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[GameplayWhore]

You think we're going to get usernames?

Of course we will. I'm going to try for the username I use for all my consoles: 1554 6397 9626 0541

 

[Fourth Storm]

Who cares if it includes all our favorite franchises, it's a minigame collection that's based around multiplayer play, but doesn't include online. So it's useless to me.

That it doesn't include online does strike me as a huge oversight. Everyone is looking to see if Nintendo is serious about online play and that their supposed "killer app" at launch lacks this feature just speaks volumes.

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

What's with the hate for Nintendo Land, even here? It's a game that includes all your favorite franchises in one you jabrones. Think of it as a fleshed out demo for all the goodness to come. It looks like it has a really cool visual style too. I can't disagree though that it probably would do better as downloadable or pack-in

Downloadable so people will have a reason to connect it to the Nintendo Network....

 

[AniHawk]

Downloadable so people will have a reason to connect it to the Nintendo Network....

hm. i wonder if they'll go this route, and let you download 'attractions' separately or buy the whole thing for less than the price of each game (say each attraction was $5, but the whole package was $50)

 

[EatChildren]

What's with the hate for Nintendo Land, even here? It's a game that includes all your favorite franchises in one you jabrones. Think of it as a fleshed out demo for all the goodness to come. It looks like it has a really cool visual style too. I can't disagree though that it probably would do better as downloadable or pack-in

The disastrous E3 presentation probably soured it for a lot of people. First impressions count and Nintendo Land's was bad. I don't think many people would be vehemently opposed to the idea of a virtual Nintendo theme park, even if they themselves are uninterested, but Nintendo Land looked very unappealing. The hub is terrible looking, and that doesn't help things.

Plus, I think, bundled in with Nintendo's shitty E3 presentation something like Nintendo Land cast a negative shadow. People were thinking "I hope they tease next generation Mario, Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero or any other major Nintendo franchises!", and Nintendo did...as minigames in Nintendo Land.

Personally, everything surrounding the game soured it for me. I'm not opposed to the minigame collection, but I don't think the package itself looks all that great. It strikes me as the kind of game you want bundled in a system or pre-installed on the OS, built for a digital environment, emulating a real world theme park, expandable with rides and attractions. It's also a good basis for an online 'hub' of sorts, where socialising and networking is a big component, again like a real theme park. To me it seems like Nintendo had a fine idea with Nintendo Land, and aren't building it as anything more than yet another mini-game collection. That's a bit boring and seriously misses the potential of a Nintendo franchise theme park, and what a real world theme park represents.

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

hm. i wonder if they'll go this route, and let you download 'attractions' separately or buy the whole thing for less than the price of each game (say each attraction was $5, but the whole package was $50)

The game can't be that big so I say if you get online within the first 3 months give it out to those people for free......

 

[AzaK]

The disastrous E3 presentation probably soured it for a lot of people. First impressions count and Nintendo Land's was bad. I don't think many people would be vehemently opposed to the idea of a virtual Nintendo theme park, even if they themselves are uninterested, but Nintendo Land looked very unappealing. The hub is terrible looking, and that doesn't help things.

Plus, I think, bundled in with Nintendo's shitty E3 presentation something like Nintendo Land cast a negative shadow. People were thinking "I hope they tease next generation Mario, Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero or any other major Nintendo franchises!", and Nintendo did...as minigames in Nintendo Land.

Personally, everything surrounding the game soured it for me. I'm not opposed to the minigame collection, but I don't think the package itself looks all that great. It strikes me as the kind of game you want bundled in a system or pre-installed on the OS, built for a digital environment, emulating a real world theme park, expandable with rides and attractions. It's also a good basis for an online 'hub' of sorts, where socialising and networking is a big component, again like a real theme park. To me it seems like Nintendo had a fine idea with Nintendo Land, and aren't building it as anything more than yet another mini-game collection. That's a bit boring and seriously misses the potential of a Nintendo franchise theme park, and what a real world theme park represents.

Well said. An actual Nintendo theme park could be potentially amazing on both a game and social level, but alas Nintendo Land is not it.

 

[10k]

My point is, is if Sony pulls another huge loss leading model with PS4 (or Orbis, whatever they're going to call it) like they did with PS3 (&/or PS Vita), then they're going to wind up being the next Sega.

And my point is don't be naive and expect Sony to nerd their console just so the wii U won't be much weaker than it. That's false hope.

 

[canvee]

The disastrous E3 presentation probably soured it for a lot of people. First impressions count and Nintendo Land's was bad. I don't think many people would be vehemently opposed to the idea of a virtual Nintendo theme park, even if they themselves are uninterested, but Nintendo Land looked very unappealing. The hub is terrible looking, and that doesn't help things.

Plus, I think, bundled in with Nintendo's shitty E3 presentation something like Nintendo Land cast a negative shadow. People were thinking "I hope they tease next generation Mario, Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero or any other major Nintendo franchises!", and Nintendo did...as minigames in Nintendo Land.

Personally, everything surrounding the game soured it for me. I'm not opposed to the minigame collection, but I don't think the package itself looks all that great. It strikes me as the kind of game you want bundled in a system or pre-installed on the OS, built for a digital environment, emulating a real world theme park, expandable with rides and attractions. It's also a good basis for an online 'hub' of sorts, where socialising and networking is a big component, again like a real theme park. To me it seems like Nintendo had a fine idea with Nintendo Land, and aren't building it as anything more than yet another mini-game collection. That's a bit boring and seriously misses the potential of a Nintendo franchise theme park, and what a real world theme park represents.

The end of the presentation with nintendoland was lulz, complete silence with in-game fireworks playing in the background.

 

[antonz]

And my point is don't be naive and expect Sony to nerd their console just so the wii U won't be much weaker than it. That's false hope.

Sony has already made it clear the days of exotic are over. That doesnt mean the PS4 will be junk its just not going to be what people expect. It will be comfrotably ahead of the WiiU but not devastatingly so

 

[GameplayWhore]

And my point is don't be naive and expect Sony to nerd their console just so the wii U won't be much weaker than it. That's false hope.

False hope for a Nintendo fan would be for Sony to superpower their console so it's impossible to price it competitively.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Much more reasonable discussion here as expected. Im not sure what launch games people want that arent buying it because of that sole purpose.

 

[Loghorn150]

And my point is don't be naive and expect Sony to nerd their console just so the wii U won't be much weaker than it. That's false hope.

I never said that at all. I'm just speaking reality.

 

[10k]

Sony has already made it clear the days of exotic are over. That doesnt mean the PS4 will be junk its just not going to be what people expect. It will be comfrotably ahead of the WiiU but not devastatingly so

False hope for a Nintendo fan would be for Sony to superpower their console so it's impossible to price it competitively.

My post was supposed to say "nerf" not nerd lol.

I'm just saying it seems Nintendo fans went from "Wii U is weak" to "it's weak but PS4 and 720 wont be big leaps too". I'm just saying maybe us fans need to accept that barring a huge industry change, Nintendo won't ever compete hardware wise again and will be a unique console each gen that runs on its own chronological path.

It's time to accept the Wii U for what it is, a unique console offering new gameplay ideas with a strong lineup of Nintendo exclusives and the occasional big third party game. (see GameCube)

 

[Meelow]

My post was supposed to say "nerf" not nerd lol.

I'm just saying it seems Nintendo fans went from "Wii U is weak" to "it's weak but PS4 and 720 wont be big leaps too". I'm just saying maybe us fans need to accept that barring a huge industry change, Nintendo won't ever compete hardware wise again and will be a unique console each gen that runs on its own chronological path.

It's time to accept the Wii U for what it is, a unique console offering new gameplay ideas with a strong lineup of Nintendo exclusives and the occasional big third party game. (see GameCube)

I think if Sony or Microsoft or someone new came in the 9th gen before the Wii U successor I think Nintendo can out power the other console, but since the Wii U successor will probably be first 9th gen than it will be the weakest, unless Sony or Microsoft pull a Wii.

 

[10k]

I think if Sony or Microsoft or someone new came in the 9th gen before the Wii U successor I think Nintendo can out power the other console, but since the Wii U successor will probably be first 9th gen than it will be the weakest, unless Sony or Microsoft pull a Wii.

What's kept Nintendo alive since they were losing the console wars before the Wii was software and cheap hardware. The 64 and GCN were cheaper than competitors and had killer exclusives that we're worth the price of the console. The Wii also had the motion control gimmick on top of huge software sales and hardware sales.

It's not about the power. Software is king and as long as Nintendo continues to deliver unique and compelling software they will be okay.

Playstations best selling IP is usually gran tourismo and it sells around 7 million-10 million a generation. Nintendo has how many IP's that sell above that? InFamous and God of War break a million. Zelda and donkey kong pull in 5 million+. Resistance 3 sold 500k. Metroid Prime 3 sold 1.7 million. All of those games on weaker hardware still outsold them. Why? Superior quality and brand image. Nintendo has that advantage and won't lose it barring anything drastic happening.

Just accept the Wii U's power for what it is. Stop trying to compare it to others. They're doing their own thing now.

 

[Loghorn150]

It seems Nintendo fans went from "Wii U is weak" to "it's weak but PS4 and 720 wont be big leaps too". I'm just saying maybe us fans need to accept that barring a huge industry change, Nintendo won't ever compete hardware wise again and will be a unique console each gen that runs on its own chronological path.

It's time to accept the Wii U for what it is, a unique console offering new gameplay ideas with a strong lineup of Nintendo exclusives and the occasional big third party game. (see GameCube)

OK, if you say so. Just don't say that we didn't warn you should this happen.

 

[GameplayWhore]

I think if Sony or Microsoft or someone new came in the 9th gen before the Wii U successor I think Nintendo can out power the other console, but since the Wii U successor will probably be first 9th gen than it will be the weakest, unless Sony or Microsoft pull a Wii.

I'm going to be a bit gleeful if they totally desynchronize. What happens if the PS4 starts in 2014 and goes for eight years? If Nintendo stays with a normal six year cycle, that means that the Wii UV will start in 2018, the PS5 will start in 2022, and the WUV2 will start in 2024. MADNESS I TELL YOU

 

[10k]

Dear god, the $300 Wii U thread. Dear god....

 

[Earendil]

Much more reasonable discussion here as expected. Im not sure what launch games people want that arent buying it because of that sole purpose.

Most of the people complaining in that thread probably had no intention of buying the thing to begin with.

 

[10k]

OK, if you say so. Just don't say that we didn't warn you should this happen.

If what happens?

 

[Meelow]

What's kept Nintendo alive since they were losing the console wars before the Wii was software and cheap hardware. The 64 and GCN were cheaper than competitors and had killer exclusives that we're worth the price of the console. The Wii also had the motion control gimmick on top of huge software sales and hardware sales.

It's not about the power. Software is king and as long as Nintendo continues to deliver unique and compelling software they will be okay.

Playstations best selling IP is usually gran tourismo and it sells around 7 million-10 million a generation. Nintendo has how many IP's that sell above that? InFamous and God of War break a million. Zelda and donkey kong pull in 5 million+. Resistance 3 sold 500k. Metroid Prime 3 sold 1.7 million. All of those games on weaker hardware still outsold them. Why? Superior quality and brand image. Nintendo has that advantage and won't lose it barring anything drastic happening.

Just accept the Wii U's power for what it is. Stop trying to compare it to others. They're doing their own thing now.

I was just saying if somewhere released a console before Nintendo in the 9th gen than Nintendo will probably have the more powerful console.

I'm going to be a bit gleeful if they totally desynchronize. What happens if the PS4 starts in 2014 and goes for eight years? If Nintendo stays with a normal six year cycle, that means that the Wii UV will start in 2018, the PS5 will start in 2022, and the WUV2 will start in 2024. MADNESS I TELL YOU

Than It won't really matter, if the Wii U 2 released in 2018 and the PS5 released in 2022 than the Wii U would have a 4 year head start and Sony would lose for sure because the Wii U 2 would have a much bigger fan base and devs would stick to it.

 

[EatChildren]

Much more reasonable discussion here as expected. Im not sure what launch games people want that arent buying it because of that sole purpose.

Arguments from both sides of the fence are pretty putrid in that thread.

 

[Meelow]

Dear god, the $300 Wii U thread. Dear god....

Yeah It's horrible "Lol the Wii U price is too much, when the PS4 and 720 come out they will destroy Wii U's power and be $350"

Those people will be disappointed in the end.

 

[Loghorn150]

If what happens?

If Sony goes bankrupt (or at least nearly) should they go with another bleeding edge model just to surpass Nintendo &/or Microsoft in graphics & power.

 

[10k]

Yeah It's horrible "Lol the Wii U price is too much, when the PS4 and 720 come out they will destroy Wii U's power and be $350"

Those people will be disappointed in the end.

Lol. They want:

1080p
60fps
High res textures
4xAA
16xAF
4GB of RAM
EDIT: also, a 1.5 TFlop GPU.
Which is reasonable. Oh, but they want it for $350.....smh.

If Sony goes bankrupt (or at least nearly) should they go with another bleeding edge model just to surpass Nintendo &/or Microsoft in graphics & power.

In my opinion, no. But based on the most recent hardware release (Vita), and target specs of the PS4, it's lookin like Sony is still going for a beast of a console and looking to sell it at a loss. It won't be as expensive as PS3 due to a more standard CPU and blu-ray being cheaper than it was in 2006 but it will still be at least $400.

And don't forget the vita is planned to lose money for 3 years. But at least Sony is making up the losses with overpriced memory cards and accessories and PSN games. I don't see where Sony will make up the losses from the PS4, it's not like it'll have memory card accessories and their software doesn't sell gangbusters.

So, I think Sony shouldn't make the PS4 a bleeding edge console but they will anyway because of fan expectations and their blind war with Microsoft.

 

[Meelow]

Lol. They want:

1080p
60fps
High res textures
4xAA
16xAF
4GB of RAM

Which is reasonable. Oh, but they want it for $350.....smh.

Yeah and those people also didn't see how many companies went out of business because of high cost, so imagine if Sony and Microsoft took another huge leap?, sometimes it seems like some Sony fans (not all) want Sony to go bankrupt because they want a huge leap.

When they see next gen those people will be sad they aren't getting that, even Epic said they where not impressed with the PS4 and 720's power lol.

 

[metalslimer]

It is interesting the people saying they want the Wii U to be priced the exact same as current gen consoles i.e. even less than the Vita.

Yeah and those people also didn't see how many companies went out of business because of high cost, so imagine if Sony and Microsoft took another huge leap?, sometimes it seems like some Sony fans (not all) want Sony to go bankrupt because they want a huge leap.

There's also the myth that a huge leap can't be achieved at a reasonable cost. The current consoles are archaic as hell. A 350-400 dollar console could produce a pretty drastic leap over the current gen.

 

[Loghorn150]

In my opinion, no. But based on the most recent hardware release (Vita), and target specs of the PS4, it's lookin like Sony is still going for a beast of a console and looking to sell it at a loss. It won't be as expensive as PS3 due to a more standard CPU and blu-ray being cheaper than it was in 2006 but it will still be at least $400.

And don't forget the vita is planned to lose money for 3 years. But at least Sony is making up the losses with overpriced memory cards and accessories and PSN games. I don't see where Sony will make up the losses from the PS4, it's not like it'll have memory card accessories and their software doesn't sell gangbusters.

So, I think Sony shouldn't make the PS4 a bleeding edge console but they will anyway because of fan expectations and their blind war with Microsoft.

Using such incredibly high powered GPU's & CPU's can easily make a system just as expensive. Heck, MS still took a loss off of each 360 sold until 2008, due to them using a medium-tier (?) GPU, as well as with the RROD situation that the GPU itself caused.

 

[AniHawk]

And don't forget the vita is planned to lose money for 3 years.

what evidence shows that sony has planned three years for the vita.

 

[10k]

what evidence shows that sony has planned three years for the vita.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110862-Sony-Will-Lose-Money-on-Vita-Hardware-Sales
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117718-Sony-Nixes-PS-Vita-Price-Cut-Rumors

 

[antonz]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110862-Sony-Will-Lose-Money-on-Vita-Hardware-Sales
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117718-Sony-Nixes-PS-Vita-Price-Cut-Rumors

He is joking that the Vita will be lucky to last 3 years

 

[Meelow]

what evidence shows that sony has planned three years for the vita.

 

[10k]

what evidence shows that sony has planned three years for the vita.

Found a couple more legit sources like Reuters Japan.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/article/topNews/idJPJAPAN-21584220110608

Edit: and...http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=37111044

 

[10k]

I'm curious though. If Microsoft and Sony decided they wanted their consoles to be profitable from day 1 like Nintendo, which console would sell the most? Would it come down to the online (Xbox hands down), exclusives (Nintendo or Sony) brand loyalty, reputation or long history (Nintendo)?

EDIT: I fail at jokes...time for bed lol. But the links are useful for ppl who don't know about sony's pricing model.

 

[Anth0ny]

I'm curious though. If Microsoft and Sony decided they wanted their consoles to be profitable from day 1 like Nintendo, which console would sell the most? Would it come down to the online (Xbox hands down), exclusives (Nintendo or Sony) brand loyalty, reputation or long history (Nintendo)?

Xbox has all of those things in North America at this point...

 

[10k]

Xbox has all of those things in North America at this point...

But not Japan or Asia for that matter. The big regions of gaming seem to be:

North America
Japan
Europe
The rest of Asia
Oceanic (Australia)

Xbox is dominant in NA but second or a distant third in the rest of the regions. Sony is big in Europe and Japan. Nintendo is well balanced in all regions but obviously bigger in Japan.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Found a couple more legit sources like Reuters Japan.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/article/topNews/idJPJAPAN-21584220110608

Edit: and...http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=37111044

*cough*

Profitability relies heavily on the ability to mass produce the hardware, lowering the prices of key components. That future is not so certain for Vita.

 

[10k]

*cough*

Profitability relies heavily on the ability to mass produce the hardware, lowering the prices of key components. That future is not so certain for Vita.

I've missed you

 

[Pineconn]

*cough*

You sound sick. The immune system needs adequate sleep, you know...

 

[Linkhero1]

We all should post what are NiN usernames will be.

To get away from the price blow out.

2231 8990 1251 8761

 

[japtor]

Well said. An actual Nintendo theme park could be potentially amazing on both a game and social level, but alas Nintendo Land is not it.

All I can think of are the kids with broken hands and concussions from trying to break bricks like Mario.

I'm going to be a bit gleeful if they totally desynchronize. What happens if the PS4 starts in 2014 and goes for eight years? If Nintendo stays with a normal six year cycle, that means that the Wii UV will start in 2018, the PS5 will start in 2022, and the WUV2 will start in 2024. MADNESS I TELL YOU

Obviously they should follow the rest of the industry and go 1-2 year cycles! (and standardized platforms)

 

[10k]

2231 8990 1251 8761

You stole my idea. I'm suing.

I think as a joke I should make my NiN username my wii friend code lol.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=40359066

 

[10k]

Damn you GAF. It Is 3am and I can't sleep nor can I play games right now. Entertain me as you did in the WUST'S with the likes of IdeaMan, AceBandage, HylianTom, bgassassin, snesfreak, Burntpork, and EatChildren discussing all the latest wii u news. The days of old where 5 posts a minute were common. Where six speculations threads and over 110, 000 posts were written about the Wii U.

 

[Ryoku]

My NiN username will be PS360>WiiU.

 

[10k]

My NiN username will be PS360>WiiU.

I raise you your username with my WiiU=Dreamcast

 

[Nibel]

Ubisoft-TV - Show 08/2012 (ZombiU, Assassin's Creed III, Splinter Cell Blacklist, ShootMania Storm)

 

[specialguy]

1080p
60fps
High res textures
4xAA
16xAF
4GB of RAM
EDIT: also, a 1.5 TFlop GPU.
Which is reasonable. Oh, but they want it for $350.....smh.

All that isnt unreasonable at all for $350. Probably what the Ps4 will look like.

1.5 TF GPU is on the lowest possible side of discrete PC GPU's.

Though, 60 FPS will always be a minority even when we have 100 teraflops...

 

[10k]

All that isnt unreasonable at all for $350. Probably what the Ps4 will look like.

1.5 TF GPU is on the lowest possible side of discrete PC GPU's.

Though, 60 FPS will always be a minority even when we have 100 teraflops...

I'd say 576 GFlops is on the lowest side of discrete GPU's. Also, why is 60fps a minority?

 

[Ryoku]

All that isnt unreasonable at all for $350. Probably what the Ps4 will look like.

1.5 TF GPU is on the lowest possible side of discrete PC GPU's.

Though, 60 FPS will always be a minority even when we have 100 teraflops...

With current-gen graphics. They'll aim for more eye-candy than raw image quality, which is also suggested by devs' comments about aiming for 720p@30fps for next gen.