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The Wii brand name is associated with casual gamers and will not be taken serious by many hardcore gamers.
Hardcore gamers will just think "Oh god, not another Wii".
I think Nintendo needs to rebrand themselves and their image if they want to get the hardcore gamer market. A new name for their console would be the right direction.
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That's been very interesting to see what those guys are doing, and they're making efforts to make sure we do use it in more than a slapdash way. It's basically the core game, but then with added abilities to do certain things that you can't do on the other consoles.
One of the things that we did, when we were originally going to show it off, was that you could equip stuff directly. So, for instance, I could be running along and I could click on another piece and I could put it on as I'm running through the game. That's huge, it's not breaking up the game in a way, I'm not going into a menu and assigning it, I'm literally just tapping as I'm playing.
We're not basically heavily changing the core game to support the control system, but the control system will be an enhancement of the core game.
Wow, it's a controller with a screen on!
Hmm, so we should expect the Wii U on September 21st based on this critical new information.
Come on... give Nintendo some credit...
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I got detention for playing with this thing back in elementary school
The Wii brand name is associated with casual gamers and will not be taken serious by many hardcore gamers.
Hardcore gamers will just think "Oh god, not another Wii".
I think Nintendo needs to rebrand themselves and their image if they want to get the hardcore gamer market. A new name for their console would be the right direction.
You're ignoring: fabrication process (28nm vs. 40nm/45nm), casing size which leads to limitations of how fast hardware can be, transistor counts, and more.
Basically you're mistaken.
Yeah, gaming journalism is dead. Barely any of the major gaming sites and blogs could be described as actually participating in journalism. What they write has less to do with informing us about our hobby and more to do with trying to impress the reader with how jaded and dismissive they can act. This blasé, self-entitled attitude has bred a generation of "hardcore" gamers who have little appreciation for what constitutes good game design or graphics, let alone the incredible amount of work that goes into making games. They think that just as long as a console has the "power to handle them", tons of incredibly life-like games will just magically appear, and studios won't go bankrupt in the process. Thanks, gaming media - way to keep people's expectations in check.
You're right. I know Nintendo says otherwise, but I'm quite confident in saying that I really don't think they care about attracting the 360/PS3 market.
The truth is, though, that they don't need to.
we're gonna need lherre to vouch for thisI've heard the Wii U has a graphics card.
Depends on what you define as the PS360 crowd. Nintendo used to have a large percentage of them in the past and for sure there is still a sizeable overlap. What Nintendo may indeed not be after are the people that PS360 brought in by wooing PC gamers and franchises over, that i'd readily agree with.
Well honestly i think it's the other way around.
The jaded fanboys have always been around. Even back in the print magazine days they -the magazines- figured out it's way easier to get the money out of insecure teenage pockets by spewing hate and acting cool and aloof than by actual journalism (let's be honest, does that make the big bucks anywhere compared to sensationalist press?).
Obviously we gaffers stand above this, cheers, a fellow GAF fellow
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Hmmm. Sounds like Nintendo is sticking with Wii U at this point.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-nintendo-3ds-one-year-on/093295
Interesting...
I wonder if Nintendo HQ is listening.
Best you can come up with? and seeing as you have noway of knowing
In real life, the PS360 crowd that I know simply consists of people who want to play games but have found that the games that get heavily advertised only appear on the PS3 or 360. That's it. They don't care about the screen resolution, they don't care about the graphical fidelity (excepting when a game is exceptionally "kiddified" when ported between systems), and they don't even care about online communities (except that apparently having Netflix can be a plus).
Simply having the games without them being dramatically gimped would help dramatically with this particular crowd.
Good point. There is a cyclical thing going on, too - a vicious circle of fanboyism between the gaming media and its audience, feeding off of itself and informing no one in the process. I'm just saying things have gotten especially bad in the past decade. It's like everybody in the media's got a chip on their shoulder about the Wii, as if it did something to offend them. Of course, had Nintendo gone the expensive HD route last time around, the gaming industry would be in piss-poor shape right now. That little white rectangle kept gaming afloat more than they'd like to admit.
No we do have ways of knowing. It's all well explained in the link I posted a few pages back.
Nintendo will be using 45nm fab, at least for the CPU, if MS launch next year they wouldn't be using a 45nm process, they would be using 28nm since this would be mature by the end of next year. You can look this up if you want, I'm not making this up. It easily boils down to one simple question: Do you see the PS4 or 720 being as small as the Wii-U? If the answer is no, then there's no way the Wii-U can equal the other 2 in power.
Learn about yields, fabrication processes, and the other things I mentioned before questioning someone's post.
I've heard the Wii U has a graphics card.
lol you think the size of a console will tell witch one of them better? yeah clear you dont know what you talking about, And yeah they will come out a year later I'am not saying the Wii U will out power them I'am saying they will be close and alike with only a year apart they not going to be a big jump like we had with Wii and 360
Any console game that come out later will always be a little better but that nothing to do with size lol its what you do with it all and how well it all go together, with the type of games next gen will be seeing what what they need
Crucially, we also know how big the Wii U is, and it's a hell of a lot smaller than either Slim rendition of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Why is this important? It's simple: typically, the more power you're packing, the bigger the case of the machine and the meatier its cooling assembly.
As for the Wii U and Nextbox figures, we're almost certainly as much in the dark as we ever were
Awful article. We already know that WiiU is more powerful than X360/PS3, which it needs to be only because of the tablet.
Crucially, we also know how big the Wii U is, and it's a hell of a lot smaller than either Slim rendition of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Why is this important? It's simple: typically, the more power you're packing, the bigger the case of the machine and the meatier its cooling assembly.
At this point, I'm only concerned about Wii U's CPU/GPU capabilities to the extent that they might impact third-party support. As long as it runs UE4, albeit with a few less graphical bells and whistles than PS4/Xbox 3, I don't really care how big the performance delta is.
Rösti;36294497 said:This is nothing big, but another exhibitor has appeared in the list of companies showing something for Wii U at E3.
Listed as Digital Heart, under these categories:
Localization - Wii U
Mobile Apps - Wii U
Other Services - Wii U
http://www.digitalhearts.co.jp/en/
Source: http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E312
By the way, did issue 74 of Nintendo Gamer provide anything interesting?
Are people paid for this?
I only posted it again to show jump_button that he doesn't have a clue to what he's talking about.
I only posted it again to show jump_button that he doesn't have a clue to what he's talking about.
Yes, I know, I saw their web page. As I wrote, it's nothing big.digital hearts is a qa company.
Apparently, people have no concept of heat dissipation or process technology.
Size got nothing to do with anything more so now days everything getting smaller, they come along way from PS360 days PS4 could be tiny you don't know
saying something has to be bigger stupid
Apparently, people have no concept of heat dissipation or process technology.
Thanks. In the Samaritan thread I mentioned that even with only a 25% reduction that would bring down the 1080p TFLOP requirement to ~1.9 TFLOPs. For 720p that would be ~830 GFLOPs. If 25% were true, then for Wii U a 720p Samaritan seems outside of my guessed range as I really don't see Nintendo going for the max of my range in both clock and ALUs, and that includes my take on AMD FLOPs. Now if you're saying the change to FXAA possibly has a greater than 25% reduction, then I'd be more willing to say a 720p/30 Samaritan is much more possible.
He said the hardware was roughly on par from what he was told, but he also made it clear that he doesn't really understand that stuff and isn't involved in the actual technical, let alone platform specific development. It's all second hand and he's not a tech guy.
I don't mind the Wii U not matching PS4/720.
But expect the console to receive a massive negative media backlash against them when developers complain about the console not being able to handle certain games.
That's what I'm afraid of.
I know the Wii U will have the games I want. I will buy the Wii U at launch regardless of the power and specs.
But does Nintendo really want a reputation that they always put out underwhelming hardware compared to their competitors? Do they really want a reputation like that to stick to them? It's fine to put out one underpowered console (Wii), but if you keep doing it, people will always expect you to put out weak consoles, and Nintendo will gain a reputation of being cheap.
Again, if the Wii U was literally a 360 with no extra ram (which we know isn't the case), I would still buy the Wii U.
But Nintendo needs to start worrying about its image.
define "hardcore gamers"
That ending is more than a little suspect man. Those PC games tend to run at much higher resolution with higher precision everything from shadows to lighting. They are crunching pixels neither the PS3 or 360 could attempt.Only if Wii U had a Nvidia GPU right though BG?
True, he's not in a position to mince whether the Wii U is 0% more powerful than PS360, 20% more, or 50% more. It seems clear it's not a generation leap though. I imagine MS and Sony breathe a sigh of relief (but no doubt they knew what Wii U was months or years ago), and Pachter was right.
At this point we'd probably be happy if Wii U was a stock 360 with 1GB of RAM instead of 512 LOL. That would be pretty nice.
I think the other thing this whole new hullballo indicates, is one of the difficulties I knew Wii U would face right along, even if it is lets say, 30% more powerful than current gen, all it's going to get are straight PS360 ports. Nobody is going to bother taking advantage of that 30% except Nintendo themselves (and they arent exactly know for cutting edge mature games anyway). For the same reason PC's, which are already 10X more powerful than current gen, usually just get quick minor upgrades at best from the console version.
Well I could have told you that man.
You're AlStrong! I'm disappointed.
edit: Ummm... jump unless you're being facetious I'd give up this point.
You're wrong. Personally I'm hoping for a slightly larger WiiU case. Closer to 360s size. Since I don't expect Durango/Fusion/Loop to be much larger than the 360s it's the only way I can explain this 20% gap that was being talked about last month.
Well if the E3 cases really didn't have anything in them i don't think they should be too much of a discussion point right now.
Oh, and for the teasing part, i've already talked about that, it's just a way to spice up the thread while waiting for E3. And when i announce in advance that i'll say something, it's simply to avoid writing a 1 line message drowned in the middle of the 50th discussion about Retro (not criticizing this, as i love to participate, it's just that when people have some news that can nurture the speculation, it's better to emphasize them).
Announcement of an announcement... nice :|Expect a tiny bit of info (not a wall of text this time, maybe 2 or 3 sentences) regarding the dev kits, soon![]()
Because i like to monitor hypothetical discussion that can occur after my post, and right now, i don't have the time to do it. It's time-consuming to just catch-up (since thread 3) and read all the pages to be sure that eventual new infos haven't already been given
And it would be a waste to say it now, in the middle of a heated discussion regarding the Wii U power because of the Vigil statement. So i just warn in advance. And it's fun to tease as i explained, during this long wait until E3. It could be irritating if i made these announcements then disappear for days, but no, i'm here and i post the message in the end, so it's in a controlled fashion. If it build some anticipation amongst some, then i'm satisfied![]()
Happy to see that some gafers were defending the legitimacy of my information in my absence in answer to a doubtful post, i'm tired of doing it
Oh, and for the teasing part, i've already talked about that, it's just a way to spice up the thread while waiting for E3. And when i announce in advance that i'll say something, it's simply to avoid writing a 1 line message drowned in the middle of the 50th discussion about Retro (not criticizing this, as i love to participate, it's just that when people have some news that can nurture the speculation, it's better to emphasize them).
Expect a tiny bit of info (not a wall of text this time, maybe 2 or 3 sentences) regarding the dev kits, soon
By the way, these last pages are frightening, just calm down please. For the Vigil comment, a lot of gafers explained how someone from their studio can do such a statement. Read again my post concerning the resolution of third-parties "ports" in a specific situation, it will give also more hindsight about that.
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It seems clear it's not a generation leap though.
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