Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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IcyRhythms
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If anyone thinks that we're going to get current PC level capabilities with next gen consoles, you're going to be very disappointed once all three are available.
FreeMufasa
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I think Xbox 3 releasing asap will be the best situation for the WiiU. Seems like the biggest thing that can block it's way is the PS3/360, especially at their low prices. They need Sony/MS to kill them off. It's the only way I think they'll have a chance of obtaining that userbase. Get them during the early next gen scramble.
I agree, but in the case of MS there's no way that the 360 is getting killed off any time soon. Even though the hardware is past its prime, it's still exceptionally profitable. Even if the 720 were to launch today, expect MS to continue promoting the 360 for a few more years.
The only way Wii U is going to pull that audience away is by being noticeably more powerful, and by Nintendo agreesively using their head start to their advantage.
I think it depends on what MS plans on doing with the Kinect and its next generation. If they stray further into the casual audience or stay close to the core.
IcyRhythms
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I think we're already there with MS.
I guess where our difference of opinion really lies is in the presence and nature of this 'x factor'. I think that nearly all aspects of the market's behavior can be explained without resorting to this 'unknown'. For example, the attitude you describe in the last sentence is a clear result of pre-launch investment in PS software development projects. If PS3 didn't succeed, the bets they'd already placed wouldn't pay off.
I'm certainly not going to praise the third party treatment of the Wii and its audience, because when they did decide that the Wii was worth betting on, they made some really bad decisions about how to bet on it, managing to significantly alienate the audience in the process. Not to shit on shooting gallery games, but by teaching the enthusiast audience that that's all that Wii's asymmetric control advantage is good for, they squandered a lot of its potential. Of course, Nintendo missed many opportunities in this area as well, so there's that.
Sony managed to price-correct before the attitudes of pre-launch investment evaporated entirely, providing it with enough users to fully participate in the dominant mid and late-gen development and publishing strategy. Wii's late-gen slump didn't need to be as bad as it was, and Nintendo and third parties can both be blamed for this, but it was always an inevitability that 360 and PS3 would end the generation as a superior platform for games designed primarily for a dual-analog control scheme.
One other thing to consider is that while third parties are relatively hungry for a hardware refresh, Microsoft and especially Sony are hungry for another fiscal year where their console business is in the black. Neither of them are providing the kind of evangelism that existed in '04-'05, so third party publishers are left making a much more diffuse and platform-agnostic bet on the next generation. While they have little pre-launch incentive to heavily support the U, they've got no reason to leave it out in the cold unless Nintendo gives them one.
UncleSporky
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I disagree. Any time that the WiiU has for itself as the most technologically capable console on the market will be valuable for them, if they can use that time wisely. Any ports they can get where their version is considered the best will be a boon. Of course they'll benefit from comparison to a higher priced console, but before then, being the only game in town?
And PS360 will be around for ages at their low prices, if MS and Sony have anything to say about it.
ReyVGM
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[Nintex];34511348 said:
On a SD TV, there really wasn't that much visual difference between a Gamecube game and a Xbox360 game. I remember seeing Gears of War back then, it looked prettier since it had more polygons, but that was it.
Now, when I saw Gears of War on a HDTV, my jaw dropped. Now THAT looked next gen.
ShockingAlberto
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This doesn't mean the logo was ready or they were ready to start putting it on boxes or using the logo internationally.
It just means they had a name.
Rule #1 of Marketing: Don't use your brand prematurely without properly establishing it. If it were JUST a re-brand, they failed miserably at Rule #1. And if you consider this to be incorrect, consider for the moment that if this marketing rule were followed, we wouldn't even be HAVING this discussion, would we?
Have you SEEN the logo? I'm pretty sure they banged that out 5 minutes after the name was decided. C'mon, try again.
And you still have yet to address that it's change for the sake of nothing, if your point were to be valid.
Even while this is true, I still think Nintendo has a lot to gain from MS launching close them.
1) It makes it incredibly less likely that the 720 will feature hardware that severely outclasses the WiiU. In fact, in makes it very likely that, even if the 720 has better hardware (which it will), the Wii U and NextBox will at least still be in the same visual tier.
2) Launching close to Nintendo means they're launching ahead of Sony. This, coupled with the speculation that MS will be launching a more conservative console that doesn't go for bleeding edge power means that the "HD Twins" narrative is officially killed dead. This will effectively leave Sony in the black sheep position the Wii was in this gen, and work wonders for the Wii U's brand perception.
lordfroakie
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Second thought, we might get a lot of interesting news tomorrow. Forgot Nintendo showed off 3DS features, while announcing games for US/JP.
StreetsAhead
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At the investors's meeting? Really?
Only exists in the Pal versions!
lordfroakie
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Death Prophet
Yeah, Wii U was announced because they basically had to right? That was after all the rumors and leaks.
Probably just Nintendo Network. They wouldn't want to give too much away too early.Never know what will be announce
3DS DLC and the eShop web integration were announced at the October 2011 shareholder meeting. Pandora's Tower at the January 2011 shareholder meeting and Last Story at the January 2010 shareholder meeting.
Dreamwriter
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So basically, little inconsequential things.
Which means they might have to talk more in depth about Wii U soon as well, as a lot of Nintendo's partners have their annual shareholder meetings soon and will want or have to talk about their Wii U plans or involvement in their 2012 outlook.
Cow Mengde
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From now on, all tech specs should be measured using this fashion.
And guesses on how many Gamecubes duct taped together for PS4 and 720?
AceBandage
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I'd also like it if the word "Gamecube" replaces the term "blocks." It just makes sense.
One Gamecube is one Megabit? :O
When it comes to graphical power I don't find second place to be competitive... It's first place or nothing.
1st gen: Magnavox Odyssey
2nd gen: ColecoVision
3rd gen: Sega Master System
4th gen: Neo-Geo AES
5th gen: Nintendo 64
6th gen: XBox
7th gen: PS3
Still... Gamecube is my favorite console of all time.
I just meant going on by "shapes."
Speaking of storage, Nintendo should stray away from blocks and use [Mega]Bytes. I have to keep searching google how much exact memory I have left on my SD card.
Cow Mengde
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I don't even know wtf is going on in DBZ. This is a gaming forum, so everyone knows what a gamecube is at least. Besides, people keep shifting the power levels all over the place. If we say it's 400 Gamecubes Duct Taped Together, no one can argue if it's really Super Saiyan 2 or ascended super saiyan.
The acronym will be GDTT
The Wii is 2 GDTT.
AceBandage
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Did I stop watching DBZ too early? I don't remember this at all.Wii U:
I assume it's the U-ltimate form, just like the Wii-U.
AceBandage
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Of course we're still going with DBZ comparisons!
So the final dev kits are a bit more powerful than anticipated, right? They got a slight but noticeable boost somewhere. Kind of like when Vegeta went Maijin? Too bad the 720 is probably holding back and letting the Wii U get some good punches in before completely obliterating it (fat buu) and causing nintendo to go 3rd party (self destruct). The real contest will begin once Sony appears and shows us the true power of the playstation 4 (ssj3 goku).
Cow Mengde
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Gamecube:
Wii:
Wii U:
And what system would be Trunks when he gets super bulky and stuff?
So much failure on that list that it's astounding that you hold such a position. And even the 1 or 2 good ones on that list still sold like total and utter shit.
AceBandage
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Speaking of this, after pioneering the DBZ to console comparison metric on GAF, I'm somewhat tempted to start using different sets of Tenchi characters to represent reactions to news on the next gen trio. Only problem is, that's too anime for even me to do regularly. :lol
Also EWW GT.
So I'm wrong (when it comes to performance)?
1st gen: Magnavox Odyssey
2nd gen: ColecoVision
3rd gen: Sega Master System
4th gen: Neo-Geo AES
5th gen: Nintendo 64
6th gen: XBox
7th gen: PS3
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Death Prophet
How can only one console be competitive? Let's face it. You were wrong.
Just ignore the foolishness, much like his alt Luckyman he won't stop posting the same non-sense.
Nextbox will be considerably more powerful than WiiU, whenever they launch.
StreetsAhead
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Did we know that Monolith Soft set up a new studio in Kyoto last October?
Was just fishing around their website and that was news to me.
Also, the Tokyo Office is the one with the Wii U project running, currently (? dunno when last updated) looking to urgently recruit programmers, planners, 3DCG designers, and 2D designers.
Was just fishing around their website and that was news to me.
Also, the Tokyo Office is the one with the Wii U project running, currently (? dunno when last updated) looking to urgently recruit programmers, planners, 3DCG designers, and 2D designers.
bgassassin
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I normally try to avoid these debates when posted in threads dealing with the other consoles, but since you posted that here I'd like to hear your reasoning.
Well, this gen it was pretty much neck and neck with 360 and PS3.
AceBandage
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Yeah, we had heard that.
They likely have a Wii U and a 3DS game going right now.
Because as far as we know, WiiU will be nothing but upgrade of current gen consoles. Say, 1gb of ram, 4xxx series GPU and quad core cpu. No doubt MS can pull out something with at least 2x more performance. It won't be like this gen, but there should be noticable differences.
Nothing that they showed at E3(Zelda demo?) was particularly impressive, and reading B3D it seemed like nothing had any AA.
AceBandage
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Sigh...
I was blown away by that Zelda demo...I can't be the only one.
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