Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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Oh wow, that's the bundle I picked up. Best value ever right there.
Even if Double Dash outside of Bob-omb Blast VS mode and the Double Karts wasn't that great. 
AceBandage
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Oh wow, that's the bundle I picked up. Best value ever right there.Even if Double Dash outside of Bob-omb Blast VS mode and the Double Karts wasn't that great.
No, the best value was the one I got.
Gamecube with Mario Sunshine, a Memory Card, a Carrying Case and a Free Wave Bird.
$99.
-Pyromaniac-
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I also think this for no other reason other than the fact that 399 is too high a mental barrier, especially for Nintendo, and 299 seems like too much of a loss considering what will be inside it.
Shin Johnpv
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I'm standing by 349.99 sold at a loss. I'm also going to stand by my statement that when all is said and done, these consoles are going to be a lot closer than most people are expecting. I'm still fully expecting a PS2/GC/Xbox style gen again.
That's what I said pages ago.
People wanting a 299 Wii U are just dreaming or in denial. The sweet spot this time is 349.
bgassassin
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Yeah. Also for me if we were to believe Nintendo would sell it for profit, then it'd most likely would be closer to $400, but the 3DS keeps that from happening. Some believe the 3DS is what would cause it to sell at $299. I think the 3DS situation keeps it from being around $400.
No way. I want a $299 console and I will drag all you down with me
Yep. I've said this since e3.
MadOdorMachine
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$299 is the max I think, but even then, they better have some pretty compelling software to show off. Sony and Microsoft will likely drop their price this year, so if Wii U is only capable of displaying games slightly better than PS3/360 it will be a tough sell about that price.
bgassassin
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As I was saying before, learning from the 3DS is most likely what will keep the console from being $400.
HanShotFirst
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Yeah I'm thinking $350 as well. Unless they don't have any compelling software which, in that case they would probably delay the system rather then release it at a lower price. I only see it being $300 if they releases two versions of the console with the cheaper one being $300 and the more expensive one being $350 or $400.
richman555
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True and I agree with the pricing. The 3DS and Vita have shown what happens when the price is too high. There are simply too many options between your PC, consoles, phones, and tablet devices.
What I think however Nintendo needs to do is show that the Wii U can do some new and interesting things that Xbox360 and PS3 cannot. They also need some exclusive titles. The graphics will be better, its just a matter of how much. Its really about these combinations of things.
If the perceived value and the price match up they will be fine.
HanShotFirst
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I agree with this. They need to not only show how gameplay will be different, but show how multimedia usage will be different.
shouamabane
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I've had nearly every Nintendo system since the NES. I loved that era of Nintendo the most. The plastic Gamecube emblem on the top of the system was easily replaceable if it got scratched. I guess Gamecube was also the last Nintendo system with current-gen graphics.
I said a few pages ago I think the WiiU box will have a smaller form factor.
Maybe the same size as the Wii.
Anyway, many here have been assuming that the IBM / Globalfoundries announcement regarding the 32nm chip production may have to do with the new Xbox.
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/36465.wss
I actually think there is a better case for WiiU. Everything about it sounds
like the original WiiU announcement:
The chips are based on Silicon-on-Insulator & IBMs eDRAM technology.
also
But the key is the following statement:
What did Reggie say about WiiU launch?
Ramping up, means that they will be increasing output.
If we look at the article, IBM states:
That means these chips are already in production at East Fishkill.
Whats being made there? PS3, Wii & WiiU.
Maybe the same size as the Wii.
Anyway, many here have been assuming that the IBM / Globalfoundries announcement regarding the 32nm chip production may have to do with the new Xbox.
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/36465.wss
I actually think there is a better case for WiiU. Everything about it sounds
like the original WiiU announcement:
The chips are based on Silicon-on-Insulator & IBMs eDRAM technology.
also
But the key is the following statement:
What did Reggie say about WiiU launch?
Ramping up, means that they will be increasing output.
If we look at the article, IBM states:
That means these chips are already in production at East Fishkill.
Whats being made there? PS3, Wii & WiiU.
Too late. The Wii U is already in production or will be very quickly. Final hardware has already been shipped to developers for several weeks. That means that the CPU is on 45nm, which is no surprise because IBM has told us that already a long time ago.
That press release does comply with what the Next Xbox rumour is saying however. Production capacity in the second half this year should be good for an early 2013 release of the next Xbox.
That press release does comply with what the Next Xbox rumour is saying however. Production capacity in the second half this year should be good for an early 2013 release of the next Xbox.
Nintendo and IBM confirmed that the CPU in the Wii U is being manufactured at 45nm in their own East Kishkill plant, and anyway late 2012 would be much too late to "ramp up production" for a component of a console that will be out by November at the latest. In fact they're probably already ramping up production on Wii U's CPUs. We might see 32nm Wii U CPUs in a revision somewhere down the line, but the one in the console at launch will be a 45nm chip.
Final dev hardware could simply be using 45nm could it not?
While the final console is made at 32nm.
Plus, why would the new xbox have production already started for a 2013 release?
ReyVGM
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By learned I hope they meant the "no games" issue and not the price. The 3DS sold 3.7 MILLION units at 250 bucks. Price was not the issue, it was the lack of games.
brain_stew
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Its not going to launch at $249, sorry to burst your bubble.
wut
ReyVGM
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"The company revealed it will drop the cost of the 3DS from $249.99 to $169.99 starting August 12.
According to Nintendo, 4.32 million 3DS handhelds have been sold worldwide since the device first launched in Japan in February. Of those, more than 830,000 were purchased in the U.S."
http://content.usatoday.com/communi.../2011/07/nintendo-drops-price-of-3ds-to-170/1
jump_button
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Yeah the colour just stops you from enjoying the games.... oh geez
I can't believe that there are people who think that MS would have their brand new expensive state of the art SOC's sitting in a warehouse for 2+ years rotting away and eating money. They'll cram that shit into boxes and start selling to recoup the costs as soon as they possibly can.
The same with Nintendo, they're not going to sit on their Wii U stockpile for long. They need to get rid of their shipments as fast as they possibly can. So stockpiling untill July seems doable, untill fall? Mighty expensive and as the 3DS stockpile showed not that effective either.
That could happen. But only if IBM was making 32nm chips now, not several months from now.
Initial production and launch stock take time to get right, so Nintendo and Microsoft need several months for it. That means Wii U production will get started now for a July release, or April at the latest for later releases, and Microsoft will start producing new XBoxes at the end of this year.
Hobbestetrician
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My friend and I played the 'Pushy Penguins' mini-game from the Mario Party demo on that disc until we could hardly see straight. Stuff like 'first to 200 wins' and we would go til 3 in the morning. I played my Cube a ton but that little game might be in the top 10 in terms of play-time.
And that was when we weren't playing Double Dash until we almost peed our pants.
Forsaken82
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And I say $299 sold at a bigger loss because after the 3DS fiasco and the fact that the 360 and PS3(and perhaps the original Wii when regarding the non gamers) will satiate the majority of console gamers till the Sony and MS successors come out I think Nintendo knows that it is time to take some big risks.
$299 is an attractive price for new tech and if I was Nintendo I would look at it from the Long term perspective. Cheap hardware, which will increase the user base, and Nintendo can make their money back from Software and likely a number of accessories. And then drop the price again when the new systems come out around a year later.
But more than likely I am way off and it will actually be sold for $399 for profit because Nintendo is still stupid.
The CPU will be 45nm, we know that, the GPU could be anything from 45nm to 28nm, IBM won't be producing that after all.
I had a bundle like that but it came with a Zelda disc as well.
Good times.
I love my purple little Cube, even if it is in the cupboard.
AceBandage
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That's true. My guess is it's made on 32nm by NEC or GlobalFoundries. 28nm would be a nice surprise, as it would be a bit of a gamble. Both NEC and GlobalFoundries might be up for it though.
45nm was announced, for what we saw at E3.
But what is stopping Nintendo for choosing 32nm?
AkimbO_Arcana
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We did the same thing, the same day. I remember thinking that graphics can't get any better
Yeah, that stuff was nice.
I wish someone had knocked some sense into F5 for RSIII though.
Those on foot ground missions, ugh...
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