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[herzogzwei1989]

I've been talking with IdeaMan, I think he is legit and the real deal. I've never seen him acting in any other way.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Since the pad just streams stuff.. I don 't think so.

But maybe once when there has been problems with wireless communication with the console - just assuming.

The just-before-E3 devkit had a controller that did not remotely resemble what we saw at E3.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

we need more IdeaMans in this thread I would love to have 5 more posters like him that post reasonable guesswork than the OMG Microsoft stuff going on for the last 24 hours

I believe IdeaMan, because if he is wrong think about it for a moment... where would the direction on the WiiU be at this point if he is wrong? mostly everything we have heard lines up well enough

and its not like Nintendo will give us a specs sheet at E3 or third parties will share anymore details of dev kits than they do now after launch.

we won't know until someone cracks open a final retail U

 

[Rösti]

Intriguing information, IdeaMan. If that SDK is indeed the "final" version, I hope developers can start to use phrasing with a little more sense it in and that something accurate may be officially confirmed. While I doubt Nintendo is going to issue a press release declaring that they just shipped the final dev kits of Wii U, it'd be nice if someone (at Nintendo or other larger studio, Crytek e.g.) could just step up and say "we're working with the final version of the Wii U dev kit". Hopefully this will end or at least slow down the nervous yada yada of Wii U being one day 50% more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 whilst another day it's just on par with them. Especially considering the latest comments from Vigil.

So, third party developers will receive the V5 SDK's before the end of Nintendo's FY11 (ends 31st of March)?

 

[HylianTom]

When i promise something, i always deliver my little teddy bear
I just wanted to be sure that this info wasn't given already, and by saying "i try to catch-up before posting", i had some nice summary that avoided me to read through tons of new pages

And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all, and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case

That's a juicy bet. =) Would we get to choose which character? Because Dixie Kong in a bikini is my main nomination right now!

The just-before-E3 devkit had a controller that did not remotely resemble what we saw at E3.

Yeah.. part of me is fantasizing about the controller coming with its own supplemental horsepower. But if it's just streaming, oh well..

 

[Coolwhip]

When i promise something, i always deliver my little teddy bear
I just wanted to be sure that this info wasn't given already, and by saying "i try to catch-up before posting", i had some nice summary that avoided me to read through tons of new pages

And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all, and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case

I have heard that before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXvMTNAbXn8

 

[Hoo-doo]

I've been talking with IdeaMan, I think he is legit and the real deal. I've never seen him acting in any other way.

Not to sound like a dick, but who are you?
Work in the industry as well?

 

[Disorientator]

There is so much wrong with the "OST" and the boxart I don't even know where to begin. No offense but how on earth did you even take it with at least a grain of salt?

I think it's the channel's layout/graphics that fooled me.

Box cover didn't look right, but I wasn't sure about the tracks so I had to ask.

My bad.

 

[Donnie]

Oh my, so Nvidia is wanting to put Kelper in smart phones/tablets/notebooks ...if that does happen, Wii U will have even more depressing graphics outlook compared to everything else.

Er, it won't actually be like the desktop part you know, it'll have a tiny fraction of the performance of the PC GPU and far less than WiiU.

 

[LeleSocho]

And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it

Well that's disappointing... i know you said to not be disappointed in advance but this is the only feeling i feel towards everything you wrote
maybe there is also rage in my feelings but that's towards nintendo....

 

[fabricated backlash]

When i promise something, i always deliver my little teddy bear
I just wanted to be sure that this info wasn't given already, and by saying "i try to catch-up before posting", i had some nice summary that avoided me to read through tons of new pages

And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all, and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case

You know I said Wow to some of the Wii games as well, but not in a positive way.

 

[GameplayWhore]

I've been talking with IdeaMan, I think he is legit and the real deal. I've never seen him acting in any other way.

He certainly has been very consistent.

For those who want to compare him against E3, though.... He really hasn't said too much that was outside the consensus of the thoughtful here, so I can't see him being out of line with what we see there unless Nintendo has been hiding stuff from *every* developer.

Spoiler

haptichapticshapticshaptics!!!!!!

 

[fabricated backlash]

And a hot plate.

Grilled Cheese Sandwich on my Iphone 6? There's an app for that^^

 

[Agent Unknown]

I know people are back to tech talk but honestly I've made the decision to buy the Wii U no matter the tech what I want from Nintendo at E3 is for the light to dim and Porky's theme music to start playing followed by a backshot of a kid wearing a bookbag picking up a bat throwing it ROTC style in the air putting on a baseball cap then catching the bat do a quick spin to reveal Nes before the words Earthbound 2013 manifests on screen....

Earthbound/Mother sequel will never happen since they couldn't even be bothered to give us a DS compilation.

 

[TheCongressman1]

Ok, here's that Smash cover I said I would make:

I think it turned out nicely.

 

[IdeaMan]

So.. silly question, but are there different devkit versions of the uPad? (or the components around it?)

Yes, the Upad come to developers in different "dev kit" that the hardware dev kits. They are called DRC (Display Remote Controller). It seems they aren't systematically "linked" with the system dev kits if you prefer.

He exchanged words back and forth with ... I think it was lherre. Enough was stated for the other, already confirmed fellow to convince him that he was legit.

Not me (as he is not a mod and it wasn't my goal) but my information tend to be legit, yes. Actually, it start to be fun that every time i write a message, a post need others to repeat that, it will never end

 

[Azure J]

Ok, here's that Smash cover I said I would make:


I think it turned out nicely.

Needs a StarTropics palm tree in there somewhere, but overall, awesome.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

current HD games on the level of AssCreed 3 visuals are good enough for me as far as Nintendo is concerned let the other guys push forward we can drool over the visuals of those too

I don't think the WiiU can be as lacking visually as the Wii did we are a long way away from blocky polygons and no shaders

 

[TheCongressman1]

Needs a StarTropics palm tree in there somewhere, but overall, awesome.

I wouldn't want to spoil the unlockable characters, he he.

 

[HylianTom]

current HD games on the level of AssCreed 3 visuals are good enough for me as far as Nintendo is concerned let the other guys push forward we can drool over the visuals of those too

I don't think the WiiU can be as lacking visually as the Wii did we are a long way away from blocky polygons and no shaders

I'm sure that some characters around here will glom-onto an unflattering screenshot and attempt to turn it into CarVault: 2012 Edition. Just wait and see.

 

[TunaLover]

we need more IdeaMans in this thread I would love to have 5 more posters like him that post reasonable guesswork than the OMG Microsoft stuff going on for the last 24 hoursI believe IdeaMan, because if he is wrong think about it for a moment... where would the direction on the WiiU be at this point if he is wrong? mostly everything we have heard lines up well enough

and its not like Nintendo will give us a specs sheet at E3 or third parties will share anymore details of dev kits than they do now after launch.

we won't know until someone cracks open a final retail U

But that was a like a punch below the bell, I was completely fine with the Wii U being a little weaker than PS4/720 but still in the same ballpark, but this news about 720 being insane batshit insane, detroy all my hope in next gen.

 

[Agent Unknown]

I've been talking with IdeaMan, I think he is legit and the real deal. I've never seen him acting in any other way.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm sure that some characters around here will glom-onto an unflattering screenshot and attempt to turn it into CarVault: 2012 Edition. Just wait and see.

if only we could keep those devs away from the system :|

Oh well Microsoft survived Wally "WallGuy"

 

[Azure J]

I'm sure that some characters around here will glom-onto an unflattering screenshot and attempt to turn it into CarVault: 2012 Edition. Just wait and see.

I just realized that I'm going to be on the forefront of something like that developing at launch and laughed a little. I came to GAF because of Wii's 2007-8 year (re: Brawl) and the jokes were fucking everywhere. I hope this release brings a little more festivities on both sides for me to enjoy.

 

[Lupin the Third]

OT: The host segments in that episode are excellent.

 

[Oddduck]

Okay lets say that the next Xbox really was 9 or 10x more powerful than the 360, should we be afraid?

I mean the IGN article seems to be wrong about Wii U being 5x more powerful so that means its probably wrong about next Xbox being 6x more powerful.

Microsoft has the money to get whatever they want. They can take losses better than other companies.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Not me (as he is not a mod and it wasn't my goal) but my information tend to be legit, yes. Actually, it start to be fun that every time i write a message, a post need others to repeat that, it will never end

Ah snap, I thought you were indirectly confirmed through an existing dev guy. So have you really not been confirmed at all?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

But that was a like a punch below the bell, I was completely fine with the Wii U being a little weaker than PS4/720 but still in the same ballpark, but this news about 720 being insane batshit insane, detroy all my hope in next gen.

if that happens then the WiiU is dirt cheap and Nintendo is forced to launch a new hardware in 2016

I'll be old as fuck anyhow so can only spend money on one platform

 

[IdeaMan]

we need more IdeaMans in this thread I would love to have 5 more posters like him that post reasonable guesswork than the OMG Microsoft stuff going on for the last 24 hours

I believe IdeaMan, because if he is wrong think about it for a moment... where would the direction on the WiiU be at this point if he is wrong? mostly everything we have heard lines up well enough

and its not like Nintendo will give us a specs sheet at E3 or third parties will share anymore details of dev kits than they do now after launch.

we won't know until someone cracks open a final retail U

thanks but really, the thread is already full of gafers posting interesting informations. It's just a pity that a lot of their messages are overlooked and drowned in the middle of heated (but still cool) debates concerning the Wii U power vs Xbox 3. The wsippel's post in regard of CPU was very interesting, and i thought it would have generated interesting discussions (this is why i decided to write this dev kit tidbit later) but it wasn't really the case in the end. This is the same for a lot of other member's posts (i'll not list all of them because i don't want to offend people that i may forget at the moment).

This is in part why i tend to emphasize and tease in advance my information, to avoid this situation. We must have a way to underline/make messages like that more visible in the middle of this giant consolidated thread.

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Ah snap, I thought you were indirectly confirmed through an existing dev guy. So have you really not been confirmed at all?

You could say i'm half-confirmed. Me, it's not important actually, it's my information, as i explained, i tried to make what i know legit by revealing nearly all of it to lherre, who is legit, and then you are aware of his answer in this thread. That's the real matter. I have indeed Wii U legit informations thanks to some sources.

 

[AceBandage]

Okay lets say that the next Xbox really was 9 or 10x more powerful than the 360, should we be afraid?

I mean the IGN article seems to be wrong about Wii U being 5x more powerful so that means its probably wrong about next Xbox being 6x more powerful.

Microsoft has the money to get whatever they want. They can take losses better than other companies.

Afraid of what, exactly?
We still have no idea what the Wii U is packing, or how the industry or consumers will perceive it.

 

[Door2Dawn]

Okay lets say that the next Xbox really was 9 or 10x more powerful than the 360, should we give a flying fuck?

No.

 

[Oddduck]

Afraid of what, exactly?
We still have no idea what the Wii U is packing, or how the industry or consumers will perceive it.

Well let me give you an example.

Do you think we will continue doing 5 year generations?

Or will Xbox 720/PS4 be 10 year generation? If you're packing 9 or 10x more power than the current gen consoles, do they really need to put out a console every 5 years?

 

[IdeaMan]

Intriguing information, IdeaMan. If that SDK is indeed the "final" version, I hope developers can start to use phrasing with a little more sense it in and that something accurate may be officially confirmed. While I doubt Nintendo is going to issue a press release declaring that they just shipped the final dev kits of Wii U, it'd be nice if someone (at Nintendo or other larger studio, Crytek e.g.) could just step up and say "we're working with the final version of the Wii U dev kit". Hopefully this will end or at least slow down the nervous yada yada of Wii U being one day 50% more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 whilst another day it's just on par with them. Especially considering the latest comments from Vigil.

So, third party developers will receive the V5 SDK's before the end of Nintendo's FY11 (ends 31st of March)?

Yes, well at least the biggest of them

Edit: oh and Wii U SDK are different than the hardware dev kits. They are currently at the revision 5 of the system dev kit, and at the SDK 2.X (i think it's 2.0X at the moment, maybe more). I don't know if V5 dev kits are shipped with a hypothetic SDK 2.1/2.2/3.0.

 

[AceBandage]

Well let me give you an example.

Do you think we will continue doing 5 year generations?

Or will Xbox 720/PS4 be 10 year generation? If you're packing 9 or 10x more power than the current gen consoles, do you really need to put out a console every 5 years?

Completely depends on starting price.
The 360 won't last 10 years (though it'll be close).
Technology is always evolving, and I don't see them letting a system ride for 10 years without a successor coming out in that period, regardless of what they throw under the hood.
Developers will always demand more and more, and if MS is bending now, they'll bend then.
It's a pretty bad, and short term, business model.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

Okay lets say that the next Xbox really was 9 or 10x more powerful than the 360, should we be afraid?

I mean the IGN article seems to be wrong about Wii U being 5x more powerful so that means its probably wrong about next Xbox being 6x more powerful.

Microsoft has the money to get whatever they want. They can take losses better than other companies.

I don't understand why people should be afraid of that.So what if the next xbox is 10x more powerful let them dig themselves deeper hole to throw money into.If power is really that important to people just get a wii-u for Nintendo games and get a xbox3 for everything else.

 

[HylianTom]

I just realized that I'm going to be on the forefront of something like that developing at launch and laughed a little. I came to GAF because of Wii's 2007-8 year (re: Brawl) and the jokes were fucking everywhere. I hope this release brings a little more festivities on both sides for me to enjoy.

Indeed. I think we're practically guaranteed to have laughs and drama in all directions. The word "shitstorm" comes to mind.

BTW.. did you catch my fantasy E3 teaser?

a yo-yo flies across the screen, returning to the palm of its unseen owner. The sounds of seagulls and ocean waves are heard in the background as the volume slowly but steadily increases. Then, an orchestrated version of the theme music begins, and we see a brief scene at a shipbuilding facility, with the sun peeking from the horizon - it is the Sub-C, hanging from heavy iron chains, slowly being released into the water. The screen fades to black, and the words "Holiday 2013" appear on the screen. Fin.

It's gonna be Reggie's "one last thing" this year!

 

[fabricated backlash]

Well let me give you an example.

Do you think we will continue doing 5 year generations?

Or will Xbox 720/PS4 be 10 year generation? If you're packing 9 or 10x more power than the current gen consoles, do they really need to put out a console every 5 years?

10 year cycles will give you brand fatigue around the 6 year mark. It would be too easy for another company to come in and steal your thunder with a new product.

10 year shelf life is a noble goal, but 10 year relevance is simply a pipedream.

 

[Agent Unknown]

OT: The host segments in that episode are excellent.

OT: I also love Pod People because it was the first Joel episode I ever watched. That and the riffing is fantastic and the movie is a terrible mix of 1980s horror and a bizarre ET rip off, the perfect storm.

Slightly on topic: Wii U app store needs a dedicated YouTube app ASAP so I can watch unreleased MST3K episodes on my TV again (which I used to be able to do all the time with Wii Opera until they or Nintendo gave up on updating it, not even YouTube XL works anymore).

 

[IdeaMan]

That's a juicy bet. =) Would we get to choose which character? Because Dixie Kong in a bikini is my main nomination right now!

Please, not a too-revealed/stripped/naked character
But i'm 95% sure that i'll win this bet.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

thanks but really, the thread is already full of gafers posting interesting informations. It's just a pity that a lot of their messages are overlooked and drowned in the middle of heated (but still cool) debates concerning the Wii U power vs Xbox 3. The wsippel's post in regard of CPU was very interesting, and i thought it would have generated interesting discussions (this is why i decided to write this dev kit tidbit later) but it wasn't really the case in the end. This is the same for a lot of other member's posts (i'll not list all of them because i don't want to offend people that i may forget at the moment).

This is in part why i tend to emphasize and tease in advance my information, to avoid this situation. We must have a way to underline/make messages like that more visible in the middle of this giant consolidated thread.

oh no doubt many others do drop hints and they may know many more sources or have hands on with the real deal devkit but they cannot really talk about it as openly

the chip tech guys are my favorite to read from they thread they know who they are

 

[herzogzwei1989]

off-topic:

Do you think Microsoft and AMD will build a GPU with another EDRAM daughter die with at least 1 TeraBits/sec bandwidth?

Note that the XB360 has an EDRAM daughter die with 256/GigaBits/sec bandwidth. So 1 TeraBits/sec would only be 4x the current XB360.

 

[HylianTom]

Please, not a too-revealed/stripped/naked character
But i'm 95% sure that i'll win this bet.

I'm feeling pretty confident as well. The demos alone have me feeling good.

---

As far as fearing Microsoft? Poppycock!

 

[bgassassin]

Increasingly I think the early launch is one of the biggest points in Wii U's favor from the standpoint of getting development focus.

I agree and having a couple solid 1st party games with two or three 3rd party titles that effectively utilize the controller can be a big difference between Wii U's lead time and 360's lead time.

I think Nintendo needs to finish up their hardware around now to start production. If the devkits haven't finished up it does probably still mean that the Wii U hasn't entered production yet. I think that rules out a June or July release at least, for what it's worth.

Yep. At this stage in time we'd probably be looking at September at the earliest.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Nintendo really has nothing to lose here I just cannot wait for the games.

I am insanely pleased with Kid Icarus right now its been a while since a game has captured my attention and time so much.

its too bad I cannot own every system because they all seem to have some great exclusives a gamer must experience but I don't have that kind of money to put into this hobby

I want MS to go for 10-15x WiiU that would be glorious because it means the next Nintendo platform after WiiU has a goal post :3

 

[Gahiggidy]

OMG you are that Gahiggidy :O you are my hero :O

~10 times more powerful than N64

Sooo...

1996 (N64) >> 1999 >> (DC) = 3 years and a 10-fold increase in performance.

That comes out to to 3.3 times more power for each year.

2005 (360) >> 2012 (Wii U) = 7 years and a 2-fold increase in performance.

That's a 0.28 increase in power for every year. How is that possible? (This is a fucking nightmare).

 

[TunaLover]

I want MS to go for 10-15x WiiU that would be glorious because it means the next Nintendo platform after WiiU has a goal post :3

We always lagging behind... =/
Sometimes it's really hard to be a Nintendo fan u___u

 

[Twenty7KVN]

We always lagging behind... =/
Sometimes it's really hard to be a Nintendo fan u___u

For you maybe but i'm happy being a Nintendo right now great 3ds software and a new system on the horizon great time for me .

 

[herzogzwei1989]

I want MS to go for 10-15x WiiU that would be glorious because it means the next Nintendo platform after WiiU has a goal post :3

^ XB3 being 15x Wii U would be fucking batshit crazy insane!

 

[Oddduck]

I want MS to go for 10-15x WiiU that would be glorious because it means the next Nintendo platform after WiiU has a goal post :3

lol that would be funny.

Nintendo would think "Goddamnit, now THAT has to be our bare minimum with the next console. Microsoft trying to put us out of business!"

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Sooo...

1996 (N64) >> 1999 >> (DC) = 3 years and a 10-fold increase in performance.

That comes out to to 3.3 times more power for each year.

2005 (360) >> 2012 (Wii U) = 7 years and a 2-fold increase in performance.

That's a 0.28 increase in power for every year. How is that possible? (This is a fucking nightmare).

Technological progress (rate wise) isn't what it used to be.