Why we're skipping Nintendo DS
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Catchpenny
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Both DS and PSP have launch lineups that are boring to me. I'm not paying $150 for Feel The Magic, Mr. Driller and Mario 64 with a few extras. I'm not paying $200 for Hot Shots Golf and Ridge Racer. Especially not when there's plenty to play on consoles right now, and a backlog to clear on my GBA. Both systems are intriguing to me, though, and I think writing off the DS (or PSP) at this stage is stupid.
:lol Too true. Maybe he's learned his lesson!
mumu said:
:lol Too true. Maybe he's learned his lesson!
Pokemon and Jump SuperStars ensure that the DS will be successful. 2 Million preorders in Japan also helps.
Why does it always have to be either/or? The DS and PSP can coexist in the marketplace because they are both going after totally different ideals. The portable market is completely different than the home console market. At a game store last year, a parent came in and bought 4 GBA's. One for each of his kids. I understand that the price of the DS and PSP are a little bit higher than the GBA, $149 DS vs. $99 GBA, but the difference is negligible. And when a family learns that they only need one copy of a game and all the kids can play multiplayer with that copy, it'll be a factor.
Why does it always have to be either/or? The DS and PSP can coexist in the marketplace because they are both going after totally different ideals. The portable market is completely different than the home console market. At a game store last year, a parent came in and bought 4 GBA's. One for each of his kids. I understand that the price of the DS and PSP are a little bit higher than the GBA, $149 DS vs. $99 GBA, but the difference is negligible. And when a family learns that they only need one copy of a game and all the kids can play multiplayer with that copy, it'll be a factor.
Easter is the 2nd or 3rd biggest sales period of the year. Not sure if the pattern is in videogames too.seismologist said:yeah who launches a system the Sunday before Thanksgiving?
much better to release it in March when nobody cares! :lol
Aside that, It might have been more lucrative for nintendo to have launched the DS today or Yesterday. They missed 2 larger sales days (Especially with the 15th having just passed) than the rest of the week (Aside from the Saturday after Turkey Day) will have. They just about need every day's worth of sales they can get, IMO. But then again they'll most likely sell out of their 500K-1000K units by the end of the year either way, with their limited shipments.
It's my thinking that some buyers, who traditionally get paid the 1st and ~15th each month, would have more money to spend on more DS games if the DS was released in a more convieniant manner. The system would have sold out before year-end but the real money is in the games being sold.
Random_Hajile
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So how will the PS2 portable do versus N64 portable?
I will wait for the GBA2... Cuz GBA2 will have to come out next Fall to put down the PSP!!
I will wait for the GBA2... Cuz GBA2 will have to come out next Fall to put down the PSP!!
I guess at least 1/4 of my passion toward DS is my love of new gadgets. It blinds me to shortcomings, I am sure. I will get a PSP upon launch too, don't get me wrong, but I am more excited about DS because I will get one in about 24 hours! 
I am more excited about the new Kingdom Hearts / Final Fantasy I&II games than any of the launch titles. Don't get me wrong.
I am more excited about the new Kingdom Hearts / Final Fantasy I&II games than any of the launch titles. Don't get me wrong.
seismologist
Banned
I'm excited Final Fantasy III is being optimized for DS play. which means touch screen menus
If it does well we'll probbaly get FFIV remake after that.
If it does well we'll probbaly get FFIV remake after that.
Random_Hajile
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Ridge Racer on PSP
Me thinks the DS version looks wicked... who is with me??
Ridge Racer on NDS
Me thinks the DS version looks wicked... who is with me??
Ridge Racer on NDS
shpankey
not an idiot
I kind of agree with him. I personally think the DS is a big mistake. I think the dual screens is a mistake along with the lack of an analog controll. I think the PSP is going to really cut into its market share in a big way. I love my SP as does my wife and daughter love theirs, and at first my daughter wanted a DS, but now all of us are going to wait for the PSP. It has a lot more games that appeal to us. Has movie playback which was a big seller for us and it has a lot more power and incredible droolworthy screen.
I have to admitt though, I am very tempted to get the DS still yet. In fact I may just to give it a chance. But when PSP comes I will make my final decision and sell one or the other. I think that will be the DS but who knows. In any case, Nintendo I think is taking Sony entirely too lightly.
I have to admitt though, I am very tempted to get the DS still yet. In fact I may just to give it a chance. But when PSP comes I will make my final decision and sell one or the other. I think that will be the DS but who knows. In any case, Nintendo I think is taking Sony entirely too lightly.
I really hope this Ridge Racer PSP game controls poorly and suffers from terrible framerate problems as well as battery life issues.
Why? Because I'm sick of it and GT4 mobile. Surely there are more interesting pieces of PSP software to discuss. Heck, that Mercury game interests me more. Talk about that. What about the Metal Gear card game? That's um...unique.
Why? Because I'm sick of it and GT4 mobile. Surely there are more interesting pieces of PSP software to discuss. Heck, that Mercury game interests me more. Talk about that. What about the Metal Gear card game? That's um...unique.
captainbiotch
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Good, better chance for me to find a DS.
Does this guy not realize the DS plays GBA software as well?
Does this guy not realize the DS plays GBA software as well?
seismologist
Banned
Random_Hajile said:Ridge Racer on PSP
Me thinks the DS version looks wicked... who is with me??
Ridge Racer on NDS
I like the DS version because you finally get to see the steering wheel inside of the car. If I want good graphics I'll wait for PS3 Ridge Racer. Which is gonna make both of these look like crap.
And after seeing both of these in motion. I'd say the DS RR stays alot closer to the classic RR gameplay. PSP version looks like it's been tainted with R Racing Evolution.
Phoenix
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seismologist said:I like the DS version because you finally get to see the steering wheel inside of the car. If I want good graphics I'll wait for PS3 Ridge Racer. Which is gonna make both of these look like crap.
Yeah but a PS3 along with a TV is a bitch to carry, and the battery life sucks
The DS is neat, you know. Nice concept. But it'll never survive more than one iteration, assuming the first iteration sticks around very long. This ISN'T the GBA2. Its a novel idea, but an idea as novel as the Virtual Boy was in its time. Now I expect it to have more overall success than the VB, but it really is one of those things perceived as a gimmick, because the mechanics that it makes use of don't translate to future use. In other words, where things like 3D and Analog control and color in portable systems are legitimate enhancements that stick around year after year, I don't see dual screens as one of those lasting gaming innovations that we'll still be toying around with years from now. It really IS kind of a novelty since it adds nothing to gaming's cabal of interactive elements BEYOND its function on the DS. What I'm saying is that playing on the DS can still be fun, but in the grander scheme of the industry, its a mere novlety, a bump in the road, a platform for some developers to experiment a little with and then, a few years down the road, forget about entirely. I can sympathize with the feelings of the person who wrote this, though. The rehashing of software doesn't work. Well, it does, but it really only goes so far. Almost ALL of the launch titles, and a good deal of the others ones announced, are repackaged versions of other games already available with a few DS-exclusive things thrown in. Yeah, I realize the PSP is kind of in the same boat at this point, but I think it has a lot more potential down the road to allow developers to really flex their muscles once it has a decent installed base. Will the DS as well? Maybe, but I feel its ultimate novelty holds it back and we're going to end up with a bunch of "neat, but ultimately forgettable" games. The whole thing sort of reminds me of the Segway debacle, actually.
Phoenix said:Yeah but a PS3 along with a TV is a bitch to carry, and the battery life sucks
I personally think there are going to be unused or sold PSP's after some gamers realize that they're not handheld gamers afterall, and the best place for the Playstation experience is right in front of the TV with the PS3.
seismologist
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People have different ideas. I view the DS as the next evolution in handheld gaming. Much moreso than the PSP. Handheld gaming is not about graphics and never has been.
Shogmaster
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Random_Hajile said:Ridge Racer on PSP
Me thinks the DS version looks wicked... who is with me??
Ridge Racer on NDS
You suck at the comparo.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm not buying a DS because it doesn't have Gamecube connectivity.
If it did, I'd trade in my original GBA towards the DS, its better screen and the dual library, but if I can't play Pac-Man Vs. (or downloaded Animal Crossing games) with it, that's just not going to happen. Maybe in a few months if everyone I know gets sick of Pac-Man games.
EDIT: So as it stands, it's waiting time for me. Maybe a PSP... even with the short battery life, the number of times I play a portable system for more than an hour (let alone two) at a stretch are... well, almost never. I can't recall having done it with my GBA.
If it did, I'd trade in my original GBA towards the DS, its better screen and the dual library, but if I can't play Pac-Man Vs. (or downloaded Animal Crossing games) with it, that's just not going to happen. Maybe in a few months if everyone I know gets sick of Pac-Man games.
EDIT: So as it stands, it's waiting time for me. Maybe a PSP... even with the short battery life, the number of times I play a portable system for more than an hour (let alone two) at a stretch are... well, almost never. I can't recall having done it with my GBA.
by the way, jer horwitz used to be on the short-lived but cool intelligent gamer, and has freelanced for gmr and xbn in the past. in fact, I believe he currently has a monthly column in xbn regarding xbox modifications. he knows games.
as an aside, I find the "who the hell is this guy telling us about games?" attitude fairly amusing.
as an aside, I find the "who the hell is this guy telling us about games?" attitude fairly amusing.
seismologist
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Shogmaster said:You suck at the comparo.
you'd be surprised at how close they look in person. Difference is not worth sacrificing a second screen, touch pad, and about 7 hr battery life
Duckhuntdog
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Random_Hajile said:
The PSP version, but which one will last you 10 hours and which one 2 hours?
Random_Hajile
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Catchpenny
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lockii said:
I'm moving with my girlfriend into an apartment that does not accept pets, and had plans to give my Sheltie away to a friend. Unfortunately this friend is getting a DS and heard about Puppy Times. Now he no longer wants a real pet, and we have to put my dog down. Damn you DS!
Wasn't it also ipodlounge who posted a similarly scathing editorial about the PSP shortly after E3? If so, at least they're being even-handed with the disdain :lol
And it really is an amazing study in reality dysfunction to watch anyone take the price of either the DS or the PSP, compare them to what else is on offer in that price category, and somehow arrive at the conclusion that either handheld is overpriced.
And it really is an amazing study in reality dysfunction to watch anyone take the price of either the DS or the PSP, compare them to what else is on offer in that price category, and somehow arrive at the conclusion that either handheld is overpriced.
krypt0nian
Banned
This loser just tried this on the DS IGN boards and got STOMPED hard! :lol :lol :lol
He's transparent.
Little fucker's even copy/pasting his comment from there!!! Junior member indeed!
He's transparent.
Little fucker's even copy/pasting his comment from there!!! Junior member indeed!
captainbiotch
Banned
Catchpenny said:
:lol :lol
I love shelties, have 2.
krypt0nian
Banned
He's just whining because he no longer gets anything free from being a bigtime wannabee Game Magazine editor!
Hell then I was a bigtime Mag editor with Segaunderground.com when DC was coming out.
Hell then I was a bigtime Mag editor with Segaunderground.com when DC was coming out.
While the handheld itself is no GBA 2 realistically, the future lineup it has on the other hand is basically what the GBA always offered. (Which was stellar for covering all the bases) Even more so now with a little more Square enix support! (Other titles would be like Goemon, more Rockman, or even the real japan seller, Jump Super Stars) Now don't get me wrong, I do plan to get a PSP as well. But right now, I'd say round 1 goes to DS for software IMO. Also one final bit would be neither DS or PSP have anything really worthwhile for launch. Just wait and see, maybe PSP gets round 2 and the rest of the handheld market later on 
Ok, you know... I'm just going to say it.
Most systems aren't worth purchasing at launch day. The only reason we as [hardcore] gamers DO buy them is because we're suckers for adopting gaming technology early. It's that simple. I think it's kind of misguided to judge the Nintendo DS as a whole against anything else just based on a few mediocre launch titles. Yes, the GBA is better than the DS right now in terms of software. The GBA also has a several year head start.
Eh. Anyway, I think the DS and PSP both have potential. Obviously the launch selection for DS is lame, but that's not exactly unexpected.
Most systems aren't worth purchasing at launch day. The only reason we as [hardcore] gamers DO buy them is because we're suckers for adopting gaming technology early. It's that simple. I think it's kind of misguided to judge the Nintendo DS as a whole against anything else just based on a few mediocre launch titles. Yes, the GBA is better than the DS right now in terms of software. The GBA also has a several year head start.
Eh. Anyway, I think the DS and PSP both have potential. Obviously the launch selection for DS is lame, but that's not exactly unexpected.
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