TheCongressman1
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Dem peniswatts...
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Dem peniswatts...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You're right. I know Nintendo says otherwise, but I'm quite confident in saying that I really don't think they care about attracting the 360/PS3 market.
The truth is, though, that they don't need to.
GameplayWhore
Member
Wow, it's a controller with a screen on!
Hmm, so we should expect the Wii U on September 21st based on this critical new information.
I don't know if this has been posted already but still... anyways, Darksiders seems to be a day 1 game for the wii U and they are actually trying to improve the core game using the tablet features
Source: nintendo life
Ignore if old, etc
Source: nintendo life
Ignore if old, etc
Agent Ironside
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They consulted GAF for the final version, GAF said moar buttons. GAF loves buttons.
Forsaken82
Member
Come on... give Nintendo some credit...
I got detention for playing with this thing back in elementary school
TheGreatMightyPoo
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About the name of the console, do you guys really think the audience the other consoles get much more of would be attracted to ANY console with the Nintendo name in it or attached to it???
After the perception of the company fopr some time???
Yeah, Wii carries that stigma with its concept and lack of power, etc... but I personally don't think any name that is attached to Nintendo would sway people much more.
Maybe the Nintendo BeerSlutBanger.
After the perception of the company fopr some time???
Yeah, Wii carries that stigma with its concept and lack of power, etc... but I personally don't think any name that is attached to Nintendo would sway people much more.
Maybe the Nintendo BeerSlutBanger.
Come on... give Nintendo some credit...
I got detention for playing with this thing back in elementary school
Forget Star Fox on Wii U.
Retrostudios should make a Star Fox watch game.
jump_button
Banned
Best you can come up with? and seeing as you have noway of knowing
Well honestly i think it's the other way around.
The jaded fanboys have always been around. Even back in the print magazine days they -the magazines- figured out it's way easier to get the money out of insecure teenage pockets by spewing hate and acting cool and aloof than by actual journalism (let's be honest, does that make the big bucks anywhere compared to sensationalist press?).
Obviously we gaffers stand above this, cheers, a fellow GAF fellow
Depends on what you define as the PS360 crowd. Nintendo used to have a large percentage of them in the past and for sure there is still a sizeable overlap. What Nintendo may indeed not be after are the people that PS360 brought in by wooing PC gamers and franchises over, that i'd readily agree with.
Nintendo always seemed to keep their very 'japanesey' outlook on gaming and that's what i love about 'em.
One of my sincerest wishes for gaming as a whole going forward is a re-evaluation as well as a step away from marketing terms like casual, core and hardcore gamers. That shit is poison for discussions.
You know the ninjas are coming for you now that you've leaked pics of the dev kit right?
You know the ninjas are coming for you now that you've leaked pics of the dev kit right?
-Pyromaniac-
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GameplayWhore
Member
In real life, the PS360 crowd that I know simply consists of people who want to play games but have found that the games that get heavily advertised only appear on the PS3 or 360. That's it. They don't care about the screen resolution, they don't care about the graphical fidelity (excepting when a game is exceptionally "kiddified" when ported between systems), and they don't even care about online communities (except that apparently having Netflix can be a plus).
Simply having the games without them being dramatically gimped would help dramatically with this particular crowd.
Nintendo always seemed to keep their very 'japanesey' outlook on gaming and that's what i love about 'em.
That picture is me! (it's usually tea that I sip whilst sitting in Office Chair of Judgement).
And yes, I love that about Nintendo as well.
Well honestly i think it's the other way around.
The jaded fanboys have always been around. Even back in the print magazine days they -the magazines- figured out it's way easier to get the money out of insecure teenage pockets by spewing hate and acting cool and aloof than by actual journalism (let's be honest, does that make the big bucks anywhere compared to sensationalist press?).
Obviously we gaffers stand above this, cheers, a fellow GAF fellow
Good point. There is a cyclical thing going on, too - a vicious circle of fanboyism between the gaming media and its audience, feeding off of itself and informing no one in the process. I'm just saying things have gotten especially bad in the past decade. It's like everybody in the media's got a chip on their shoulder about the Wii, as if it did something to offend them. Of course, had Nintendo gone the expensive HD route last time around, the gaming industry would be in piss-poor shape right now. That little white rectangle kept gaming afloat more than they'd like to admit.
Yeah It could change though. I seem to recall NOA was very heavily involved with the Gamecube name. Japan wanted starcube or some absurd crap.
herzogzwei1989
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No we do have ways of knowing. It's all well explained in the link I posted a few pages back.
Nintendo will be using 45nm fab, at least for the CPU, if MS launch next year they wouldn't be using a 45nm process, they would be using 28nm since this would be mature by the end of next year. You can look this up if you want, I'm not making this up. So even if the chips were the same size, MS and Sony would be able to pack more transistors into the same amount of silicon.
Learn about yields, fabrication processes, and the other things I mentioned before questioning someone's post.
Oh i agree, i just think there is never a "PS360" crowd or even the "Wii Casual Gamer" to start with. Somebody on another forum once made a point about how the forum basically consisted of a lot of micro-communities that for the most part even never really interacted that much among themselves.
I feel gaming audiences are similar to these forum participants. The companies themselves are really more concerned to bring over specific audiences out of the huge amalgamation of gamers with completely different interests, and to do that you need the games in question.
Do you need a capable hardware to pull that off? Sure, you need at least a level high enough to run the software in a satisfying manner. But i think we don't have to look much farther than Vita and 3DS to see that gamers are willing to follow their franchises moreso than any perceived hardware capabilities (keeping in mind that 3DS can hold it's own atm against Vita, which we will see about the consoles).
Definitely so. Maybe things are escalating now that the prices went insanely high and people have to justify their purchase, maybe we just like to see things black/white more than ever, or maybe Nintendo made it just too easy to be attacked. It has been boggling my mind for years now. There has been some nice discussion on journalists' and devs' preconceptions (or rather, if they exist and if everyone is out to harp on Nintendo), think i remember charlequin being a spearhead of GAF discussion there.
jump_button
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lol you think the size of a console will tell witch one of them better? yeah clear you dont know what you talking about, And yeah they will come out a year later I'am not saying the Wii U will out power them I'am saying they will be close and alike with only a year apart they not going to be a big jump like we had with Wii and 360
Any console game that come out later will always be a little better but that nothing to do with size lol its what you do with it all and how well it all go together, with the type of games next gen will be seeing what what they need
ps they dont really use duck tape you know?
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Rösti
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This is nothing big, but another exhibitor has appeared in the list of companies showing something for Wii U at E3.
Listed as Digital Heart, under these categories:
Localization - Wii U
Mobile Apps - Wii U
Other Services - Wii U
http://www.digitalhearts.co.jp/en/
Source: http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E312
By the way, did issue 74 of Nintendo Gamer provide anything interesting?
Listed as Digital Heart, under these categories:
Localization - Wii U
Mobile Apps - Wii U
Other Services - Wii U
http://www.digitalhearts.co.jp/en/
Source: http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E312
By the way, did issue 74 of Nintendo Gamer provide anything interesting?
I edited my previous post because honestly it didn't make sense in a way (sorry at work so my thoughts aren't always clear).
Also, yes it does make a difference. Did you even read the link I posted?
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-wii-u-offer-next-gen-power
Read the whole thing, it does a good job describing how fabrication process and console size can effect how powerful the chips can be.
All things being equal, as in the same fab process, the bigger the chip, the more transistors you can pack, thus the more performance you will get.
Awful article. We already know that WiiU is more powerful than X360/PS3, which it needs to be only because of the tablet.
Father_Brain
Banned
At this point, I'm only concerned about Wii U's CPU/GPU capabilities to the extent that they might impact third-party support. As long as it runs UE4, albeit with a few less graphical bells and whistles than PS4/Xbox 3, I don't really care how big the performance delta is.
I only posted it again to show jump_button that he doesn't have a clue to what he's talking about.
We already went through the whole console size debate last year. The reasons you can't directly compare the size of the Wii with the Wii U include the larger rear fan, the additional side fan, the lack of Gamecube hardware (controller plugs and memory slots), and the efficiency of modern CPU/GPUs compared to Wii's late 90's tech. It's apples to oranges. Also directly comparing the size of a console with Nintendo's notoriously streamlined and practical design philosophy with one using Sony and MS's throw-everything-we-can-into-a-box philosophy is a lost cause.
It's stupid really. I don't really care about how powerful it is, as in my wanting to purchase it is pretty much unaffected by it. It's so important though because what Nintendo can't have is another scenario like with the Wii where they have to develop for 3.5 systems at the end of the generation, obviously one is going to fall off the truck there. That's why i just can't fathom the gap to be so significant in the end. That can't possibly in the plans of anyone at the big N.
Apparently, people have no concept of heat dissipation or process technology.
Hadn't read his post, but after doing so I approve linking to that article.
jump_button
Banned
Size got nothing to do with anything more so now days everything getting smaller, they come along way from PS360 days PS4 could be tiny you don't know
saying something has to be bigger stupid
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Rösti
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Yes, I know, I saw their web page. As I wrote, it's nothing big.
herzogzwei1989
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Thunder Monkey
Banned
Well I could have told you that man.
You're AlStrong! I'm disappointed.
edit: Ummm... jump unless you're being facetious I'd give up this point.
You're wrong. Personally I'm hoping for a slightly larger WiiU case. Closer to 360s size. Since I don't expect Durango/Fusion/Loop to be much larger than the 360s it's the only way I can explain this 20% gap that was being talked about last month.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I'm hoping the GPU will be on 28nm, I know that's not realistic but, it's a pipe-dream.
Nintendo could've upped the specs to be more competitive with XB3/PS4.
Nintendo could've upped the specs to be more competitive with XB3/PS4.
specialguy
Banned
Only if Wii U had a Nvidia GPU right though BG?
True, he's not in a position to mince whether the Wii U is 0% more powerful than PS360, 20% more, or 50% more. It seems clear it's not a generation leap though. I imagine MS and Sony breathe a sigh of relief (but no doubt they knew what Wii U was months or years ago), and Pachter was right.
At this point we'd probably be happy if Wii U was a stock 360 with 1GB of RAM instead of 512 LOL. That would be pretty nice.
I think the other thing this whole new hullballo indicates, is one of the difficulties I knew Wii U would face right along, even if it is lets say, 30% more powerful than current gen, all it's going to get are straight PS360 ports. Nobody is going to bother taking advantage of that 30% except Nintendo themselves (and they arent exactly know for cutting edge mature games anyway). For the same reason PC's, which are already 10X more powerful than current gen, usually just get quick minor upgrades at best from the console version. Wii U likely wont even get that, because 1.3X is a lot different than 10X. Another example here is the Xbox-PS2 era, where Xbox despite being maybe 2X PS2 imo, mostly just got a lot of PS2 ports with little difference.
Today's definition seems to be "anyone who will play a casual game for many hours, but only if it's mature-themed (which makes it hardcore)". It also seems to me that those "hardcore games" are mostly first person shooters, like Call of Duty. So basically any 13-16 year old who can persuade his parents to buy him a 300$ toy (800$ if the toy is a PC and said hardcore gamer can pretend that he will learn programming on it).
Personally, I can't imagine a hardcore gamer judging a console by the fact that it has a certain name. That's just stupid. Only people with no knowledge whatsoever do that, how can you call them hardcore (to me, the term means people who follow gaming news, play any game they can for at least a while, etc.). However, it's probably also a fact that these people (teenagers with too much pocket money) are the majority of gamers nowadays. They don't have to go to work or care for children, so they have more time to play.
Thunder Monkey
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That ending is more than a little suspect man. Those PC games tend to run at much higher resolution with higher precision everything from shadows to lighting. They are crunching pixels neither the PS3 or 360 could attempt.Only if Wii U had a Nvidia GPU right though BG?
True, he's not in a position to mince whether the Wii U is 0% more powerful than PS360, 20% more, or 50% more. It seems clear it's not a generation leap though. I imagine MS and Sony breathe a sigh of relief (but no doubt they knew what Wii U was months or years ago), and Pachter was right.
At this point we'd probably be happy if Wii U was a stock 360 with 1GB of RAM instead of 512 LOL. That would be pretty nice.
I think the other thing this whole new hullballo indicates, is one of the difficulties I knew Wii U would face right along, even if it is lets say, 30% more powerful than current gen, all it's going to get are straight PS360 ports. Nobody is going to bother taking advantage of that 30% except Nintendo themselves (and they arent exactly know for cutting edge mature games anyway). For the same reason PC's, which are already 10X more powerful than current gen, usually just get quick minor upgrades at best from the console version.
Well if the E3 cases really didn't have anything in them i don't think they should be too much of a discussion point right now.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It does give us a barometer for what case size they are shooting for.
Last E3's case? It would gives a nice little powerhouse, but overall it would be much closer to the PS3 or 360 than away from them.
Unless Fusion is a relatively minor upgrade (of which almost all rumors point), in which case it might literally be smack dab in the middle.
This is the kind of thing that bothers people.
- This thread needs no spicing. It's pretty crazy as it is.
- NO ONE is going to [purposely] ignore your [hypothetical] 1 liners if they contain any kind of useful/good/actual info (except the usual suspects, I guess).
- If you want to emphasize your news so it can get speculation going (something you love, apparently), just do it. No need to do useless and stupid teasing like this:
Announcement of an announcement... nice :|Expect a tiny bit of info (not a wall of text this time, maybe 2 or 3 sentences) regarding the dev kits, soon
Other people who have shared info in this thread, even if it's only a tiny bit of vague info, don't to this.
And when you add all that with statements like this:
Because i like to monitor hypothetical discussion that can occur after my post, and right now, i don't have the time to do it. It's time-consuming to just catch-up (since thread 3) and read all the pages to be sure that eventual new infos haven't already been given
And it would be a waste to say it now, in the middle of a heated discussion regarding the Wii U power because of the Vigil statement. So i just warn in advance. And it's fun to tease as i explained, during this long wait until E3. It could be irritating if i made these announcements then disappear for days, but no, i'm here and i post the message in the end, so it's in a controlled fashion. If it build some anticipation amongst some, then i'm satisfied
Well, it just reeks of attention seeking.
And about: "It could be irritating if i made these announcements then disappear for days, but no, i'm here and i post the message in the end."
First you tease and days or weeks later you post the info... even if you don't disappear, the result is the same.
I just want to clarify this post of mine isn't about doubting your data or your credentials or your contacts, but about your posting style.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Happy to see that some gafers were defending the legitimacy of my information in my absence in answer to a doubtful post, i'm tired of doing it
Oh, and for the teasing part, i've already talked about that, it's just a way to spice up the thread while waiting for E3. And when i announce in advance that i'll say something, it's simply to avoid writing a 1 line message drowned in the middle of the 50th discussion about Retro (not criticizing this, as i love to participate, it's just that when people have some news that can nurture the speculation, it's better to emphasize them).
Expect a tiny bit of info (not a wall of text this time, maybe 2 or 3 sentences) regarding the dev kits, soon
By the way, these last pages are frightening, just calm down please. For the Vigil comment, a lot of gafers explained how someone from their studio can do such a statement. Read again my post concerning the resolution of third-parties "ports" in a specific situation, it will give also more hindsight about that.
how soon Ideaman...how soon?
That's not actually a thing.
Also, who's going to be funding these games that are leaps and bounds more complex and expensive than AAA PS360 titles already are? Will we see a lot of them? Do you think publishers are going to be taking a lot of risks with these games, going the unique yet unproven route? Or are they basically going to make prettier versions of the same stuff we've been playing for over a decade now? When is that ever going to get old?
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Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Considering the small booth (412), I wonder what they will show. Could it be 3DS galore only or perhaps they are having a very limited amount of Wii U demo kiosks for people to bull rush their booth (like attendees did at E3 last year).
PAX East is a public event, the first one this year Nintendo is exhibiting at if I'm not mistaken. Regardless of Wii U's presence there, people will ask them (Kit Ellis perhaps?) questions and most likely are they gonna reply with "we can't answer that right now" if the system is not present... and most likely even if it is. Do we have any PAX goers in this thread?
Anyway, now we know at least they are exhibiting. PAX East takes place in Boston between April 6-8.
Source: http://hw1.pa-cdn.com/pax/resources/PAX_East_2012_Expo_Map.pdf
PAX East is a public event, the first one this year Nintendo is exhibiting at if I'm not mistaken. Regardless of Wii U's presence there, people will ask them (Kit Ellis perhaps?) questions and most likely are they gonna reply with "we can't answer that right now" if the system is not present... and most likely even if it is. Do we have any PAX goers in this thread?
Anyway, now we know at least they are exhibiting. PAX East takes place in Boston between April 6-8.
Source: http://hw1.pa-cdn.com/pax/resources/PAX_East_2012_Expo_Map.pdf