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[RSP]

you're eyes are deceiving you but it does look good. imo smg is the best looking wii game and it will force me to buy the wii

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once it comes down to €100 or less.

that is absurd. why even bother?

 

[Version 3.0]

plastic and shiney and furry

This made me chuckle, but you're right. When next-gen gets over this kind of crap, it'll look much nicer.

Most of these screens look very nice. Even the extreme low-end graphics (like Wii Sports and Wario Ware) look nice and clean. I'm excited--so many of these look like a lot of fun.

 

[Scalemail Ted]

Im pretty sure Zelda is still being released for GCN guys. I wouldnt really use it as a yard stick for comparisons for wii's performance.

 

[Rocked]

Im pretty sure Zelda is still being released for GCN guys. I wouldnt really use it as a yard stick for comparisons for wii's performance.

The GameCube version probably wont look as good though.

 

[bud]

that is absurd. why even bother?

what?

 

[Zoramon089]

no, this game looks exactly like what it is - a gamecube game (not saying it looks bad, infact it looks really good, but it is NOT next gen and it doesnt look better than other high profile 128bit games like FF XII)

I'm sorry but Zelda definately looks better than FF12. If you can't see that look at more FF12 in game pics because the difference is clear. Much like with FF8 and Oot

 

[nincompoop]

NO it can not be done on the PS2. There are so many enmies on screen.

 

[Chao]

Wow, can you see your Mee-friend tittays while fighting?

She's only wearing shorts!

 

[Amir0x]

Wow, can you see your Mee-friend tittays while fighting?

She's only wearing shorts!

no she has a shirt on

 

[usea]

Am I the only person really disappointed by the lack of a new Pilotwings title?

 

[Jokeropia]

:lol absolutely not. I hate non-games. This isnt just about gfx.

And Wii only has non-games. Holy crap what an idiotic comment.

Nintendo must have really hit a homerun this week to get so many trolls riled up.

I think many of these shots look great. It doesn't matter if they were on Wii or the PS4 ... they'd still look good. Art is more important the polygon counts and texture filters. Even more important, these screens represent games that I'm looking forward to playing, why can't I say, "Wow."

All this talk abut generational leaps and junk is getting annoying. That Zelda shot outclasses so many 360 and PS3 games, its not even funny.

Quoted for absolute truth.

 

[plagiarize]

Holy ****ing shit. For ****'s sake. Every sane person knows that the Wii cannot compete--even remotely--with Xbox 360 and PS3 from technical terms. People who don't realize that aren't going to have their opinions changed at this point, it's safe to say.

That said, do people really enjoy going through this bullshit all over again in every single Wii thread? Is it really so hard to just look at a screenshot and decide if it looks good or not on its own merits, rather than relative to other systems? Zelda looks great. Super Mario Galaxy looks great. I think Rayman looks great. I think Metroid Prime 3 looks great. Could they be looking even better on Xbox 360 or PS3, or even on Wii? Yes, no doubt. Do I care? no, not at all. That stuff doesn't even occur to me until the Perspective Brigade marches into these threads and loudly reminds everyone of it. Even then, it doesn't impact my actual impressions of the screenshots themselves, it just makes the threads more painful to wade through.

How many times has this same exact thing been pointed out? Does this really need to continue? Is ANYBODY having their mind changed about anything? Is anyone having any constructive conversation? No, of course not.

^this post should be editted into the first post.

when someone says 'I think Super Mario Galaxy is the best looking next gen game' they're quite OBVIOUSLY not talking technically. you don't need to come in here and start talking about polygons and pixel shaders and how the 360 and PS3 could make it look better. we know that.

we also know that graphics aren't just technical, they're a combination of aesthetics and technical wonders. some people put more impetus on the aesthetics part. me, however impressive Call of Duty 3 may look, it's still just another world war 2 game which i've seen done to death. platformer in space with all sorts of crazy, colourful and imaginative planets? not so much.

heck, if we were talking about Call of Duty 3 Wii and someone was saying 'i think this is the best looking next gen game' then that person would be crazy and then you can come in here and start giving out lessons on graphics.

i appreciate great technical graphics with a pinch of artistry. i appreciate games that aren't technically amazing that have great artistry. i appreciate games in the middle.

do we really have to say when talking about a Wii game, in a Wii thread 'looks good for the Wii' every damn time?

personally, i enjoy vibrant games with imaginative worlds, and enjoy dark scary bloody games. realistic ones don't do much for me. i can see that Fight Night 3 has excellent graphics, but when i think about great looking 360 games, i think about Kameo and Dead Rising, not whichever the most realistic game happens to be.

the next gen consoles are in my opinion being underused for the most part because hardly any games are using an art style other than 'realistic'.

okami is much more visually appealing to me than most 360 and PS3 games. that's just me, and you can't show me a close up of some netting on an army guys helmet to convince me other wise (and FFesque JRPG art style leaves me cold too by the way before you start sending all the FF screens).

i don't run into every next gen thread and go 'bad art'. you don't need to run into every Wii thread and go 'LOLZ NOT BETTAR THAN XBOX'.

IF WE JUST CARED ABOUT TECHNICAL AMAZINGNESS WE WOULDN'T BE BUYING A WII.

and you can appreciate both, just as i can appreciate the graphics of a DS game and a 360 game.

 

[AzureRonin]

Why does every single Wii thread turn into a "hur hur graphics next-gen are not!". I'm pretty sure it has been discussed to death. Yes Wii is not as powerful as the other consoles. Yes some Wii games look crap (just like some 360/ps3 games look like crap), but some games look great. Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Red Steel etc are far from being horrid and ugly.

I wish people would just get off their graphics trip. Graphics are important, but not all-important. I don't stick a game into my console and sit there and watch it, thinking about the aa, resolution and textures for hours. I play the damn thing, and if it's fun then that stuff doesn't matter as much.

"OMG Wii doesn't have next-gen graphics!!!" Really? anything else you want to repeat or is that all your chromosomally endowed brain can think of? How about discussing the games for once?

 

[GitarooMan]

Why does every single Wii thread turn into a "hur hur graphics next-gen are not!". I'm pretty sure it has been discussed to death. Yes Wii is not as powerful as the other consoles. Yes some Wii games look crap (just like some 360/ps3 games look like crap), but some games look great. Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Red Steel etc are far from being horrid and ugly.

I wish people would just get off their graphics trip. Graphics are important, but not all-important. I don't stick a game into my console and sit there and watch it, thinking about the aa, resolution and textures for hours. I play the damn thing, and if it's fun then that stuff doesn't matter as much.

"OMG Wii doesn't have next-gen graphics!!!" Really? anything else you want to repeat or is that all your chromosomally endowed brain can think of? How about discussing the games for once?

1. It's a screenshot thread, of course the talk is going to be about graphics
2. As bad as the "next-gen are not" are the people who say "next-gen are"

 

[brandonh83]

Words I think should be banned: "waggle" (only in relation to Wii though) and "non-game." One is stupid as hell, one doesn't exist.

 

[AzureRonin]

1. It's a screenshot thread, of course the talk is going to be about graphics
2. As bad as the "next-gen are not" are the people who say "next-gen are"

though it's a screenshot thread, the screenshots are still from games, games which we can discuss. Saying stuff like "LMAO @ graphics" isn't really discussing. And people saying the games look next-gen are also hung up on graphics. next-gen is an arbitrary discription.

 

[Pureauthor]

Words I think should be banned: "waggle" (only in relation to Wii though) and "non-game." One is stupid as hell, one doesn't exist.

No, no, waggle does exist.

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I kid, I kid.

 

[bud]

reading plagarize's posts is like reading a long-ass boring book.

 

[Pureauthor]

Reading stuff here in general is like watching an explosion of Alphebet soup.

 

[brandonh83]

No, no, waggle does exist.

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I kid, I kid.

Yeah, I guess both could fit into the "stupid as hell" category. =p

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

What would you guys rather play, 99 Nights or Zelda?

Graphics will never, ever be as important as gameplay. Ever. Graphics simply cannot make a game.

Graphics can certainly aid a game, whether it's immersion or simply shock factor.

But with all of this talk of the PS2 selling the best this holiday season, and so many people sticking with their PS2's thanks to the great upcoming games like God of War 2 and Final Fantasy 12... I find it more than a tad hypocritical to attack the Wii for having average at best graphics, when the PS2 is in the exact same boat, and yet so many are embracing it for this holiday season and until at least the end of the fiscal year.

Gameplay is what matters most, always. You can play Star Wars: Rogue Squadron or you can play Tie Fighter. Tie Fighter doesn't have bump mapping nor nearly as many polygons on screen. When Rogue Leader was first shown and up until it's release, it was used as a bench mark.

Fast forward two years. People look at it as overhyped. A simply average game with amazing graphics for it's time. Who gives a shit about Rogue Leader now? You look back at the GameCube, Rogue Leader ain't making any Top 10 lists.

I realize that being on a gaming forum, we are all initially exposed to the graphics. We might be lucky enough to be delivered to a video, thus initially exposed to graphics, sound, and seeing how the game plays... but most of the time it's just first screens or first scans. And that's the template we use. We can fully judge the graphics through screenshots and video. We can't come nearly as close when it comes to gameplay.

But overall, gameplay is what matters. Halo looked quite good for an XBox launch game. I remember fondly the sun filtering through the leaves of a tree at the beginning of the second level. But you know what I remember a lot more? Running over my friend with a jeep and then trying to use the warthog to get on top of the map on the beach level while playing co-op.

Right now you simply have to let people either bitch about the graphics or praise them. It'll mostly be bitching. There ain't much you can do about it because people can't play the game yet.

But whether you're the one bitching or the one defending, just remember the graphics aren't nearly as important as they're made out to be in this thread, or in most others. If Rayman is only a bunch of minigames poorly slung together, it'll disappoint. If Red Steel doesn't get it's aiming and sword play mechanics down, it'll be looked upon as an overhyped average launch title. If Zelda's aiming system seems crippled compared to it's GameCube cousin's, people will view it as a mistake.

So have your debates, have your discussions, but just don't forget-

**** you guys can be dumb sometimes.

Pretty much. I'm mostly excited about Zelda cuz it's Zelda. 2, because it doesn't look atrocious compared to 360/PS3. Comparing PS1 games to Xbox games, they look atrocious. I think for most A-AAA games on the Wii, as long as the gameplay is good, the graphics won't spoil you. It's similar to HD vs SD. Most people can appreciate HD. But they are not, as of right now, either capable or willing to tackle the financial hurdle. I've seen both and I don't explode when I watch SD or see Wii games. They are still nice in their on way and don't seem too gimped. Check out that Mario Firewalk shot. This is first generation. We see the bad (tony hawk early shots) and the improvement they have made over months versus the great, AAA, mario and we can tell that they have some room to grow and if all games looked like Mario, there would be less bitching.

 

[Fallout-NL]

And Wii only has non-games. Holy crap what an idiotic comment..

Nintendo just took the DS and made it into a console. So not every game is a non-game (or a party game or whatever), quite a lot of them are though.

 

[jacktion]

...pretty bad. It's about what I'd expect from an Xbox Ubi Soft title.

You think this looks bad? You are really the definition of a nintendo hater. If someone had shown you these pics and told you they were PS3 you would be wetting your pants saying how hot they are.
And show me an xbox title that looks like this.

 

[brandonh83]

Nintendo just took the DS and made it into a console. So not every game is a non-game (or a party game or whatever), quite a lot of them are though.

A lot of games they're releasing at first are what I'd call "experimental" titles. This will change though.

 

[Pureauthor]

Nintendo just took the DS and made it into a console. So not every game is a non-game (or a party game or whatever), quite a lot of them are though.

If Nintendo can really make a console DS (in terms of software), I'm happy.

Castlevania, Megaman, Final fantasy... Yum.

 

[kewlsanx]

Not at all trying to troll here, I think Zelda looks really awesome, this is just an observation...

I think the PS2 game looks about on par with Zelda in these very comparable pics.
In-game, Zelda definitely looks better than FF12 though.

no way you can compare these screens...I highly doubt that ff12 pic in in game..Its a higher polygon model used for a cut scene. Yes it's in real time but not in game...

The zelda model looks like thats the in game graphics as well as cut scene.

 

[jax (old)]

no way you can compare these screens...I highly doubt that ff12 pic in in game..Its a higher polygon model used for a cut scene. Yes it's in real time but not in game...

The zelda model looks like thats the in game graphics as well as cut scene.

um. they focused their polybudget on their faces for FF12. I thought everyone knows that. Hating on SE FF games + tech = :lol

 

[jacktion]

How come these yahoos can keep coming in here and ruining threads? I have been banned for breathing wrong a couple times in a 360 thread. Where are all the ban-happy mods when these trolls are wrecking shit around here?

memo to trolls; no one wants to hear your shit. we all know that the 360 and PS3 are more powerful than the Wii. That is not news. We know your games look better. We don't care. If someone expresses an opinion that Zelda looks good, you don't need to try to argue them out of their view. It ain't gonna happen. You will only succeed in being a jackass.

 

[PkunkFury]

um. they focused their polybudget on their faces for FF12. I thought everyone knows that. Hating on SE FF games + tech = :lol

He's not hating on SE FF games, and you are in fact proving his point...

You can't compare Link's face with the face of an FF12 character when the FF12 poly budget was focused on faces. FF games want to show emotion and lip synching for dialouge, etc. The way the characters look is very important. Link's face exists cuz it has to. His character model is designed so it can fit in a large scale adventure game setting, as opposed to an RPG which features regular close camera shots of characters

The comparison is just flat out wrong

 

[Hunter D]

Do I have to say it's SOLD for me again?


SOLDDDD!!!!!

I wander if the game will have the same draw distance on the GCN.

 

[koam]

Why are there PS2 pics in a Wii thread. GTFO.

 

[brandonh83]

I wander if the game will have the same draw distance on the GCN.

That's actually a good question...

 

[plagiarize]

reading plagarize's posts is like reading a long-ass boring book.

then i won't hold a gun to your head to make you read it all next time.

 

[Dr. Jade]

He's not hating on SE FF games, and you are in fact proving his point...

You can't compare Link's face with the face of an FF12 character when the FF12 poly budget was focused on faces. FF games want to show emotion and lip synching for dialouge, etc. The way the characters look is very important. Link's face exists cuz it has to. His character model is designed so it can fit in a large scale adventure game setting, as opposed to an RPG which features regular close camera shots of characters

The comparison is just flat out wrong

This guy is right in that you cant really draw a comparison here ... although it is valid in a sense ... Wii's power is not that great, and yes compared to 360 and PS3 they flat out blow in some games ... where its going to come down to tho is crafty developers and art designers. The FF team has done this for years, when youre running around in a field with lots of scenery the poly counts and details drop alot on the characters to make room for the world, but when the screen gets close up in battles and cut scenes, the characters are the main focus and their models get bumped ALOT. Its a nice trick and its used in many PS2 games ... Ace Combat, FF, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill ... hell even Halo on xbox does ... I'm sure if Nintendo wanted to they could have made that screen shot look 360 quality... too make Wii look really really good its going to come down to how developers use it bottom line ... it seems tho right now that most developers are rushing the gun with their ideas and trying to pump out games asap. which is a shame, but in a year or 2 we'll see better looking games out there

 

[Dr. Jade]

this isnt the best comparison but look close ... the top one clearly looks shoty, the bottom looks amazing ... if you were going to have an accurate comparison compare Zelda to the top pic

 

[Bodom78]

WTF is all the talk about graphics, thats whast we have the 360/PS3 for. We already knew the Wii was not trying to compare to these two console so why even bother with that argument? I don't get it.

As for all these screen, they are fantastic. Nintendo makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. CANT WAIT FOR THE Wii

 

[Rocked]

:lol I'd feel kind of bad punching a woman in the face in a game.

 

[Pureauthor]

It looks like she's crying. :lol

 

[ziran]

Nintendo must have really hit a homerun this week to get so many trolls riled up.

I think many of these shots look great. It doesn't matter if they were on Wii or the PS4 ... they'd still look good. Art is more important the polygon counts and texture filters. Even more important, these screens represent games that I'm looking forward to playing, why can't I say, "Wow."

All this talk abut generational leaps and junk is getting annoying. That Zelda shot outclasses so many 360 and PS3 games, its not even funny. If the Gamecube is capible of that, then why should we pay $400 & $600 for any next-gen console? My biggest problem with 360 and PS3 games (particularly in motion) is that they still look like a video game ... we still have framrate problems, still have poorl looking textures, still have some funky and repetitive animation, still have clipping and jaggies, etc.. Many times, it feels like we're actually arguing over which graphics are less ugly.

i agree.

zelda, especially, looks stunning!

one thing i find with the ps3/360 is as soon as you get to the game it looks like current gen with better graphics, i.e. in game doesn't look as good as the cut scenes, which is always the case. the thing is i've seen amazing cut scenes as cg, better than ps3/360, in games already.

also, the ps3 and 360 have until the dx10 cards come out before they'll be blown away graphically, certainly on a hardcore level, so will people suddenly lament on the fact their newly bought console is outclassed?

i mean, surely it would be okay to go into all ps3/360 threads and say, 'how can you find these graphics good when dx10 stuff already blows it away'.

the other factor of course is how the majority will react to wii's graphics? nintendo's betting on graphics alone not being enough to persuade most people to jump into next gen and i think it's true.

the bottom line is success in videogames is always about having the most games people want to play. zelda will be viewed as a wii game and it's definitely how nintendo will present it, and it looks spectacular, and will do to the mainstream.

 

[140.85]

 

[Scalemail Ted]

He's in everything!

 

[:Motorbass]

:lol I'd feel kind of bad punching a woman in the face in a game.

It could be your mother...........

 

[ziran]

one game that really shows how developers can acheive much better looking games than on gc is one piece by ganbarion.

it looks amazing!

loads better than anything they managed on gc:

 

[Matt]

Yeah, One Piece does really look stunning. So does DBZ, I think (although not nearly as good as One Piece). I guess Wii will be like the DS, where the really amazing looking games will be cell-shaded.

 

[Pureauthor]

Cel-shading FTW.

But... OP will be butchered in the localization. Nuts.

 

[AzureRonin]

I personally don't find DBZ or OP all that appealing however that cell shading is pretty freaking sweet.

 

[Pureauthor]

OP is pretty much the single best manga in Japan right now.

I'm not even kidding. The Water 7 arc is godly.

 

[Creamium]

More Sonic and the Secret Rings

 

[mckmas8808]

:lol I'd feel kind of bad punching a woman in the face in a game.

"I've played Wii boxing and I've learn that Nintendo teaches children to beat little girls at school."

 

[PantherLotus]

If you go and see the video for yourself at IGN, the presentation and implementation of the game really is quite stunning. I like the first-person-boxing (FPB?) with the transparent character. It also looks like the moves are 1-1, which should be amazing.

As far as hitting women. Don't feel bad--it's just a cartoon! Now, if this had graphic realism like FN3, it would be different. Also, not sure if people are realizing, but the assumption is that you can load up your character and be that person, and at the same time be able to see your opponent's customized character. I simply cannot wait to take a shot at my sister for real (for wiil?), after all the times she falsely accused me of hitting her.

Seriously though, this game has major potential. I'm hoping that it can combine with MiiChannel in a myspace type way and you can pick friends that you want to box.



More screenies as I find them.