Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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True. I don't think having a set of biases is necessarily a bad thing. People have preferences! It's how the world works. The problem arises though when people believe that they're being objective, as if their biases are empirically demonstrable.
For me, the price ceiling is probably $399. But it's outlandish to think for second nintendo would launch a console for more than that. $399 is really pushing it to the limit. I think they'll settle for somewhere between $300 and $350 and even that'll make them extremely uncomfortable.
woo and indeed hoo
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Now, now Junior we don't call crazy people crazy, remember? We call them 'special'.
Boo! You spoiled my 'joke'
.Legal Disclaimer: I do not regard that individual to be crazy. I do however think he has an agenda.
I would rather they re-made it in its original form but with new, gorgeous graphics.
That too. Loved the Four Sword Cube game even as someone who played it purely single player.
Be prepared to get plenty of duplicates of pieces you already have then!
There you go!
*puts on ignore* :x
Not really.
Welcome to our species!
Oh and welcome back
.I expect to be a day one adopter unless Nintendo really screws up something e.g. the online run solely by EA but it's too early to make any firm decisions yet.
JaseMath
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If I remember right, the cost to manufacture Wii at launch was significantly lower than the $250 they were selling it at; it was around $175 I think. Vita is only around $160. I don't think its unreasonable to believe that Nintendo would charge less overhead if they want to be truly competitive.
JoshuaJSlone
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And $100 more than N64 and GameCube were.ClovingSteam said:
Forsaken82
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because the 299.99 360 sku was so underpowered right? I guess if you look at the lack of HDD as underpowered, you might have a point...
That was what 7 years ago?
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Rösti
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This is what I got from Jerald:
It seems we have to wait even further. And by the 20th of February, Nintendo perhaps has fixed the trademark issues.
Oh, don't get me wrong; I wasn't defending these people. I don't like how close-minded many tend to be.
This is almost a good question because it throws out a lot of that 3x vs 5x, Unreal 4, 3rd parties, and other future proofing nonsense being talked about in this thread to really get down to what people actually want play on the console.
Unfortunately, I don't have an answer to it. I don't think there's anything Nintendo could do that's really in the realm of possibility that would make me get it the first year. I don't think Nintendo could produce anything with that much of a draw this year.
bgassassin
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guek. No more talking about how buttholes can't read ok? We know that part of the body doesn't have eyes so that's was obvious.
BOMs only make up a part of the equation.
BOMs only make up a part of the equation.
woo and indeed hoo
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That was refuted by Nintendo. In fact, Reggie was directly asked about this in an interview. It was put to him that Nintendo was making a $50 profit on each Wii sale. He stated that it was significantly less than that.
These 'this list of parts costs x so console price should cost x' arguments are stupid because they don't factor in the high cost of R&D. More importantly however, the cost of any consumer device is not contingent purely on the cost of materials it took to make said product. The ideal is for the product to cost what is is worth to the consumer. If it costs more than what the consumer wishes to spend then sales will not be as hoped. If it costs less than the consumer is wishing to spend then demand will outstrip supply, as happened with the Wii for the longest time and which invariably happens whenever Apple launches the latest iteration in its iPhone series etc. The manufacturer has to weight up a whole host of factors, including the number of units they will have available at launch and when they will be able to ramp up production etc, to consider. However, the bottom line is that the price the product at a price they think the consumer will bite at, not at 'the parts cost x so the price is x'. [/rant]
Not a rant at you sir, it's just that that reasoning bugs the hell out of me.
I agree with you however in that Nintendo may choose to be more aggressive in their pricing at launch than they usually are. Iwata has already foreshadowed this in his statements to Investers; even suggesting that they might make a loss on each unit at launch.
Although there have been cases where people who have been blinded have learnt to 'see' with another part of their body...
Harumph!
Here sucks too. Exchange rate would dictate NZ$420 if it was US$349, but if the past is anything to go buy, we'll have to pay NZ$700 (Double US dollar for dollar) which is about US$583. And of course add in the games which are the equivalent of about US$91.
The term "bend over and hold your ankles" comes to mind.
bgassassin
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It is kind of amazing that people have trained themselves to talk and type from that part though.
In time you learn to say things with fewer words.
woo and indeed hoo
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I was chatting to an XBox 360 owner about the infamous RROD issue [prior to the extended warranty to 'fix' this aspect] some years ago. I asked him what he'd do if he had this problem. He said he'd just buy another one. Funnily enough that was just the phrase and imagery that immediately popped into my head when he said that. Of course I was far too much of a gentleman to say that to him :halo:.
I think for some people it just comes naturally. It's a gift!
Cerebral Assassin
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Aren't US prices subject to sales tax? If so that would explain some of the difference(along with additional shipping costs etc.).
$8 per Wii, from what I recall.
bgassassin
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An analyst estimated $6 operating profit.
Day 1 here. I suppose Nintendo could do something absurd and make me reconsider, but I also think that my desire for a next-gen machine (and HD Nintendo) will allow me to rationalize away any doubts. =)
This is assuming, of course, I can talk the wife into it. Already dropping hints.
This is assuming, of course, I can talk the wife into it. Already dropping hints.
I'll probably buy it at launch thinking this would reinvigorate my love for consoles due to a gimmicky controller (ala 2006, dam you unrealistic wiimote hype trailers, with people jumping around the room and 1:1 motion implied). I'll buy a few nintendo launch games, not support third parties and then go back to lurking on gaf rather than playing games. Speaking about the industry and enjoying the hype trains is more fun than actually playing games now.
The closest Nintendo has come to making me not buy a console at launch was with 3DS. High price, garbage ass launch titles, nothing worthwhile until November. I still picked it up, but it was gathering dust until OOT was released.
Nintendo says they've learned from their 3DS mistakes. So I expect a Mario title at Wii U launch. That alone would make me feel good about my day 1 buy.
Nintendo says they've learned from their 3DS mistakes. So I expect a Mario title at Wii U launch. That alone would make me feel good about my day 1 buy.
Fourth Storm
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My immediate purchase is still contingent upon the price ($350 or lower) and the launch software. I need new experiences. I was completely sold on the 3DS after E3 2010, but when launch came, I just could not justify the expense when I had better games still lying around unbeaten for my DS. They need to "wow" me with Wii U.
Grampa Simpson
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Grampa Simpson
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"Wii U" being too generic (or something) and initially rejected by the trademark office.
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Rösti
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You can read the initial post about this matter here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34813244&postcount=667
AceBandage
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Not a surprised.
I mean, they basically announced it at E3.
I mean, they basically announced it at E3.
One of the benefits of newer parts is more cost-effective manufacturing, which translates into new components not costing more to make, and in some cases being CHEAPER than older components.
This is why Wii wasn't dirt-cheap to make the way some would have assumed (not even factoring in R&D). Despite it being based off of accelerated GameCube tech, getting the CPU and GPU at a higher MHz clock rate REQUIRED them to go to a 90nm process as opposed to the 180nm process used in GameCube, as Gecko and Flipper's tech would have been MORE expensive to make in the 180nm process at the requested clock rate for Wii's processor.
So seriously, measuring performance by cost is a fool's game, especially when talking about price comparisons from tech that's got 6 years of age on it. Just saying.
I wonder how many people are going to continue to say that Nintendo won't get 3rd-party support in spite of this?
snowdog1971
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After my throughly enjoyable experience with the Wii, which has been the first Nintendo console I've ever owned, I'm getting it as soon as I can afford it. The Wii has been a breath of fresh air for me at a time when gaming had started to become a little stale. It offered something different and imo (and I'm in the tiny minority I know!) the third party exclusives have been top notch. The Trauma franchise, Zack and Wiki, Resident Evil Chronicles franchise, Fatal Frame IV, House of The Dead Overkill, Dead Space Extraction, De Blob, Muramasa, Manhunt 2 (Uncut), Deadly Creatures, the Rabbids franchise and Madworld have all been stunning imo.
And there have also been several multiplatform titles that have been superior on the Wii - Guitar Hero, Godfather, Tiger Woods and, most importantly for me, Pro Evo. After playing Pro Evo on the Wii playing any other football game on any other platform with any other control scheme is a HUUUUGE step backwards.
I'm hoping for more third party exclusives for the U that make good use of the new controller, continue to make good use of the remote and nunchuck (I'm looking at you, FPS and TPS games!) and I'm also itching to see developers and publishers opting to be adventurous enough to implement hybrid controls. The U controller is big enough to sit on your lap or on a table whilst you use the remote and nunchuck and you can quite easily use the touchscreen with your hand that's using the nunchuck as long as there isn't a function in-game that is triggered by a shake of the nunchuck.
I wasn't too keen on the idea of having a touchscreen on the controller but it's really growing on me now. I'm going to be all over the inevitable Fallout 4 giving me a Pip-Boy in the palm of my hands as well as having a Camera Obscura for Fatal Frame V.
Sorry for the long read lol.
Tldr; Yes, I'm getting one as soon as possible and there are no dealbreakers that I can see ;oD
ubisoft doesn't count
AceBandage
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Cerebral Assassin
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Don't forget a (hopefully) easy to annotate map on there too.
Isn't that the VC release from a couple of weeks ago?
Posts like these make me very sad that third party efforts on the Wii Remote + Nunchuck will basically be abandoned next gen. *cracks open Godfather: Blackhand Edition copy again and weeps for stubborn gamers*
First of: Fucking great post you made there!
but that part caught me offguard. I hope u took some good use of the virtual console!
again: lovely post!
Yeah! New exception list time! Hopefully every company is on the list this time around. :lol
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