Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!

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Fourth Storm said:
I'm still holding to $299. And who knows, Reggie is probably combing these boards smiling and nodding to himself w/ everyone mentioning $350 as an acceptable price tag, so knock it off! haha Maybe for some systems it is, but this is a Nintendo console. As in, even if they are trying to widen their userbase to appeal more to core gamers, kids and casuals are still number one on their radar.

They'll release it at $299 without a pack-in or Wii Remote/nunchuck. Waste of money to include considering how many are already in people's homes. $299 will net you only the console and controller with hopefully some demos available on the eShop from day one. And they'll launch w/ Mario Mii and Wii U Sports as retail titles, which guarantee them enough profit to make up for the loss on hardware. Don't expect an HDMI cable either...
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$299 sounds like too much of a loss for Nintendo to take. $349 while at a loss, still, sounds much more likely considering the hardware inside this time around.
 
jonny_boi said:
This is my first post! :) Might as well make it on the one place that matters most!


I'm sooo excited for the Wii U, and I'm starved for more news! :P
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Welcome! Im excited too, it has such a tremendous potential and damn are my favorite franchises going to look amazing on this thing!
 
Ryoku said:
$299 sounds like too much of a loss for Nintendo to take. $349 while at a loss, still, sounds much more likely considering the hardware inside this time around.
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Nintendo as an history of being a brilliant company when it comes to engineering & manufacturing efficiency. With that in mind, I don't see the Wii U hardware sacrificing low cost for high power. If there's a reason why the system might be priced premium, it could be because of the controller.
 
$299 or $349. And probably a $50 price drop when the PS4 or NextBox comes out.

I've only really been paying minimal attention to these threads, but I don't expect Nintendo to rock my cock spec wise, and I still expect it to be without a spinning hard drive - especially with the inflated cost of hard drives currently.

$299 or $349 break even to push and maintain an early market presence. I expect it will be enough more powerful than the PS360, that when it receives multiplat games that share with them, it will have the version with the better framerate and/or resolution. I don't expect 3rd parties to take advantage of any great extra graphical capabilities unless the game is exclusive to the Wii U or it's PS4/NextBox/WiiU. In those cases, I expect that it's going to be a PS2/GC/XBOX situation capability wise, unless the PS4/Nextbox are *really* late.


EDIT: Has there been any solid information on what's going to be in the box other than Power ISA CPU and AMD GPU?
 
I wonder if Nintendo would be willing to try the Microsoft approach when it comes to pricing. As in, an attractive price for the console (taking a loss), and recuperating those losses through overpriced, proprietary bullshit. Harddrives, wifi and even online play.

Now, I'm 99.9999% sure Nintendo won't be charging for online play, or forcing you to pick up separate hardware in order to use wifi, but I think an (overpriced) proprietary harddrive that isn't included with the console could possibly happen. Think about how many Wii owners don't give a single fuck about things like harddrive space. How many people bought Wii just for Wii Sports, Just Dance or Wii Fit, and nothing more? Why jack up the price on the console when they could keep it at $250 or $299, without a harddrive. The hardcore gamers are suckers, and would buy a separate 120GB harddrive in an instant (I know I would).

Instead of banking off online subscriptions, they could put out a special GC controller that is required in order to play HD Gamecube classics, available on the eShop on launch day.

Or what about a $250 casual SKU, and a $350 pro SKU, with all the stuff I mentioned above included?

It certainly worked out for Microsoft in the end. I know Nintendo doesn't roll like that, but I think it would be interesting to say the least. Especially if it means the Wii U could be the PS2 of next gen (power-wise), and not the Wii of next gen.
 
Forsaken82 said:
I don't consider it to be not a legitimate reason. And again, Taking a loss in the beginning isn't necessarily a bad thing in the long term, and the long term could be significant depending on when the new systems actually do finally release. Risk is important, especially in such a competitive industry.

But yes I do agree, that perhaps it isn't necessarily the best business decision upon first thought. But like i said, it is entirely possible to recover the loss, especially given the potential long term benefits from next gen software and accessories sales. And besides, this is all conjecture anyways. No one knows how much this system will cost to sell or manufacture anyways. For all we know, they could sell it for $399 and still be selling at a loss.
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I don't have an issue with them taking a loss. It's the "bigger loss" idea I don't like. I don't like seeing any of the console makers putting themselves in the position of taking losses for at least two years. Licensing fees and accessories aren't covering those losses like they used to apparently. And you're right it could be around $400 for all we know. I'd believe that before $299 and under.

Fourth Storm said:
And who knows, Reggie is probably combing these boards smiling and nodding to himself w/ everyone mentioning $350 as an acceptable price tag, so knock it off! haha
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If Reggie is lurking, then he better make sure we get a USB 3.0 or eSATA port.

jonny_boi said:
This is my first post! :) Might as well make it on the one place that matters most!


I'm sooo excited for the Wii U, and I'm starved for more news! :P
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Welcome to the pain and suffering. :)

Vic said:
If there's a reason why the system might be priced premium, it could be because of the controller.
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That's why I don't see $300. The lowest I can see Wii U being is $329. But I expect $349.
 
Do USB 3 ports look identical to USB 2 ports? If so, there's no way Nintendo would potentially confuse the customer with that. If they aren't all 3.0, they'll all be 2.0.
 
Log4Girlz said:
Do USB 3 ports look identical to USB 2 ports? If so, there's no way Nintendo would potentially confuse the customer with that. If they aren't all 3.0, they'll all be 2.0.
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Yes, they can take USB 2.0 cables. They tend to be different colors than USB 2.0 cords to point out the difference (blue vs the usual).
 
Ryoku said:
Yes, they can take USB 2.0 cables. They tend to be different colors than USB 2.0 cords to point out the difference (blue vs the usual).
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From their vantage point, they don't want someone taking something that will operate better on USB 3.0 and plug it into 2.0 because they don't know any better. At least that's how I see it.
 
I'm going with a $350 price launch as well.

I think we'll get a pack in game,
1 tablet controller,
a hdmi cable included with the other cables,
Some type of coupon for a game or Nintendo Power magazine download from their app store(limited time only)
 
ultrazilla said:
I'm going with a $350 price launch as well.

I think we'll get a pack in game,
1 tablet controller,
a hdmi cable included with the other cables,
Some type of coupon for a game or Nintendo Power magazine download from their app store(limited time only)
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I like the way you think.
 
If it's not USB 3, it's simply not adequate. It's an inappropriate and unacceptable trade-off to stick with USB 2. eSATA isn't going to happen and isn't necessary if USB 3 is available. USB 3 is more than fast enough for console hard drive access.
 
Why is USB 3.0 necessary? Doesn't the PS3 use USB 2.0 harddrives the same way it uses the built in HD? Or am I mistaken?
 
guek said:
Why is USB 3.0 necessary? Doesn't the PS3 use USB 2.0 harddrives the same way it uses the built in HD? Or am I mistaken?
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The issue I've seen brought up in this thread is mainly being able to run DLC, full games or other content directly from the hard drive. The Wii U will (most likely) have a faster BD drive than the PS3 which means the HDD will need more bandwidth to match the BD speed than the PS3 needs.

I'm sure others will chip in here but that's my basic understanding.
 
TwinIonEngines said:
If it's not USB 3, it's simply not adequate. It's an inappropriate and unacceptable trade-off to stick with USB 2. eSATA isn't going to happen and isn't necessary if USB 3 is available. USB 3 is more than fast enough for console hard drive access.
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But USB3 isn't "available", eSATA is - the IO processor already has an SATA controller built in. I'd consider neither absolutely necessary, though.
 
we mentioned earlier that the WiiU will use all Wii's previous peripherals etc.
How much a longshot is that Nintendo will make 2 SKUs for the WiiU?
  • Upgrade pack/core pack
  • Standard Pack/premium pack

uprade pack is for wii owners. in the box there is only the upgraded parts. meaning, wiiu console itself, probably the new psu for the machine and the tablet (and the minigames we saw on E3/CES). everything else you already got it. No cables, no sensorbar, no wiimotes etc.
that way we may ugrade with 50-80$ less. I know Nintendo must "train" the retailersbut I think is worth it if they can advertise a 249-299 Next Gen upgrade

oh and standard pack is the sku we know it as today.
 
I think Nintendo is definetly going to have a unified network. It's good that they are supposedly giving developers more freedom then other services but I hope they regulate the service enough so that consumers aren't taken advantage of.
 
What kind of game should be in the pack-in. If you go too cutesy (like HD Nintendogs) you're going to alienate people. Should it be another Mii based game? Something more hardcore?
 
Log4Girlz said:
What kind of game should be in the pack-in. If you go too cutesy (like HD Nintendogs) you're going to alienate people. Should it be another Mii based game? Something more hardcore?
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Ideally something that appeals to both audiences - something light and easy to pick up, but a deep system behind it hardcore people can get into.

Something like Pokemon comes to mind.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Ideally something that appeals to both audiences - something light and easy to pick up, but a deep system behind it hardcore people can get into.

Something like Pokemon comes to mind.
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But hopefully NOT Pokemon.

Pokemon occupies this very strange reality where it's considered kiddy by the hardcore...despite the fact that its dedicated audience is made up of those same gamers. It's like secret shame, or something.

A Pokemon launch title won't do anything to paint the Wii U as a console for core gaming experiences, even if it would sell largely to that very audience. It's a really weird phenomenon, really...

In my opinion, a game with casual accessibility and core depth is ideally where a new Nintendo mascot IP would come in handy.
 
Log4Girlz said:
What kind of game should be in the pack-in. If you go too cutesy (like HD Nintendogs) you're going to alienate people. Should it be another Mii based game? Something more hardcore?
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Mii based game that shows off the controller.

Of course, the game that would hit all audiences is Mario, but they ain't giving us that for free.
 
royalan said:
But hopefully NOT Pokemon.

Pokemon occupies this very strange reality where it's considered kiddy by the hardcore...despite the fact that its dedicated audience is made up of those same gamers. It's like secret shame, or something.

A Pokemon launch title won't do anything to paint the Wii U as a console for core gaming experiences, even if it would sell largely to that very audience. It's a really weird phenomenon, really...

In my opinion, a game with casual accessibility and core depth is ideally where a new Nintendo mascot IP would come in handy.
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Obviously not Pokemon itself for the pack-in, I just meant something like it in terms of large accesibility, but deep mechanic.

The 5th Gens battle sim still hasn't been announced though. Would not surprise me at this point if it were coming to Wii U, even if it wasn't a launch title.
 
Predictions: release Oct Japan, 25000 yen without controller (use a 3DS as a controller if you want the map screen) same month a redesigned 3DS is released with dual analog. 39000 yen ver comes with tablet. Nintendo Network supported out of box, 'accomplishments' proper store front and online ID.

Wait wait, maybe I am typing wishful thinking :|
 
Kids don't even understand the mechanics in pokemon. Reading the pokemon black thread when the game came out blew my mind on multiple levels. PokeGAF is frightening at how in depth they go into it.
 
Gaspode_T said:
Predictions: release Oct Japan, 25000 yen without controller (use a 3DS as a controller if you want the map screen) same month a redesigned 3DS is released with dual analog. 39000 yen ver comes with tablet. Nintendo Network supported out of box, 'accomplishments' proper store front and online ID.

Wait wait, maybe I am typing wishful thinking :|
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Wishful thinking!? O.o

Do you actually believe the screen is a 'map screen'?
 
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