning
Member
Musashi Wins! said:
Haha have you tried it? Moving to an exact point within a specified box (touch screen) is basically the same as moving a mouse pointer. It's not hard to understand this and if you tried it yourself you'd quickly grasp it.
Phoenix
Member
iced lightning said:
Cool... but you compared this to a mouse/keyboard setup and said:
If you think that we can play a FPS and you can use a touchscreen and not get owned beyond reason by a guy with a mouse/keyboard combo you ARE delusional.
I think the 'touch' ability of the second surface is great and welcom. The second screen, however is gimmicky with arguably few practical applications.
iced lightning
Member
Well as far as portable FPS gaming goes it doesn't get much better. No one is going to be using a mouse/keyboard for a portable gaming system. That's the point. Not to mention it really depends on the quality of the player as I'm sure I could own many people using the DS setup vs. keyboard & mouse. Why is it so hard to believe that there is no way it could even be close to the keyboard/mouse setup anyways? I understand that's the best way to go... I play them often with this setup but the touch screen is a revolution as far as portable gaming goes for first person shooters.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Jesus, I think in all my years on GAF I've never seen this amount of blind trolling towards any one system or game. Even the pro DS threads that do not try to attract the trolls get ruined in a matter of posts.
Phoenix
Member
iced lightning said:
I understand where you're trying to go, your choice of words is just 'unfortunately over-reaching'. Will the touch be better than an analog stick for those types of games? Absolutely. As for the reasons why it won't be close - count the degrees of freedom you can reach with a mouse keyboard action versus those attainable with the touchscreen. The DS controls will be competent but not approach the capability of a mouse keyboard setup.
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