Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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XIII-2-2 to be Wii Thwii exclusive.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if FFXIII Versus was a launch title for the U, or even if it was an exclusive. I think that they've got a lot to gain from having a high adoption rate for that console in Japan. With DQ X right around the corner, along with the inevitable FFXIV 2.0 release, there's a lot of money ready for them to make.
I also think it would also be a wise move for Nintendo to moneyhat them. If they can get some of these JP handheld developers to move to the U as their development platform, they'll get some exclusive fodder to feed their USA market. Add in Nintendo's first party development and Western multiplats, and Nintendo would easily have the best offering next-gen.
I also think it would also be a wise move for Nintendo to moneyhat them. If they can get some of these JP handheld developers to move to the U as their development platform, they'll get some exclusive fodder to feed their USA market. Add in Nintendo's first party development and Western multiplats, and Nintendo would easily have the best offering next-gen.
I doubt they're going to have FFvXIII for launch. That would compete with DQX. No way will S-E want to cannibalize their own sales.
Not to mention you're understimating how long FFvXIII will get here. At the very least 1 years. probably 2.
Me too, Square usually love shovelling some launch exclusives, don't they? Imagine the fan tears though, omigod.
I just want sweet glorious Retro-SiliconKnights Eternal Darkness II.
I haven't played them, but I would question whether or not those two games will even compete in the same market as each other. Do other people view them as similar? I don't. I also haven't been keeping track of the development for vXIII, I had no idea it was still so far away.
z0m3le said:
Maybe one is Miyamoto's project?
From what I've heard of it, it was mediocre overall. They might as well make a new game at this point instead of trying to fix what's broken.
and Nintendo will never willingly let them create their own game. They're called Retro for a reason.
I don't, I don't want retro to waste their time on it, and I think Silicon Knights if they were doing it, could do it on their own with some Nintendo oversight to tell them that their sliding targeting system in too human sucks.
Nintendo will use what resources they have to fill whatever holes they have... and a new IP is something we know Nintendo is working on, a western IP would change their standing with the hard core dramatically. Besides lets stop looking at Metroid Prime as some sort of refresh of an old IP, it was a Revolutionary set for the series, that has little to do with Super Metroid beyond the subject material.
sorry for the DP
EAD, I guess? That's basically their 3 biggest studios, not counting things like Project Sora. I doubt the NST game is Wii U; it's most likely 3DS. Then again, you never know.
No not really similar at all. But there's potential for either to cannibalize the other's sales. General consumers wouldn't usually pick two RPGs at launch from the same developer.
Retro's art ability would be mega kickass though. Imagine if one of the sanity effects was that things turned to silhouette of ghosts or something?
If I get anymore desperate for info, I might sneak into their studio and find out, but I imagine it's either Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D or Wave Race 3DS, though I wouldn't mind a 1080o game.
Retro's art ability would be mega kickass though. Imagine if one of the sanity effects was that things turned to silhouette of ghosts or something?
I actually bought Too Human because I was a fan of SK's ED and even liked Twin Snakes, but I returned too human inside the first week so i could get something else, so I would rather SK have some help, but I don't think the art in Too Human was ugly, it was just the game played so disconnected with everything that was going on... it would probably make a great iPhone game.
I really want Retro on something new.
If FFvXIII does happen, I will worship you and grovel for more predictions in the future
Although saying that exclusives will return is rather bold. I honestly think that in today's age of high production values and HD graphics, publishers want it on as many platforms as they can.
If this turns out to be a dud, heads will roll
My prognosticating prowess is quite solid, since I've been perfecting my abilities for the past 10 years in the console gaming market, and some of it I still keep to myself just because some of it is a bit.... out there. I'm right more often than I would like to be, as being right usually comes with unexpected consequences.
I predicted the death of Sega as far back as the Saturn launch, but then the Dreamcast hit and I BEGGED to be wrong.
I then predicted that Sega would fracture their fan base by putting the wrong franchises on the wrong consoles. Now most of their franchises are dead or dying because of low sales due to such a miscalculation, with only a few new ones coming from them internally.
I predicted that Sony's lack of repeating full domination this gen would mean that Japanese developers would either have to suck it up and bring titles to Wii or drive themselves into the background.
Unexpected consequence: Japanese games continued to be made for HD consoles, but it wasn't HD that killed them this gen, it was MULTI-PLATFORM HD development that made Japan look completely ineffectual and irrelevant beyond even what I could predict, as up until now, Japanese developers have been able to rely on developing a game for a single platform to drive sales, only resorting to an after-release port if they were desperate. Portable gaming EXPLODES as Japanese developers used it as a life-raft to make it through the generation.
That last one is the basis for my talk about the return of the exclusive... Japan was banking on one console outperforming others, but they bet on the wrong one (PS3) and suffered the consequences of being forced to multi-plat like the west to meet sales targets.
If Japan's 3rd-parties see an opportunity to have another PS2 in Japan that is close enough power-wise to other systems that there's less risk involved, the dog pile will commence and Japanese HD development will explode IN CONJUNCTION with the return of the exclusive. It will likely take time while they continue to hedge bets, and many will still continue to multi-plat, but the 3rd-party exclusive is not going to die outright if Japan has anything to say about it.
I honestly just want them to use the name, it has a nice ring to it I think.
I see their quote about cooperating with 3rd parties not thought of before to be filling holes in their portfolio, which are western focused IPs. Maybe Nintendo could be codeveloping a new IP with another developer, like that Sonic Dimensions rumour, but instead with western studios. They could potentially do something like Geist again, but with better results due to cooperating with more experienced devs like Crytek or Valve.
And I do agree Metroid Prime is a seperate entity than the traditional Metroid games. However, Retro is still confined within the Nintendo IP universe. It doesn't matter how revolutionary the game is since it's still working with an IP that is not their own. Their take on StarTropics, just as an hypothetical example, could be widely constrasting and even better with what the original source was like. But they're still not doing their own IP.
I like you Terrell you are a bold mother- shutyourmouth.
....and I tend to agree. Although I think the 3DS is succeeding moreso due to that PS2 mentality. The wii wasn't nearly as successful in Japan as the DS.
I'd like to know what your predictions for Wii U launch lineup are, and if you think they'll keep the name.
What did nomura say exactly reguarding FF VS XIII and Wii U?
anyhow i can already picture the "betrayalton" claims if that really gets announced...
I agree, Retro proved that they can actually manage a new IP, and i think that nintendo will give them the opportunity to prove themselves in this generation.
Let's be honest, i don't think they'd be hiring some many high-profile industry veterans just to continue do sequel and remakes.
anyhow i can already picture the "betrayalton" claims if that really gets announced...
I agree, Retro proved that they can actually manage a new IP, and i think that nintendo will give them the opportunity to prove themselves in this generation.
Let's be honest, i don't think they'd be hiring some many high-profile industry veterans just to continue do sequel and remakes.
I think this is what was said:
"Tetsuya Nomura says in this week's Famitsu that he's almost ready with preparations for sharing new Final Fantasy Versus XIII info. So does that mean we can expect an update soon?
Apparently not. According to Nomura, certain circumstances, which he describes as "totally unrelated," are preventing him from sharing the info. He also said that he's not allowed to talk about the situation, so all he can do is continue engaging in discussions. Discussions with who? He didn't say."
Sounds reasonable to me that it would be in discussion with Nintendo. I can't think of who else it might be.
Basically, he was going to talk about the game and show screens in Famitsu, but something "totally unrelated" to the game itself prevented him from doing so at the 11th hour.
Many of us read "[something] totally unrelated" as "Nintendo ninjas", for obvious reasons.
Can't wait to see the news.
z0m3le, an avid internet game forumer, has just been arrested for attempted trespassing of NST, a game development company owned by Nintendo. He resisted several policemen, swinging a replica Master Sword around threateningly. Eventually, he was taken down and released shortly after but something tells me we won't see the last of z0m3le.
XD It is a pretty good name.
Hmm, interesting predictions. Do you think we will see Nintendomination next gen since, according to you, at least more than a few 3rd parties will be exclusive to Wii U and almost all will be multiplat?
But why. If Retro was told to do a StarTropics game, they may as well do a new IP since only the disturbingly devoted like Ace even know that's a thing.
The Dimensions rumor was debunked I believe, I do think that Nintendo could be bringing a Crytek game to the system, there is also a rumor that Crytek is working with EA I think.
I am not saying that Retro deserves to make their own IP, that isn't my argument at all, I think that a business won't look at things that way; however, I see Nintendo buying a lot of talent for Retro, and seeing as how new IPs at launch are better received than any other time, and IP remakes are received well because they have fans somewhere, as an indicator of Retro making a NEW IP, and not a remake, like you said Retro is one of Nintendo's biggest studios, and they are rumored to be making 3 new IPs, one is probably from Miyamoto, but you still have 2 to account for, Retro might have someone else in the driving seat, but it most likely is a new IP and something like Star Tropics would have to sell well as a VC first, even Sin and Punishment did at least that much.
ok, this is totally screaming "NDA"
it's either Wii U or PS4 at this point...
Sony still says PS4 won't be mentioned at E3 this year, I think they are better off waiting to see what Xbox3 ends up being and just slightly leap frogging them again.
the other option could be Vita, but i don't think that after so many years of development hell they would really move it to portables.
A port? extremely possible but that wouldn't not force him not to show PS3 screens...
so it must be next gen related, and i can't see it moving to xbox360, even if i'm sure that thread would be comedy gold
Regardless of what sony is saying i stand by my claim, PS4 or Wii U
Someone brought up Geist. If I remember correctly, one of it's criticisms was there was always only one specific way to scare targets. Given that Crysis's gameplay was designed around being able to handle any situation has you saw fit, Crytek might be a good choice for a second go at it.
It could be Microsoft, you know. Or alternatively, something else completely. It does sound like Nintendo Ninjas but come on, we're pretty biased.
First, let me clarify that I think Retro should and has proved they can handle their own IP. I think they should do their own IP in between releasing Nintendo IP revivals, to appease Iwata and giving them a balance.
In fact, it should be in Nintendo's best interest for them to create their own IP since Nintendo's own IP portfolio doesn't have many purely western focused IPs. However, I just don't see Nintendo releasing them from their namesake.
Anyway, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...You're absolutely right that ST would need to be tested first, and even then, it's unlikely it will be greenlighted.
Realistically, I see them doing DKCR2 or an offshoot into a DK64 type game.
and Dimensions was bunked?
As said, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...
I just used it since Ace was pushing it so hard that it stuck in my head
Seems kind of lame to think FF13-Versus will hit Wii U without any previous FF13.
I guess a FF13/FF13-2 combo could hit the system at launch.
....as for Retro, if they bring back a franchise that hasn't had a release since pre-N64 era, it basically is a new IP. Kid Icarus, for all intents and purposes, is a new IP with new branding. It just had source material. Startropic would be the same.
I guess a FF13/FF13-2 combo could hit the system at launch.
....as for Retro, if they bring back a franchise that hasn't had a release since pre-N64 era, it basically is a new IP. Kid Icarus, for all intents and purposes, is a new IP with new branding. It just had source material. Startropic would be the same.
Yup. I'll be extremely surprised if PS4 gets more than a teasing mention at E3 this year. Xbox Fusion I expect to have some sort of presentation or 'first look' at.
the other option could be Vita, but i don't think that after so many years of development hell they would really move it to portables.
A port? extremely possible but that wouldn't not force him not to show PS3 screens...
so it must be next gen related, and i can't see it moving to xbox360, even if i'm sure that thread would be comedy gold
Regardless of what sony is saying i stand by my claim, PS4 or Wii U
I doubt SE would move mainline FF to handhelds. Mainline FF is all about big production values, elaborate cutscenes etc: a console experience. Vita will get Type-1 offshoot series.
Vita getting a port seems unlikely but it could happen, I guess.
If it moved to Xbox360, the meltdowns would be amazing.
It could be Microsoft, you know. Or alternatively, something else completely. It does sound like Nintendo Ninjas but come on, we're pretty biased.
First, let me clarify that I think Retro should and has proved they can handle their own IP. I think they should do their own IP in between releasing Nintendo IP revivals, to appease Iwata and giving them a balance.
In fact, it should be in Nintendo's best interest for them to create their own IP since Nintendo's own IP portfolio doesn't have many purely western focused IPs. However, I just don't see Nintendo releasing them from their namesake.
Anyway, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...You're absolutely right that ST would need to be tested first, and even then, it's unlikely it will be greenlighted.
Realistically, I see them doing DKCR2 or an offshoot into a DK64 type game.
and Dimensions was bunked?
As said, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...
I just used it since Ace was pushing it so hard that it stuck in my head
Yeah, I posted it on the last page. The debunking.
Wiiugo:It could be Microsoft, you know. Or alternatively, something else completely. It does sound like Nintendo Ninjas but come on, we're pretty biased.
First, let me clarify that I think Retro should and has proved they can handle their own IP. I think they should do their own IP in between releasing Nintendo IP revivals, to appease Iwata and giving them a balance.
In fact, it should be in Nintendo's best interest for them to create their own IP since Nintendo's own IP portfolio doesn't have many purely western focused IPs. However, I just don't see Nintendo releasing them from their namesake.
Anyway, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...You're absolutely right that ST would need to be tested first, and even then, it's unlikely it will be greenlighted.
Realistically, I see them doing DKCR2 or an offshoot into a DK64 type game.
and Dimensions was bunked?
As said, Star Tropics was just a hypothetical example...
I just used it since Ace was pushing it so hard that it stuck in my head
Takashi Iizuka, the head of Sonic Team, finally put an end to the rumour that Sonic Dimensions was in the works for the Wii U. When asked to confirm or deny the rumour, he denied it outright:
Sonic Dimensions? [Laughs] I think its a complete hoax. [Laughs]
Shame Sonic Dimensions would have been a fine addition to the Wii Us growing library of awesome, but we cant have everything.
As for Retro, we will have to wait and see, but the talent they have hired coupled with what the one guy from the uncharted team said about the project he is working on at Retro now "This could be my crowning achievement in my career" -paraphrased
That is something someone doesn't say about DKCR2 or some other sequel or remake, I'm bias sure, but there is plenty of crumbs to follow.
I see a lot of things about next gen that completely terrify me, but not Nintendo.
Let me put it this way: Sony has never been last to launch since entering the market and Microsoft have investors hungry for something that resembles PROFIT from the Xbox venture after 10 years of not seeing any. Depending on how MS and Sony play off each other, if Nintendo can keep out of it and just steer their course, one of the other 2 will destroy their rival, at the expense of the opportunity to lead the market. I feel like we're going back to a 2-pony race within the next 5 years.
The name will stay because Nintendo will gamble that their presentation at E3 will destroy any stigma the brand has among the hardcore gamer and can still leverage the brand to casual gamers.
Launch title predictions are tricky, given that I have almost nothing to work with to deliver any (thank you very much, Nintendo ninjas! *shakes fist*)
But to be vague, I see Nintendo courting franchises, developers and publishers that never wanted to do business with them on prior systems (we have already seen a tiny sliver of that via Tekken on WiiU), especially ones that don't currently have a presence on PS360. Just so they can show up at E3 and say "how you like me now??!?" to Sony and MS, knowing that Nintendo will essentially have THEIR market for the next whole year at bare minimum.
EDIT: I would like to add, though, that considering there's so little to go on information-wise and VERY little to draw from historically, I'm not going to call these predictions a definitive like I have with others.
Oh sweet jeebus I'd laugh.
He showed up in Smash, but of course you know that
So if Mike Jones shows up in the next smash, then we might see someone make star tropics, it could be monolith for all in tents and purposes, they would be a good choice for something like that as well.
Again, why would they try to fix a niche, flawed game rather than making a new IP or, i dunno, TimeSplitters?
I personally envision a Crytek exclusive a la Gears of War but that's just wishful dreaming.
afaik, FFvXIII doesn't have any real connection with the mainline XIII ones, except for being set in the Fabula Nova Crystallis world.
A FFXIII/-2 port would also work. and SE would be happy to gain more sales to recoup more profit with minimal port work, since Wii U is similar to Xbox360 architecture for devs.
Yes, I can see Retro reviving a franchise so dead and forgetten, it's basically new.
Of course, you just agreed that that franchise would be tested in some way first, which is the only time Nintendo has revived a franchise. They revive franchises from more than just Retro too, Treasure did the Sin and Punishment game I believe, and Monolith soft would be better suited for Star Tropics IMO, Though Retro is probably capable of doing it, it's not something an uncharted guy would be so excited about.
Because like you, I can dream, even if I'm awake.
He showed up in Smash, but of course you know that
So if Mike Jones shows up in the next smash, then we might see someone make star tropics, it could be monolith for all in tents and purposes, they would be a good choice for something like that as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but would a modern version of Startropics basically be Uncharted set in an alien world? Replace the gunplay maybe.
FFFF. This thread is all about broken dreams and fanboy tears ;_; I wanted Sonic Dimensions.
Wasn't the crowning achievement quote referring to that guy working on illustrations for his brother's novel?
I just though DK would be a logical revival since DKCR sold so well. Not to mention that bananas tease I think Eurogamer (don't quite remember who?)had.
If everything goes as you planned, then yes, I can see Nintendomination next gen with Sony possibly bowing out. But I don't want to see Sony gone. Competition breeds innovation, yadda yadda, you've all heard enough of this but it's pretty true. I'd rather see Microsoft leave but they aren't stopping until they've got the living room under their stranglehold.
Wii carries such a strong connotation, I'm not sure one awesome presentation will eradicate the stigma attached to it.
and I want some awesome collaborations happening. That 3DS BamcoxCapcomxSega feels like just one tiny step to that direction.
Nintendo x Valve would be delicious.
MetroidxPortal. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah
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