bgassassin
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I'll make a thread, I guess... it'll be my first one so could some one help me along in making it?
Nope. You won't learn if you don't throw yourself in the fire.
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Wii U Community Thread
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Nope. You won't learn if you don't throw yourself in the fire.
bgassassin
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I don't know. Go find out.
ughh ok posted.
i really hope it doesn't backfire :[
edit: nice post
Hearing praise on the graphics side from Shin'en for the Wii U is always a good thing. I was hyped since the other interview from some weeks ago. (Here it is a quote for those who missed it.)
By the way does anybody have an idea of what kind of game they are working? That "literally thousands of animated objects" sounds impressive coming from them.
By the way does anybody have an idea of what kind of game they are working? That "literally thousands of animated objects" sounds impressive coming from them.
bgassassin
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It will go better than my first thread that's for sure.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141155
I think that was my first one. That's as far back as it went.
Super Meat Boy was a very big game with large MP3 tracks. They didn't want to remove content/compress too many things so they just skipped it altogether.
Shin'en built their games around 40mb, Team Meat did not.
bgassassin
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Well, it already has more replies
And just as many from me, haha.
I believe it started as WiiWare with the intention of bringing it to other platforms.
Microsoft said yes to a release, Sony said no, and it wasn't possible on Wii. PC has very few restrictions like those, so it released there as well.
I don't know this for sure, though
DaSorcerer7
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Congrats on your first thread Drago.
You vastly underestimate the size of uncompressed video:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncompressed_video#1080i_and_1080p_HDTV_uncompressed
1080i and 1080p HDTV uncompressed
8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 95 MB per/sec, or 334 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per/sec, or 445 GB per/hr.
8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 99 MB per/sec, or 348 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 132 MB per/sec, or 463 GB per/hr.
8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97fps = 119 MB per/sec, or 417 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97fps = 158 MB per/sec, or 556 GB per/hr.
1080i and 1080p HDTV RGB (4:4:4) uncompressed
10 bit @ 1280 x 720p @ 60fps = 211 MB per/sec, or 742 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 190 MB per/sec, or 667 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 50i = 198 MB per/sec, or 695 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 60i = 237 MB per/sec, or 834 GB per/hr.
Congrats on your first thread Drago.
Heh, thanks.
well I'm gonna go turn in for the night... hope the thread doesn't go awry while I'm gone.
lostinblue
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Kojima somehow seems to fit the bill better.You know it'll happen, lol. Some dev will refuse to compress their 20 hours of cutscenes in any way at all. I wonder if Square Enix is up to the task.
FFXIII and FFXIII-2 aren't all that well encoded, even on PS3:
Look at the reds, certainly not H264 or VC-1 and not VBR.
bgassassin
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Heh, thanks.
well I'm gonna go turn in for the night... hope the thread doesn't go awry while I'm gone.
I'm working on it.
Crazy though. Why not just give a good CPU along with it to give more options and ease porting. Especially when 720/PS4 will have both. It can't have really saved them much to underclock right?
holy fuck that's final fantasy xiii?!
how the fuck could they follow up ffxii with that.
I Stalk Alone
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looks more like killzone.
i actually thought it was killzone
me too, honestly :\
Last one was a re-tweet by Mr. Harada.
Kojima somehow seems to fit the bill better.
FFXIII and FFXIII-2 aren't all that well encoded, even on PS3:
Look at the reds, certainly not H264 or VC-1 and not VBR.
The reason that the reds (and blues and greens) look low res is due to chroma subsampling, something that both VC-1 and H.264 support.
You might want to add here that you actually have no idea what features the GPU is capable of, just in case anybody makes the mistake if thinking you know what you're talking about.
lostinblue
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The drone design is really similar, yeah.
I know; but VC-1 and H.264 reduce it with variable block-size motion compensation, vbr and other features. (also 4:4:4 support in H.264 case)
FFXIII on PS3 seems like MPEG2 at really high bitrates, it's still a victim of the encoding technology (the X360 version on the other hand being a wreck due to the high bitrate not being there). Anyway all this because we were saying square-enix isn't willing to compress anything, they are. Kojima productions are the guys that legend says didn't use sound compression in MGS4; never dwelled too much into this though so I don't know for sure.
BTW, I saw some red subsampling artifacts on the Wii-U controller screen on the games I tested; definitely 4:2:0.
Not to worry. Only Kotaku would use him as a source.
Mr. MondayNight
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Which is worse waiting for the Wii U to release without touching it... OR playing the Wii U and knowing that you may not get to touch it again until you buy one.
MadeInBeats
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Ahh, good spec and posts though the night, otherwise known as Heavy Repellent Lotion. Yesterday's Tekken statement is now just today's fish & chip paper. Get your WiiU code base built up and stop your moaning ;-)
- 21.11.12: Rise of the Guardians (EUR 54.98)
- 29.11.12: Ben10 Omniverse (EUR 54.98)
- 29.11.12: F1 Race Stars (EUR 54.98)
- 29.11.12: Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (EUR 59.98)
- 29.11.12: Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (EUR 54.98)
- 30.11.12: Warriors Orochi 3 (EUR 59.98)
- 30.11.12: Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed (EUR 59.98)
- 30.12.12: Sport Island (EUR 59.98)
- 15.02.13: PES 13 (EUR 59.98)
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Wii U to be released at November 21st?
- 29.11.12: Ben10 Omniverse (EUR 54.98)
- 29.11.12: F1 Race Stars (EUR 54.98)
- 29.11.12: Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (EUR 59.98)
- 29.11.12: Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (EUR 54.98)
- 30.11.12: Warriors Orochi 3 (EUR 59.98)
- 30.11.12: Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed (EUR 59.98)
- 30.12.12: Sport Island (EUR 59.98)
- 15.02.13: PES 13 (EUR 59.98)
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Wii U to be released at November 21st?
lostinblue
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My birthday.
Nintendo don't do that; my monies will be gone before they land in me pockets.
Even a completely bog standard R700 is by no means terrible at GPGPU. It's not well suited for everything, but perfectly fine for physics or pathfinding. Examples (all on R700): Havok Cloth OpenCL, AMD March of the Froblins demo (GPGPU pathfinding/ AI with ~3000 entities).
PuppetSlave
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In europe!? That would be a christmas miracle.
I would have thought 12 december in europe and maybe 21 november in the US and Japan.
These are based on industry standards, they do not represent anything but those. The 1080p is a HDTV standard, format and it's quality is what it matters, and it's nothing special, TV tech far behind PC monitors.
However they show uncompressed size so this may not apply directly. We do not exactly know which one of these resolution standards, but be sure that there's definitely such bitrate restriction to maintain propereties of the selected resolution, it's just used for LCD manufacturing as a business approach, manufacturing custom size LCDs is more expensive than just ordering what's already being pumped out. I believe the rumor was q-HD , some even go as far as 720p but ... the pixel density is large, it should look fine even when less than q-HD. However they would really need those extra pixels to accomodate the screen switch, it may not look great otherwise when a big screen is shrinked, that's when the technology comes in, It may just be true that the game software and GPU actually produce the separate output rendered in DRC-native resolution. Well ... I think they call it Eyefinity, scaling is history.
I just hope the WiiU DRC has adjustable resolution by developers, and some kind of standby mode when it's not outputting any heavy game visuals from console so extra power for the main screen, well when there's map and menus there should not be much going on.
I'd say it's two days early: software/hardware releases are mostly fridays right?
November 21 sounds about right. I wonder if they're obligated to avoid the release of Halo 4 and Black Ops II. I'd assume GameStop prefers to stagger their huge releases.
Holy crap, and that's without audio? .....Well, good thing for compression, haha. Dem codecs.
Holy crap, and that's without audio? .....Well, good thing for compression, haha. Dem codecs.
Related question. Any idea what order of magnitude performance increases we typically look at when moving code from CPU to GPGPU? Taking into account the length of a piece of string and all of course.
I think all these multiplier means nothing for Tomorrow Corporation, an indie studio which just announced Little Inferno for Wii U coming this winter.
From GI >
From GI >
shinra-bansho
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Regarding game budgets: How common is the $100M game anyway? Games like Uncharted and Gears are made on budgets of ~$20M from what I recall...
Regarding the discussion about POWER7: I actually don't think IBM has ever explicitly stated anything about "POWER7" or used the term "POWER7", or even "Watson technology" through any official release.
That was something of an editorialisation by Engadget I'd say.
IBM's official press release regarding their CPU for Wii U only states the following:
Regarding the discussion about POWER7: I actually don't think IBM has ever explicitly stated anything about "POWER7" or used the term "POWER7", or even "Watson technology" through any official release.
That was something of an editorialisation by Engadget I'd say.
IBM's official press release regarding their CPU for Wii U only states the following:
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Rösti
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I got this reply from Nintendo of America today, regarding why there will be no Wii U demo kiosks at Comic-Con:
He didn't even mention the Wii U Experience event taking place at the Nintendo Gaming Lounge in the San Diego Ballroom at the Marriott Marquis & Marina, at the same dates as Comic-Con. Sure, that event is invitation only as far as I know, but why not mention it as a way to get more, not necessarily new, information about the console? The New York event provided some new media at least.
lostinblue
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Uncharted? No wai, specially the first one when they had to include technology R&D. Gears of War 1 was said to be a 10 million game, but you have to take into account they're not including tech/engine R&D (or promotion costs) it's a poster child with special conditions.
Most games are costing more than 20 million, approaching 30 million when in multiplatform development.
As for 100 million, it's certainly possible to get there, specially when you had to develop your tech and assets from the ground and it's your first game using it/them. Top range dev costs last gen were 30 million, for such games, with the increase in development time, number of developers and complexity of the tech/work of course the end price can't stay in the same range.
This, yeah.
Haha, you got the digits mixed up. I'm 24 years old as of last month
I'm guessing he was talking about the meaning of life, not your age xD
Comandr
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My money is on November 18th or maybe the 25th in the States. Nintendo loves Sundays.
I am positively giddy about this. Another WoG-esque game for the Wii? Bring it!
And as far as my soundtrack expectations go: my iPod is ready.
File this under: Pleasant Surprises
This is turning out to be a rather positive week for the U thus far. I like!
I'm sticking to my expectation of the 18th. The 25th seems a bit late in the shopping season; Nintendo wouldn't want to miss out on Black Friday shopping volumes.
Still wishing for October.. such a perfect month.. football, pumpkins, tolerable weather..
Because those are the only options? "Yeah it's a great CPU" or "the CPU sucks"? Why not just shut up about the CPU and focus on the GPU or the amount of RAM... features where the difference with current gen are actually worthwhile? The comparison with Wii doesn't stick because there was basically nothing positive to be said about the Wii hardware. So if you wanted to spin it, you would be lying either way. This is not the case with WiiU. If you want to spin it, just say the GPU has a lot of new features the current gen doesn't have and the amount of RAM allows for much greater texture detail etc. No need to start working yourself in trouble with shady remarks that could bite you in the ass regarding the CPU.
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