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[bgassassin]

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Could you remind me of other stuff that person told you about? We might be getting somewhere, here.

Back in January I was told and posted here that new kits had came out.

I was told about Nintendo having more hardware/tech providers for Wii U than previous consoles.

And an indication, though vague, that 1T-SRAM wouldn't be used. I say vague because more emphasis during our talk was more on IBM's eDRAM (nothing noteworthy). And when I asked about 1T-SRAM he said he could neither confirm nor deny it was being used. So I thought it was kind of strange he was fine with talking about the eDRAM, but not the 1T-SRAM.

This is an excellent opportunity to explain to some of they younger ones what 1T-SRAM is and its history with Nintendo.

*paging blu*

He's one of the people around here that can give you a good amount of info on it while sitting in his rocking chair.

 

[tkscz]

Back in January I was told and posted here that new kits had came out.

I was told about Nintendo having more hardware/tech providers for Wii U than previous consoles.

And an indication, though vague, that 1T-SRAM wouldn't be used. I say vague because more emphasis during our talk was more on IBM's eDRAM (nothing noteworthy). And when I asked about 1T-SRAM he said he could neither confirm nor deny it was being used. So I thought it was kind of strange he was fine with talking about the eDRAM, but not the 1T-SRAM.



*paging blu*

He's one of the people around here that can give you a good amount of info on it while sitting in his rocking chair.

Wish you didn't say that, you know how people take things like that and turn them COMPLETELY negative.

Also, I believe that it'll be 2GB of GDDR3 or 5 (Nintendo is known for having fast RAM). Shared, with 32MB of eDRAM on the CPU.

Speaking of the CPU, I wonder what it's L1 and L2 caches will be? Probably L1: 256KB per core and L2: 512KB per core.

 

[HylianTom]

are you calling miya-samus a liar?

Miya-Samus may be dangerously flirty..
and unusually flexible..
and talented with her tongue -

but she don't lie!

 

[BY2K]

Miya-Samus may be dangerously flirty..
and unusually flexible..
and talented with her tongue -

but she don't lie!

DUDE!

STOP THAT!

 

[Wiz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeebo

looks like ...... wtf

Is this how they plan on combating angry players who throw their controllers?

 

[snowdog1971]

NOBODY HYPED FOR ROAD TO E3 YET

Lmfao, this is a work of pure genius!!! Very Python-esque too. Love it!

 

[BY2K]

NOBODY HYPED FOR ROAD TO E3 YET

Fucking... BRILLIANT!

 

[bgassassin]

Wish you didn't say that, you know how people take things like that and turn them COMPLETELY negative.

Also, I believe that it'll be 2GB of GDDR3 or 5 (Nintendo is known for having fast RAM). Shared, with 32MB of eDRAM on the CPU.

Speaking of the CPU, I wonder what it's L1 and L2 caches will be? Probably L1: 256KB per core and L2: 512KB per core.

I hope not. He just didn't say anything about it that we could use to learn something. In fact it was in reference to a discussion that had occurred in the first thread.

Also the L2 cache is split. One core has a larger amount than the other and so far the target total is 3MB. My guess was 1.5MB/768KB/768KB, but 2MB/512KB/512KB and 2.5MB/256KB/256KB are also possible. This based on the 3MB not being increased.

 

[MidnightScott]

In other trademark news, Nintendo also registered "The Last Ranger," and "Saigo no Youjinbou" (maybe... "Last Bodyguard").

Hype

 

[HylianTom]

Nibel, that's a masterpiece.

"..a fucking TRAIN" had me giggling..

 

[Rösti]

Wish you didn't say that, you know how people take things like that and turn them COMPLETELY negative.

Also, I believe that it'll be 2GB of GDDR3 or 5 (Nintendo is known for having fast RAM). Shared, with 32MB of eDRAM on the CPU.

Speaking of the CPU, I wonder what it's L1 and L2 caches will be? Probably L1: 256KB per core and L2: 512KB per core.

The POWER7 default is 32 KB I cache/32 KB D cache, 256KB L2 per core and 32MB on chip eDRAM shared L3. So that suggestion seems about right, I wonder though if the eDRAM could be even higher, perhaps at 64MB, I'm also eager to know its random cycle performance, in 2010 it was at 600 MHz.

 

[BY2K]

They put my face on a fucking train!

 

[bgassassin]

Nibel, that's a masterpiece.

"..a fucking TRAIN" had me giggling..

And yet he said he wasn't that good with gifs.

 

[jimi_dini]

(Pikmin 3) It won't be a system-seller by any means, but it assuredly exists.

It will sell at least 1 system.

Spoiler

mine

 

[IdeaMan]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

 

[AceBandage]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

What a tease.

 

[Christine]

How trivial is swapping out eDRAM for 1T-SRAM for whatever SOC or whatever we're presuming is doing the Wii BC?

 

[HylianTom]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

Evil, evil, evil.. but we'll be here waiting!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

days that is all we have is days... I can wait

 

[fernoca]

Hey guys, I have information but I'm sleepy...bye!!!

 

[AceBandage]

Hey guys, I have information but I'm sleepy...bye!!!

It's French.
It's expected.

 

[NeoRausch]

Duuude you're not gonna belive this groundbraking exclusive wii u news i just got! Paradigm shift and all! The wii u is going to be .... *beep beep* uh oh! Sleepy time! Night! *hugs zeebo controller*

 

[nickcv]

that's almost trolling ideaman XD

anyhow, if the rumor that we won't see nextbox before fall 2013 it's true how do you think that's going to impact on the Wii U and nintendo?
Do you think we'll see an even bigger show at E3 or will they hold back to save something more interesting for next year to contrast microsoft?

 

[bgassassin]

The POWER7 default is 32 KB I cache/32 KB D cache, 256KB L2 per core and 32MB on chip eDRAM shared L3. So that suggestion seems about right, I wonder though if the eDRAM could be even higher, perhaps at 64MB, I'm also eager to know its random cycle performance, in 2010 it was at 600 MHz.

Lherre already told us the L2 cache was split asymmetrically. That's what I was referring to above. But I do wonder if they increased the 32MB of eDRAM.

How trivial is swapping out eDRAM for 1T-SRAM for whatever SOC or whatever we're presuming is doing the Wii BC?

Here's a post from blu.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36064135&postcount=3443

Based on that I would say it's very trivial.

 

[frostbyte]

we finally got some sort of information?

is this real life

 

[NeoRausch]

Hey wait a second! When was the thread title changed? Totally missed that!

 

[bgassassin]

^ I think it happened yesterday.

that's almost trolling ideaman XD

anyhow, if the rumor that we won't see nextbox before fall 2013 it's true how do you think that's going to impact on the Wii U and nintendo?
Do you think we'll see an even bigger show at E3 or will they hold back to save something more interesting for next year to contrast microsoft?

I think they will stick to whatever plans they had. E3 2012 is pretty much theirs for the taking if both Sony and MS are waiting for next year to do a reveal.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

look at this guyyy, too tired.

 

[AceBandage]

Hey wait a second! When was the thread title changed? Totally missed that!

Some mod hates Lupin The Third.

 

[NeoRausch]

Some mod hates Lupin The Third.

...but loves the dreamcast

 

[Fourth Storm]

Yeah, I believe the main advantages of 1t-SRAM came down to it's small size and low latency (6.2 ns according to Wiki). From what I've read IBM's eDRAM is 1/3 the size of other eDRAM tech and achieves a latency of < 2 ns.

I'm wondering how fast the bus from eDRAM to CPU is going to be. For BC purposes, I don't think it needs to be more than 3.2 GB/s. But if they are going to use it as a Mem1/scratchpad, then I can't see that being sufficient.

 

[HylianTom]

that's almost trolling ideaman XD

anyhow, if the rumor that we won't see nextbox before fall 2013 it's true how do you think that's going to impact on the Wii U and nintendo?
Do you think we'll see an even bigger show at E3 or will they hold back to save something more interesting for next year to contrast microsoft?

Part of me hopes that Microsoft takes its sweet time with the 720, giving the U free reign over "next gen" gaming. You can tell, at least from reading around here, that people are starting to get really antsy about wanting new consoles.

Then again, component costs go down and power goes up the longer they wait.. so that could adversely affect the U some time down the road. But if Nintendo can get third-party support lined-up in the first year or so and build momentum, it might not matter.. I'd love to see 'em end-up with a lead that's unsurmountable.

 

[AceBandage]

If MS already has dev kits out (and apparently, they've been out for a while) they aren't going to be super powerful.
They'll be based on at least 2 year old stuff by the time they come out.

 

[nickcv]

Part of me hopes that Microsoft takes its sweet time with the 720, giving the U free reign over "next gen" gaming. You can tell, at least from reading around here, that people are starting to get really antsy about wanting new consoles.

Then again, component costs go down and power goes up the longer they wait.. so that could adversely affect the U some time down the road. But if Nintendo can get third-party support lined-up in the first year or so and build momentum, it might not matter.. I'd love to see 'em end-up with a lead that's unsurmountable.

while i do love nintendo, i do also like competition, and i'm afraid that if Wii U gets total 3rd party support that combined to the unsurmountable strength of nintendo 1st party could turn next gen into a repeat of the ps2 one... and i'm not sure yet if i like that idea...

 

[ShockingAlberto]

If MS already has dev kits out (and apparently, they've been out for a while) they aren't going to be super powerful.
They'll be based on at least 2 year old stuff by the time they come out.

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

 

[Plinko]

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

LOL. Nice.

Edit: Wait, were you serious?

 

[AceBandage]

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

So EA and Activision learned nothing from this generation...
Noted.

 

[TheCongressman1]

being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

They have already proven quite the oposite...

 

[nickcv]

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

call of duty and battlefield: now with 2000 shades of brown! powered by UE4

/trollface

 

[AceBandage]

More explosions ! Bigger explosions ! MOAR POWAAAA!

So, it's the Micheal Bay of games?

 

[AngryMoth]

Ok so I haven't followed any of the Wii U rumours since last e3, but I'm seeing quite a few semi-joke posts relating to how Wii U versions of 3rd party games will be superior to the other consoles. I thought the consensus last year was that it was on par with the 360 in terms of power, maybe a bit more. Have rumours indicated that it will be significantly more powerful?

 

[bgassassin]

Part of me hopes that Microsoft takes its sweet time with the 720, giving the U free reign over "next gen" gaming. You can tell, at least from reading around here, that people are starting to get really antsy about wanting new consoles.

Then again, component costs go down and power goes up the longer they wait.. so that could adversely affect the U some time down the road. But if Nintendo can get third-party support lined-up in the first year or so and build momentum, it might not matter.. I'd love to see 'em end-up with a lead that's unsurmountable.

This is when I go back to the 2-Upad Madden card. If they are getting a full year, then this is one of the main things Nintendo needs to push to get "certain groups" behind them early on if they want to be truly successful IMO.

If MS already has dev kits out (and apparently, they've been out for a while) they aren't going to be super powerful.
They'll be based on at least 2 year old stuff by the time they come out.

Whatever may be in kits now would still most likely be "modernized".

 

[AceBandage]

Ok so I haven't followed any of the Wii U rumours since last e3, but I'm seeing quite a few semi-joke posts relating to how Wii U versions of 3rd party games will be superior to the other consoles. I thought the consensus last year was that it was on par with the 360 in terms of power, maybe a bit more. Have rumours indicated that it will be significantly more powerful?

It will be noticeably more powerful.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

A bit of non-revolutionary information that could narrow further the power range of the Wii U / how third-parties handle the hardware in a specific context, soon (matter of days).

I'm too tired right now so cya guys, the last pages were cool with all the memory data/speculations, good gifs, etc.

Oh man!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

So EA and Activision learned nothing from this generation...
Noted.

They learned plenty.

They learned they can afford AAAA budgets and no other third parties can.

Which means if AAAA is the new median, then they'll be the only ones left standing.

 

[bgassassin]

Ok so I haven't followed any of the Wii U rumours since last e3, but I'm seeing quite a few semi-joke posts relating to how Wii U versions of 3rd party games will be superior to the other consoles. I thought the consensus last year was that it was on par with the 360 in terms of power, maybe a bit more. Have rumours indicated that it will be significantly more powerful?

It was never a consensus. And what info we saw that said that was based on the early kits.

 

[Instro]

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

AAAAAAAAA games incoming.

 

[AceBandage]

They learned plenty.

They learned they can afford AAAA budgets and no other third parties can.

Which means if AAAA is the new median, then they'll be the only ones left standing.

Like I said.
They learned nothing.
Increasing hardware and development costs drastically every 5 years is a good way to crash the industry.
Does EA and the couple other publishers out there really think they can support the entire thing by themselves?
Pretty fucking short sighted.

 

[bgassassin]

I've been hearing that MS is trying to make a full generational leap because they're being told by EA and Activision that it will "fix" the industry.

Interesting, yet not surprising.

They learned plenty.

They learned they can afford AAAA budgets and no other third parties can.

Which means if AAAA is the new median, then they'll be the only ones left standing.

Including one or two consoles that die off if they don't keep their costs in check.

 

[Oddduck]

Ok so I haven't followed any of the Wii U rumours since last e3, but I'm seeing quite a few semi-joke posts relating to how Wii U versions of 3rd party games will be superior to the other consoles. I thought the consensus last year was that it was on par with the 360 in terms of power, maybe a bit more. Have rumours indicated that it will be significantly more powerful?

If developers don't take advantage of the extra power when porting games to Wii U, then they are lazy. At the very least, they should give us full 1080p resolution.