Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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Apparently people have gotten significantly stupider than the NES --> SNES days.

Heck, even the GB(C) --> GBA days.

EDIT: To make my point clear, the name is not as important as the marketing. 3DS was marketed as another DS model, to its detriment. Wii U was positioned poorly at e3 (although one would question the intelligence of people who listened to the entire conference and still thought it wasn't a new console) but if they market it more clearly as a new console from now on and pump the message during pre-launch, the name shouldn't be too much of a problem.
 
If they say clearly in their ads, that's a new console and show it, more powerful, it has a new controller, they totally can keep the wii u name, plus the fact it will keep the use of wiimotes.
But no more serial killer view in the corridor to present the console.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Apparently people have gotten significantly stupider than the NES --> SNES days.

Heck, even the GB(C) --> GBA days.

EDIT: To make my point clear, the name is not as important as the marketing. 3DS was marketed as another DS model, to its detriment. Wii U was positioned poorly at e3 (although one would question the intelligence of people who listened to the entire conference and still thought it wasn't a new console) but if they market it as a new console once all that begins, the shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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Or the Playstaton -> PlayStation 2 -> Playstation 3 days...
Or the Xbox -> Xbox 360 days

I don't know why keeping the same name has only now just become a problem and only with Nintendo
 
I don't think it's a problem at all.
At least, no more so than it ever has been. When I worked in retail, I'd constantly be asked why someone can't play their PS3 games on a PS2.
The real problem with the 3DS is that it has no differentiating software yet. That will, of course change here pretty quick.
 
I think much of the confusion with the Wii U is that they way it's been presented it's bucking Nintendo's evolution/revolution trend. It's trying to be both.

Keep the people they've got, but try and capture the people they haven't. Again my worry with the Wii U is it's going to be Nintendo's halfway house console, not making a compelling enough argument to win over either side convincingly.

At TGS/October time they need to make a much more convincing case for what they are trying to achieve with the system, there was no real confidence on display at E3. It's like they had the ingredients, but hadn't really decided what to do with them yet so were covering all bases.
 
AceBandage said:
I don't think it's a problem at all.
At least, no more so than it ever has been. When I worked in retail, I'd constantly be asked why someone can't play their PS3 games on a PS2.
The real problem with the 3DS is that it has no differentiating software yet. That will, of course change here pretty quick.
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I'm in Japan and when I was out shopping today between Nintendogs + Cats, Star Fox 64 3D, Zelda OoT, Pokemon Rumble, RE: Mercs, Pilot Wings and Street Fighter the line up didn't look too bad (although not all are out yet, obviously), and there's still KIcarus, Mario 3D Land, AC, MK7 and LM2 all on there way, plus the next Pokemon main games will be out in 14 months, they also sell systems.

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Keep the people they've got, but try and capture the people they haven't. Again my worry with the Wii U is it's going to be Nintendo's halfway house console, not making a compelling enough argument to win over either side convincingly.
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'You can please some of the people all of the time, you can't please all of the people all of the time.'

Besides, what's better than the perfect console?

An otherwise perfect console with one tiny flaw for internet forums to pick at for the next 5 years. ;)
 
Zoramon089 said:
Or the Playstaton -> PlayStation 2 -> Playstation 3 days...
Or the Xbox -> Xbox 360 days

I don't know why keeping the same name has only now just become a problem and only with Nintendo
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Because everything is the same, the color, the style and in the case of the 3DS even the boxes, logo's and branding.

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Zoramon089 said:
Or the Playstaton -> PlayStation 2 -> Playstation 3 days...
Or the Xbox -> Xbox 360 days

I don't know why keeping the same name has only now just become a problem and only with Nintendo
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Its clear that Playstation 3 is newer than Plastation 2

but 3DS sounds like an wordplay like DSi or DSi XL, the same thing with Wii U.
 
PdotMichael said:
Its clear that Playstation 3 is newer than Plastation 2

but 3DS sounds like an wordplay like DSi or DSi XL, the same thing with Wii U.
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Yeah, Nintendo got burnt a bit by too many revisions Sega-style.

Also the initial advertising where they didn't even show what the games look like was stupid, hence the now OTT reaction with the new 'next gen is here' adverts.

3DS' problems were a combination of lots of things though: price, content, confusion, the still popular DS, launching so close to Pokemon in the West. It all added up. Nintendo now being aggressive to fix it all should work though, a good Christmas and it will be back on track.
 
StreetsAhead said:
GB --> GBC --> GBA must have been hell for you then.
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No, it was very clear

Game Boy
Game Boy Pocket - like an Gameboy just in little
Game Boy Color - lika an Gameboy only in Color (almost all games was compatible to the old Gameboy)
Game Boy Advance - it was an new thing like the SNES (Super Nintendo) was the successor of the NES (people called it just Nintendo")
 
The name can cause confusion but it's not insurmountable, anymore than the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, etc. did.

The advertising has to make it clear that it's different. That's where Nintendo dropped the ball.
 
PdotMichael said:
No, it was very clear

Game Boy
Game Boy Pocket - like an Gameboy just in little
Game Boy Color - lika an Gameboy only in Color (almost all games was compatible to the old Gameboy)
Game Boy Advance - it was an new thing like the SNES (Super Nintendo) was the successor of the NES (people called it just Nintendo")
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Then why is Wii U so incomprehensible?
 
ShockingAlberto said:
The name can cause confusion but it's not insurmountable, anymore than the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, etc. did.

The advertising has to make it clear that it's different. That's where Nintendo dropped the ball.
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This.

While I admit that the name doesn't really speak to progression like it should (at face value it sounds like an add-on), in reality the name could be anything. It's all about how they present the product.

They need ads that convey a different voice and feel. And, or god's sake, they need to show the complete package. None of this "we only want to focus on the controller" nonsense...
 
StreetsAhead said:
Then why is Wii U so incomprehensible?
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Wii U sounds more like an revision than an new console. If I remember rightly at the E3 presentation it wasn't clear for an long time for NeoGaf (clearly more hardcoreish than an typical Soccermom) if Wii U, with the using of Wiimotes and Wiifit, was an new console or just an update with an new controller.
 
PdotMichael said:
Wii U sounds more like an revision than an new console. If I remember rightly at the E3 presentation it wasn't clear for an long time for NeoGaf (clearly more hardcoreish than an typical Soccermom) if Wii U, with the using of Wiimotes and Wiifit, was an new console or just an update with an new controller.
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Well by the time it IS ready to come out, there will be actual software to show and I'm sure Nintendo will emphasize that it's a new console not just a revision. It helps that the Wii has had no revisions to cause confusion (like the case with the DS)
 
PdotMichael said:
Wii U sounds more like an revision than an new console. If I remember rightly at the E3 presentation it wasn't clear for an long time for NeoGaf (clearly more hardcoreish than an typical Soccermom) if Wii U, with the using of Wiimotes and Wiifit, was an new console or just an update with an new controller.
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What are you talking about? The only people who seemed "confused" were trolls. While there might have been some slight confusion during the conference, by the time it was over, it was dead clear that it was a brand new system.

That is, unless you believe those tech demos and Darksiders II was running on the Wii. There was no confusion, only trolls. All Nintendo has to do in order to make sure people know it's a new system is to make sure they see the new box and say something like "A New System from Nintendo" or some such similar silly bullshit.
 
doomed1 said:
All Nintendo has to do in order to make sure people know it's a new system is to make sure they see the new box and say something like "A New System from Nintendo" or some such similar silly bullshit.
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It's clearly going to take more than that given the Nintendo-admitted botched reveal and confusion outside of the informed gaming community.
 
doomed1 said:
What are you talking about? The only people who seemed "confused" were trolls. While there might have been some slight confusion during the conference, by the time it was over, it was dead clear that it was a brand new system.

That is, unless you believe those tech demos and Darksiders II was running on the Wii. There was no confusion, only trolls. All Nintendo has to do in order to make sure people know it's a new system is to make sure they see the new box and say something like "A New System from Nintendo" or some such similar silly bullshit.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg

its looked more like an revision than an new console
 
doomed1 said:
What are you talking about? The only people who seemed "confused" were trolls. While there might have been some slight confusion during the conference, by the time it was over, it was dead clear that it was a brand new system.

That is, unless you believe those tech demos and Darksiders II was running on the Wii. There was no confusion, only trolls. All Nintendo has to do in order to make sure people know it's a new system is to make sure they see the new box and say something like "A New System from Nintendo" or some such similar silly bullshit.
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If by "trolls"" you mean a lot of posters who don't have a history of being trolls, gaming journalists who were actually at the event, and Nintendo themselves (who later admitted their presentation was unintentionally confusing and apologized for it).
 
AlStrong said:
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I just reread that part and I looked right past the "also by number" part of that sentence. So I would assume by the post that I'm quoting, you guys were given at least a confirmed target for the eDRAM on the CPU.
 
It doesn't help that the name makes no sense either.

If Wii is a play on 'we' and U is a play on 'you', then what the Hell is a We You?

It just sounds wrong, hasn't grown on me at all yet.
 
DECK'ARD said:
It doesn't help that the name makes no sense either.

If Wii is a play on 'we' and U is a play on 'you', then what the Hell is a We You?

It just sounds wrong, hasn't grown on me at all yet.
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What they need to do is bring the Asian guys back from the early Wii commercials and do the exact same thing as before with the controller only this time have them say, "Wii would like U to play."

Insta-millions sold.
 
DECK'ARD said:
It doesn't help that the name makes no sense either.

If Wii is a play on 'we' and U is a play on 'you', then what the Hell is a We You?

It just sounds wrong, hasn't grown on me at all yet.
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I haven't thought about it like that yet, but damn you're right. It really makes absolutely no sense.
 
Anybody think there is a chance Nintendo may change the name now that they have seen what consumer confusion can mean to the success of a product with the launch of the 3DS?

I mean, a week ago I would have never thought they would do something so drastic, but then again I would have never thought they would cut the price of the 3DS by so much at this point either.
 
royalan said:
If by "trolls"" you mean a lot of posters who don't have a history of being trolls, gaming journalists who were actually at the event, and Nintendo themselves (who later admitted their presentation was unintentionally confusing and apologized for it).
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IIRC, the "journalists" who reported that it was just a new controller after the conference weren't actually there. I can see where confusions might arise from just looking at trailers like the one Pdot posted down there, but if it was just a controller update, then why have tech demos and HD ports? Why call it a "brand new system from Nintendo"? Anyone who saw the conference would know exactly what the WiiU is. Anyone who saw it in screenshots and piecemeal, well, I can understand why they might be confused, but that's because they didn't actually see the whole thing. They saw bits and pieces and were told otherwise by trolls. Could their presentation been clearer? Sure, but it was sufficiently clear for anyone who watched the conference to know that the WiiU is a whole new console with, like the Wii, a focus on the controller. Nintendo's not responsible for the journalistic failures that happened after the conference, it's on the journalists, who should, you know, look at the Goddamned press release.
 
Mr_Brit said:
On a side note: That has to be the most shamefully misleading advert I've seen on UK TV: 'State of the art online', CG trailers passed off as gameplay. I'm sure this stuff was banned a few years ago.
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Where is the CG being passed off as gameplay?
 
Mr_Brit said:
On a side note: That has to be the most shamefully misleading advert I've seen on UK TV: 'State of the art online', CG trailers passed off as gameplay. I'm sure this stuff was banned a few years ago.
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To be fair, as a handheld gaming device, 3DS is state of the art in online capabilities at the moment. (Since both DS and PSP had nearly nonexistent online)
 
Mr_Brit said:
On a side note: That has to be the most shamefully misleading advert I've seen on UK TV: 'State of the art online', CG trailers passed off as gameplay. I'm sure this stuff was banned a few years ago.
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On another side note: This has to be the most shamefully exaggerated post I've ever seen on NeoGAF. (NOT INCLUDING MY POSTS) The online part is subjective, and there were like 5 seconds of CG.
 
Luigiv said:
Wait the 3DS browser only uses 12MB? That's really impressive. Still, at the same time, it makes me want a dedicated, fully featured browser app all the more (much in the same way the camera app has both a background and main app mode).
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Yeah, NetFront kind of blows though, as any PSP/PS3 user can tell you.
 
brochiller said:
Anybody think there is a chance Nintendo may change the name now that they have seen what consumer confusion can mean to the success of a product with the launch of the 3DS?

I mean, a week ago I would have never thought they would do something so drastic, but then again I would have never thought they would cut the price of the 3DS by so much at this point either.
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I'd say anything is possible now. At the very least we should expect a coming-out party again at TGS/October where they present the system all over again. In hopefully a more compelling way, with concrete example of how it changes things.

I don't like the whole 'you' thing, apart from making no sense with the Wii part as mentioned it's also going against Nintendo's strength which is social gaming, local multi-player.

I'd prefer Nintendo U, with the U being short for Unlimited. As in unlimited ways to play. If they are trying to cover all bases, them let the angle of the system reflect that. That would fit with the whole asymmetrical gaming aspect, although would require them to get round the limitation of one U controller to be unlimited.

But I'd really like to see that limitation go anyway, I think that is quite a problem for the system.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
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You're depending on the hit-obsessed online media to prove your point? Out of all of the ways you can do it, you're using headlines?
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Yeah, the problem is the conference made a HUGE deal about the controller, and didn't even show the game system. They had mockups there, but they never brought one out "This is the Wii U". And they chose (for some stupid reason) to only show off tech demos using Wii-ish graphics, though a number of full Wii-U games were in playable demoable states. If someone missed just a couple sentences in their presentation, I could easily see some people getting confused and thinking it was just a new controller.

As for the name, Nintendo has changed names at the last minute before more than once, so there is a precedent for announcing it at next E3 as the "Wii-ÜberPower TwoScreen!"
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
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You know, it doesn't look like those journalists were actually confused so much as they predicted people are going to be confused going by just the conference. I suppose that's a reasonable conclusion, but this far out from launch, I don't really see it as problematic. I'm not saying that people weren't confused, I'm saying that there wasn't any doubt that it was a new system by the end of the conference, and to communicate that beyond the conference is trivial at best. Five words: "This is a New System", and it's done. I don't see what's so complicated about this.

Oh right, it's Nintendo, Doom and Gloom everyone! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM AND GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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BurntPork said:
You're depending on the hit-obsessed online media to prove your point? Out of all of the ways you can do it, you're using headlines?
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There was a lot of confusion around the launch, it's silly to pretend otherwise. They barely even showed the actual console, which is why many thought it might be another peripheral like Wii Fit.
 
There have always been a minority of posters who insist there was no confusion about the Wii U. One of them called me stupid and then I cried.
 
BurntPork said:
You're depending on the hit-obsessed online media to prove your point? Out of all of the ways you can do it, you're using headlines?
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You're right. Blanket statements like, "Anyone who saw the conference wouldn't be confused" is a much more convincing argument.

The general tone after the conference was confusion. It's a fact. We were left with more questions than answers.

But since you're not convinced, how about this quote:

"Because we put so much emphasis on the controller, there appeared to be some misunderstanding. We should have made more effort to explain how it works."

Who said that?

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PortTwo said:
There was a lot of confusion around the launch, it's silly to pretend otherwise. They barely even showed the actual console, which is why many thought it might be another peripheral like Wii Fit.
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I know, but that was the worst way to prove it.

ElectricBlanketFire said:
You're right. Blanket statements like, "Anyone who saw the conference wouldn't be confused" is a much more convincing argument.

The general tone after the conference was confusion. It's a fact. We were left with more questions than answers.

But since you're not convinced, how about this quote:

"Because we put so much emphasis on the controller, there appeared to be some misunderstanding. We should have made more effort to explain how it works."

Who said that?

iwata.jpg
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I know, but using headlines as evidence is just a poor way to go about it. I'm not disagreeing that there was confusion. I was LOOKING for the damn console in that video.
 
I remember at least one newspaper in the UK reported it as a new controller for the Wii.

It was a mess of an unveiling. At least it means we should get a start over from
scratch at TGS/October time.
 
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