Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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Smiles and Cries
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I think the problem is we hype ourselves so much that none of these conferences ever match our expectations
the best stuff are the megatons that drop when we least expect them those have been more fun than any E3 stuff IMO
still I want to see PS4/720 on that monday just to get that damn WiiU is less than shit out of the way and out of our mind
the best stuff are the megatons that drop when we least expect them those have been more fun than any E3 stuff IMO
still I want to see PS4/720 on that monday just to get that damn WiiU is less than shit out of the way and out of our mind
Are all of these developers just a bunch of "haters" ?
Icon Games:
Gordon Midwood, developer of rhythm game Lilt Line and founder of one-man game company Different Cloth, has revealed disappointing sales figures for both the iOS version and the WiiWare version of his game.
Midwood posted iPhone sales totaling 3,815 since the game's launch in May 2009. The game won the Audio Achievement Award at IGF Mobile 2010.
The WiiWare version, developed by Gaijin Games, has sold just 3,756 copies since its release in December 2010 in the U.S. Midwood noted that "if we don’t get past a threshold around twice that in America, Nintendo will never pay us anything."
Martin Hollis, founder of Zoonami has accused Nintendo of inadequately promoting the WiiWare service:
JV Games
Nnooo! Games
It's a sentiment shared by Nic Watt, of Aussie studio Nnooo! Games (Pop).
London-based Icon Games has revealed that Nintendo has asked them to promptly remove WiiWare sales data that the developer posted on its own blog. Icon Games had listed the sales figures for all the formats it develops for but was told by Nintendo to remove digital Wii transactions.
Icon Games:
Gordon Midwood, developer of rhythm game Lilt Line and founder of one-man game company Different Cloth, has revealed disappointing sales figures for both the iOS version and the WiiWare version of his game.
Midwood posted iPhone sales totaling 3,815 since the game's launch in May 2009. The game won the Audio Achievement Award at IGF Mobile 2010.
The WiiWare version, developed by Gaijin Games, has sold just 3,756 copies since its release in December 2010 in the U.S. Midwood noted that "if we don’t get past a threshold around twice that in America, Nintendo will never pay us anything."
Martin Hollis, founder of Zoonami has accused Nintendo of inadequately promoting the WiiWare service:
JV Games
Nnooo! Games
It's a sentiment shared by Nic Watt, of Aussie studio Nnooo! Games (Pop).
London-based Icon Games has revealed that Nintendo has asked them to promptly remove WiiWare sales data that the developer posted on its own blog. Icon Games had listed the sales figures for all the formats it develops for but was told by Nintendo to remove digital Wii transactions.
Did anybody say Nintendo did a great job with WiiWare? I think the criticism his came from his puerile comments about the Wii being a toy and hating on phantom issues like the size limit and sales threshold, both of which are resolved. This has little to do with fanboys and more to do with him acting like a knob on twitter.
Meanwhile one could counter with all the praise being put upon the 3DS eshop, which HEY, resolves many of the issues WiiWare had.
It also doesn't help that some of these developers found disappointment everywhere, not just on Wiiware. In the case of a few, they seemed like they tried to turn the internet into their own personal army in order to browbeat another company into negating the terms of their contract as consented by both parties. which is pretty grubby if you ask me. You think it could be that their games just weren't compelling?
Father_Brain
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I hope Li Mu Bai is actually right about Durango being in a reverse-Wii position, with Wii U and Orbis being more directly comparable in terms of performance. It'll make the next console war all the more entertaining to watch.
I think thats a fair criticism. Many gamers didn't treat it like a serious gaming console other than Nintendo fans like you and me.
How do developers make money on something where most of the consumers bought it just for Wii Sports and nothing else.
Hot Coldman
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Microsoft's 2009 conference was the shit. Let's see, there was the MW2 demo, the MGS Rising tease (lol), the super-unconvincing-but-still-entertaining-as-fuck Natal reveal, L4D2, Crackdown 2, Shadow Complex, the motherfucking Beatles, FFXIII (back before we knew the truth), Splinter Cell Conviction, Forza 3, Halo 3 ODST and the Reach reveal... oh, and Peter Molyneux losing his fucking mind live to the world with Milo. It was one of the mostly thoroughly entertaining conferences in recent memory, and you can tell Nintendo took some tips from it when they returned the year after.
DaSorcerer7
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Nop, we are talking about nintendo here
No, not you too!!!
I didn't realize Wii Sports was the only successful Wii title. Learn something new every day.
Smiles and Cries
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how does one source know so much about all 3 consoles?
Find out why consumers bought Wii Sports.....
Fun game, easy to controller, pick up and play etc.
The develop a game based round that. Doesn't have to be a sports game, obviously, but have the same features that sold Wii Sports to those people in the first place.
apparently you've been drinking booze since then too
I always thought that was 2008. My mistake.
But I have no expectations
No seriously, I don't.
Disorientator
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I understand, but at least in my case I'm just annoyed that a grown man is acting like a child. It has nothing to do with Nintendo. It's just so immature and unprofessional. Holding a grudge like this is just dumb.
These links don't work in secondapps.
Edit: I guess I overestimated the speed of this thread. :/
Smiles and Cries
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that looks more like Nintendo traditional codes than manufactures initials
who is Wiesemann & Theis?
I thought it was a good improvement over E3 2007, which was awful. At least we actually got new stuff in E3 2008. E3 2007 came and went with what might have been literally nothing new other than Mario Kart, which we were all expecting.
Not enough to sell tonz of MDK U.
Disorientator
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These links don't work in secondapps.
They don't seem to be working -anymore- here as well. (desktop)
W&T is a German company manufacturing RFID development kits. It's true that WUT could also be the official final product code, succeeding CAT from earlier kits. Product codes used for Wii U parts so far are CAT, DK, MIC, WIN and now (seemingly) WUT.
These links don't work in secondapps.
Edit: I guess I overestimated the speed of this thread. :/
He says Durango>Orbis>WiiU>PS360
DaSorcerer7
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These links don't work in secondapps.
Edit: I guess I overestimated the speed of this thread. :/
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Originally Posted by Acert93
What is your source for these things? You would know the exact SDK version (v.2.03), what the most up to date dev kit model is (v5), know that all the most popular middleware is running optimally with no disabled features on the WiiU dev kits, etc so I assume you either work with the dev kits yourself, know someone who does and is freely passing you info, or are culling this from the net in which case your tone about what rumors are valid and which ones are not doesn't make any sense. Since you seem absolutely confident in what the WiiU has inside maybe you could give more specifics about the CPU and GPU. I mean, if you can tell us the exact SDK version # surely some data on the current hardware wouldn't be hard to come by?
Li Mu Bai said:
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I get impression we are being duped into thinking this is a really weak console..when in fact its going to be at least 50-100% more powerfull.
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Smiles and Cries
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I wonder what these kits look like now, you must see a lot of paper wsippel keep digging
GameplayWhore
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The Two Guys are kind of up there with Sid Meier and Miyamoto in the nostalgia section of my brain.
Also, this is the best news that IdeaMan has ever posted in this thread.
fabricated backlash
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No they aren't, but they knew the contracts beforehand, so they are the ones responsible for putting their effort into the service. They are right to criticize Nintendo about their horrendous handling of the service. As do people here in this thread. We're not defending Nintendos complete incompetence when it comes to their handling of Wiiware as a viable business channel. In Fact, WiiWare might be the biggest flop Nintendo produced since the Virtual Boy.
Having a sales threshold to pass before getting paid should raise some huge red flags, especially for small developers hoping to establish themselves by having a couple of titles with reasonable sales. Wiiware was a weird business proposition fromt the start. It tried to aim for games which sell upward of 20.000 copies but also have a 40MB limit so you can't really do much with your games unless you have some crazy wizard like engineers. Pricing is also beyond your control.
A lot of the aftermath quotes make it very clear that developers went into the service hoping for a viable market, but made bad business decisions and now it's like an ugly divorce.
I don't blame developers for disdain against Nintendo, especially if they worked for WiiWare, but they all knew the contracts, they all knew the risks. Putting the blame squarely on one part is petty to say the least.
And even more so if you chose to vent your dissapointement like some 12 year old console fanboy. A toy and not a real console... I'd expect this kind of inane talk from a child.
GameplayWhore
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Back from sleep (and with a car whose radiator must now be manually filled instead of being auto-fed from a reservoir!). I see that we tried to generate a repeat of WEStastrophe while I was dozing, but I guess I'm glad people kept their cool and didn't start spamming that pic all over the place before verifying that it was false.
For me, it was the mention of the word "gimmick" that pretty much made it obviously untrue. There are some good ideas, and frankly it wouldn't be a terrible idea to email/tweet/stuff-in-bottle-and-throw/etc that pic to actual Nintendo people. Worst case scenario, they get a laff. Best case, they go "Oh, hey, some of this is silly but that page has some pretty clever ideas we might be able to implement for the first or second System Updates for the Wii U".
For me, it was the mention of the word "gimmick" that pretty much made it obviously untrue. There are some good ideas, and frankly it wouldn't be a terrible idea to email/tweet/stuff-in-bottle-and-throw/etc that pic to actual Nintendo people. Worst case scenario, they get a laff. Best case, they go "Oh, hey, some of this is silly but that page has some pretty clever ideas we might be able to implement for the first or second System Updates for the Wii U".
Yeah. Devs should be upset with how Wiiware went down. However, that shouldn't blind people to the future. I heard the eShop is a much better place and has as lot of potential. Not to mention it doesn't have that silly 40MB limit. The Wii U shop should be even better. It would be in their best interest to get in on the ground floor of that service assuming Nintendo was showing an actual willingness to listen and respond to concerns.
However, people shouldn't assume that just because these guys are developers they aren't prone to crazy talk and ignorance.
However, people shouldn't assume that just because these guys are developers they aren't prone to crazy talk and ignorance.
GameplayWhore
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Pfff, give some of us credit. A whole bunch of us here were all "Hey, we should try to figure out what the specific beef is before lambasting that dev guy". It wasn't all crazy one-sided against him, at least after the initial knee-jerk reaction period had ended (and even then, there were cool heads abound).
Maybe they're aping Nintendo's "One year good, two years bad" cycle.
fabricated backlash
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Colors3D alone would've never been able to release on WiiWare. The user generated content, the online capabilities all that are simply leagues ahead of anything released on WiiWare in terms of integration and convenience.
It bodes well for the service, and Nintendo is pushing it a lot more (one could say at all, as they didn't even mention Wiiware after the initial announcement)
GameplayWhore
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Fortunately, it's only 54 pages, so your disbelief is warranted.
At this point, to feel like a true Megaton Nintendo would have to actually say "Thank you and good night" then dim the lights, then wait about a minute, then bring the lights back up and go "Just kidding, here's our trailer for 'Master Chief vs. Kratos', exclusive to the Wii U console".
I vividly remember how laughably awful MS's E3 2008 was (it was the Scene It? flavoured conference), it's just virtually everyone else seems to forget it because it was subsequently blown out the water by Nintendo the next day.
phisheep
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More importantly, why do developers amongst others pretend to themselves that customers did just buy the Wii for Wiii Sports and (nearly) nothing else?
This is an old argument that we've been over time and time again, we've done the figures, both joshuajsloane and myself independently for the first three years - and the rate of purchase of games per console (which is a better measure of purchasing than the so-called 'attach rate' because it discounts the varying release dates) was near-as-dammit identical for all three consoles.
That bolded sentence is a myth. An excuse. A lie.
GameplayWhore
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The problem that N-GAF (and others) have with the criticism that Wii is a "toy" is that ALL VIDEO GAME SYSTEMS ARE TOYS.
One you start treating a console as something other than a box that you have fun with or make fun things on, then you've lost your gaming soul.
For years and years, (perhaps until around when development pretty much stopped cold turkey last year) the Wii had a software to hardware ratio that was better than that of the Playstation 3, even if you don't count Wii Sports. Both were, at points, within spitting distance of the Xbox 360, which enjoyed an unusually high ratio.
So it was definitely not "nothing else" that consumers bought.
Ooh, the calculation of the average number of weeks between gaming purchases. That was actually a pretty cool bit of mathery that demystified some of the Sales-age world for a time.
This. And also, even if it wasn't a myth, it is far from professional drawing such a comparison as a developer since the only reason to draw that comparison is to kick down Wii in favour of other consoles that are apparently something more than just "toys".
If Communities were OS-level rather than game level, and purchases could be tied to your Club Nintendo account, the 3DS would be pretty close to ideal in terms of online functionality. (The lack of communities in Kid Icarus is killing me.) I don't mind the lack of achievements so much.
What happens if you change out 'Wii Sports' with '1st Party titles'?
Not a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious. I'd be shocked if the Wii created the kind of 3rd party revenue that the 360 does / did.
GameplayWhore
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Then there's more of a case to be made, and people like me have to resort to the excuse pile.
edit: Ah, wow, it was right at the top of the pile! To wit, "There were almost no substantial third party efforts of the sort that 'traditional' gamers were looking for, so the ratio of third party to first party titles was lower than on other systems. After all, why would you buy a crappy game that isn't advertised or a feature-starved port of a game on another system when you can purchase a game that was spammed on every television station and has obviously high production values and polish? Anyway, third parties still sold the majority of games on the system, even though the pickings were inhumanly slim in terms of quality."
What happens if you change out sales for, say Metacritic average?
Why should the majority of third party Wii games sell as well?
radioheadrule83
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Serious gaming console.
Serious. Gaming. Console.
Are you serious? All of these machines are distractions and toys. The idea of one being for more 'serious' gamers than any other is just absolute nonsense.
bgassassin
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I was able to talk with him once before his first GPU post. I can "verify" that he's legit.
Oppo
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I've seen the numbers, and I don't doubt them, but I think the reason people have a hard time with this data point is that.... anecdotally, from my perspective and many others, I know a LOT of households who basically did just that. Every single person I know who bought a Wii (each of which would never have bought a 360 or a PS3 in a million years) has left it to collect dust, with maybe a handful of games total.
Again this is anecdotal, I.e. meaningless, but it provides quite a bit of dissonance when you read that the attach rate on the Wii is higher than the 360, a statement that seems laughable, but is apparently true. Makes me think that the super hardcore Nintendo fans bring up the average significantly. But who knows.
Nu way, look harder ><
And if someone could ask them their intents in regard to the platforms of their pojects in twitter, it would be cool.
But who the hell are you, bg? For all we know, you're in some crazed techn-dungeon smearing peanut butter all over your naked body with a rusty spoon. You know what? I'm sure of it.
But what happens if I moved this goalpost?
In all seriousness, The Wii actually generated quite a lot of revenue for all developers in its first few years, as the influx of gamers and newcomers, as well as technophiles (see motion control was hip new technology) piles in and started buying games with big, wet, trusting doe eyes.
But well, quality has consequences. Nintendo's games still sell fantastically, and that might have something to do with, on the whole, their Wii games being high quality or at least good-faith efforts at such. Third parties... not so much.
However, strangely enough, UBISoft still makes 45% of their revenue from Wii titles, for an obvious plurality of their revenue, this is why they seem to be big boosters on the Wii U (hopefully their quality will increase as well). In fact I believe Just Dance 3 has already sold more than 8 million copies worldwide, which is a LOT, and is actually more than many first party Nintendo games.
Sega was actually saved from bankruptcy in 2007 by Mario and Sonic @ the Olympics, which, despite the presence of Mario, is still a third party developed and published game. Also, Sega's games have sold the most on the Wii this generation (particularly Sonic), though they made poor decisions about this success (skimming the proceeds to make bombs for the 360.)
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