Lord Ghirahim
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I'm not really familiar with the franchise, but that's supposed to be a system seller, right?
Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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I'm not really familiar with the franchise, but that's supposed to be a system seller, right?
IceDoesntHelp
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It could be.
I mean, all the kids will (maybe) want it. Nintendo is just hoping its an early system seller..but the problem is its on the 3DS too. I'm not sure kids will want to double dip.
ScepticMatt
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Maybe posted already, but couldn't find it yet.
Source: Nintendo Japan via Engadget
Nintendo Japan said:
Source: Nintendo Japan via Engadget
bgassassin
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LOL. Yeah you haven't gotten used to posting on GAF yet.
ScepticMatt
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yeah sorry, just found the Investor Meeting Thread.
I give up trying to post news ...
I give up trying to post news ...
That is brilliant.
Refreshment.01
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While i agree with you that Nintendo should offer clickable thumbsticks to match the competitors controllers, those 2 clicks for the CoD game can be substituted in many other ways. Gestures could do this. For CoD Activision could implement a controller styles where putting the Ucon paralel to the TV could activate iron sights for you to aim with the controller screen, for example. And since ducking in FPS are not as critical as say a fighting game a downward gesture could be implemented to make the character duck.
Those are 2 quick examples, you can map all of the CoD inputs to even a normal controller without the clicks if the dev is smart enough.
With the built in mic, you could just grunt to use the knife!
I'm confused. People are saying that the NFC could allow spyro 3ds game, but isn't that an AR functionality using the camera?
blu
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No, it's an IR feature requiring the 'portal' accessory.
FPS games shouldn't be an issue. It's a touch screen on the controller. Just map two buttons to the top right and left corners. Allow remapping of all the other buttons.
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Refreshment.01
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That would not be optimal. In a DS or Vita mapping quick access buttons to the touch screen works. In the WiiU being the TV the main focus of the user's vision mapping reflex depending actions to the touch screen would mean the user have to refocus between both screens.
IN any case even without needing to refocus because the dev is using the corners, stretching your fingers like a gymnast is not very comfortable, at least not as much as having say actions just a thumb push away like we have with depressible thumbsticks.
Sticks and screen are very close, and the touch buttons can be as big as the developers make them. No need to refocus or perform finger acrobatics. Perfectly fine for stuff like weapon switching and such.
Refreshment.01
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Not as close as you think even for decent sized hands (that's leaving kids outside). But constantly stretching your thumbs to run, duck or knifing like you do in a modern FPS wouldn't be that comfortable with touch screen buttons. In reality there are smart controller set ups a dev could implement to avoid using the screen or gestures.
But in reality it would be or it is a mistake on Nintendo's part if they dont include the thumbstick clicks because at this stage they have become a standard. It's a very good solution to give the user more input options without raising controller complexity.
As much as I hate click sticks, their utility is in creating additional inputs without removing the thumbs from the analogs. While I agree that the touch screen is a great way to provide additional input parallelism, even blind, it's not a solution for this problem.
Swing the WiiU pad for a knife swing, Flick left analog fast for a run.
OK, stupid idea, but... if Nintendo's done their homework they must have had feedback on whether or not clickable buttons are needed by devs. If it's not in the final release I'd expect third parties to have a proper alternative that works just as well in the case of titles like CoD that use them well.
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Refreshment.01
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Easy. Dpad and thumbsticks are a module. I.E., you would like to have the 4 face buttons above the thumbstick? You detach the module turn it 180 degrees and attach it again.
You are lefty and would like the Dpad to the right side? Detach both modules and swap them.
Finally sticks are the first thing that wares out, so having the option to swap them for fresh ones would be really useful. Since this will be an expensive controller due to the screen and features prolonging the usable life of it by having the option to change some of the things that could break down would be very convenient.
That's pretty clever. It'd give them some level of parity not just with the click stick feature, but with the analog face button feature they've always ignored.
They could get Sakaguchi/Mistwalker to work on it, he's obsessed with Legos.
Refreshment.01
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muu, the point is we have just watched how Nintendo threw a crazy vast amount of features to this controller and then they opt to suppress 2 small click inputs that devs and a lot of users have been a costumed to. What of this? Will costs suddenly be unbearable with those 2 clicks after all the crap they have put already in there? Seriously.
Yes, the low profile of the slide pads beg for something like this, even the thumbstick click could work more like real button and become more usable and work better. I don't know how they can oversight something like this.
MrGreencastle
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Damn... I didn't even consider this. I wonder how much these will be separately, if sold at all.
Prone... ON!!
That creates way more problems than it solves.
Kids would lose their modules. The plus is that nintendo could sell more replacements, but they already do that with selling whole new controllers anyway.
And it creates another point of failure, so customers may end up buying replacement sticks for controllers that went bad anyway. That's money that's not going towards buying more games, and the software brings in more money than hardware.
And the modules would come loose when kids switched them all the time.
The controllers would have to be bigger to allow the interface to the modules. The Wiiupad is already ginormous.
And it'd be uglier.
The advantage is that...left handed people would be able to put buttons on the other side?
Despite them being used to pushing buttons with their non-dominant hand since the NES?
This is not like kid icarus 3ds, where they'd be forced to use a stylus with the wrong hand. They'd just be using d-pads and buttons like everyone else.
Oh, so it's like Nintendogs.
RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN.. PRONE...RUN RUN RUN...PRONE! That'll surely work well.
MrGreencastle
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Hey, it works for Kinect Star Wars.
Not just the low profile - the angle is important. On a slide pad, pressure would always be applied straight downwards, whereas pressure depends on throw with regular sticks.
I'm not a fan of clicky sticks, I always get the impression the stick will break if I'm not extra careful, but I'd be down with this.
Map weapon switching to something else (like touch screen buttons) and put prone and knife there. Wii has even less buttons and I loved playing CoD on it. My knife was mapped to nunchuck waggle and it was extremely satisfying to stab people that way, for instance. Not to mention the Wiimote was approximately 500 million times more accurate and playable than dual sticks.
blu
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For MADD-capable ALUs (2 ops/clock peak), a possible setup could be 1000 SPUs (* 2 ops/clock * .5GHz = 1Tflop).
I'm predicting 600-700, probably like 640
but I'm just guessing based on what more educated people have said
The RV770LE with 640 SPUs would need to run at 782 MHz to get to 1 TFLOPS... The RV770Pro did it at 625 MHz though, because it had more shaders enabled - 800 of them.
I think it is more reasonable to expect a GPU that does slightly less than 1 TFLOPS, probably around 800 GFLOPS.
That doesn't work at all, if you map prone/knife to a different button then you'll need to take off your thumb off the stick, in a twitch game that'll be very annoying.
And what about the run button, where will that be mapped?
as already mentioned in this thread..... Its a analogue input, why do you need a button to run????
RV770Pro is a 55nm part, though. The Wii U GPU won't be.
Boss Doggie
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When's Lego Inception release
Have you ever played an fps on console in your entire life? The analog stick would be way to sensitive if you had both walking and sprinting on the analog stick.
I know, I know. An 800 SPU chip might be stretching it a bit though I think, even on processes smaller than 40nm.
To achieve 1 TFLOPS with 800 SPUs, assuming IBM's 32nm HKMG process? Maybe 60W.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
And yet, given the tight TDP nintendo have to work with, they'd prefer a wider setup over a faster one.
Because you don't navigate through narrow paths...
Edit: And which racing games use analog sticks to accelerate?
Dont think its been debunked since the source is an AMD Employee. Is it accurate is the question since apparently the Japanese were the ones who asked the question and we dont know what may have or may not have got lost in translation.
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