tkscz
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Wait for Nintendo or Capcom to wow us. It always seems to be up to one of them when it comes to Nintendo systems
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Wait for Nintendo or Capcom to wow us. It always seems to be up to one of them when it comes to Nintendo systems
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
A lot of the gaming industry, like this article, treat Nintendo as the geeky kid at school and keep asking why they can't be more like the cool kids who smoke and drink. It really irks them that Nintendo 1) keep doing something different and 2) they usually succeed due to this difference.
I like Nintendo consoles precisely because they offer something different.
Needs to be $300 if the Wii U is going to compete with 360/PS3 in specs instead of 720/PS4. Anything more than $300 is too much.
As you said, PS3/360 prices will coming down. I mean Microsoft is strongly hinting at a new console in late 2013 so it would be ridiculous if 360's price didn't come down significantly around Wii U's release (late 2012).
Their absolutely great polish and quality they put into their work doesnt hurt either.
this + Vigil also wants to sell the game to the PS360 audience -> so they wont make them feel "oh we have to wait for WiiU to get our kick"
I still believe that all the multiplats will look a bit better on WiiU.
Its the 1st generation of games on a new system so its normal that games will not take full advantage of the power.
Twenty7KVN
Member
Hmm i wonder if they have the latest dev kits,because in the interview he said "we have limitations based on Nintendo progress" and goes on to say that "the hardware is pretty on par with the current gen systems".It makes me wonder if Nintendo is slow to roll out the new kits to devs.
That one is out of the question.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I just can't wait to try out a 3D stereo with-glass game on Wii U. Sega's House of the Dead 4 would be my choice, followed by Daytona USA 1/2, followed by After Burner Climax, followed by Namco's Tokey Wars/ I think Nintendo's first and third party games be left without 3D with glasses, I think 3D games should be limited to DD. Simple games. Such as XBLA and PSN.
But that's just me,
But that's just me,
So.. I wanted to throw this out there this morning:
I'm going to the Symphony of the Goddesses in Austin, TX on June 22nd.
Normally, my other half would be going with me - but his sister is getting married in Florida on the 23rd. And after listening to me whine and wish for a Zelda symphony for the better part of the 16 years we've annoyed each other, he understands that I'm skipping the wedding.
The kicker: I still have his ticket. Front row center. Anyone wanna go? It's free - just PM me.
I figured I'd ask NintendoGAF first. Lord knows I spend enough time with you all here. *laughs*
I'm going to the Symphony of the Goddesses in Austin, TX on June 22nd.
Normally, my other half would be going with me - but his sister is getting married in Florida on the 23rd. And after listening to me whine and wish for a Zelda symphony for the better part of the 16 years we've annoyed each other, he understands that I'm skipping the wedding.
The kicker: I still have his ticket. Front row center. Anyone wanna go? It's free - just PM me.
I figured I'd ask NintendoGAF first. Lord knows I spend enough time with you all here. *laughs*
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467549
Next Xbox might be running Samaritan.
If this is true, does it widen up the gap between Wii U specs and the next Xbox's specs? Or do you think Wii U could run Samaritan but downscaled?
Next Xbox might be running Samaritan.
If this is true, does it widen up the gap between Wii U specs and the next Xbox's specs? Or do you think Wii U could run Samaritan but downscaled?
Anyone see this Digital Foundry article speculating on the Wii-U's performance?
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-wii-u-offer-next-gen-power
UE3 on current gen consoles is basically this, though you may get more effects on the Wii-U, such as better tessellation support for example.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-wii-u-offer-next-gen-power
UE3 on current gen consoles is basically this, though you may get more effects on the Wii-U, such as better tessellation support for example.
EvilDick34
Banned
Flame me all you want but unless Nintendo surprises us, it sounds like Nintendo is still dicking it's fanbase around with the WiiU. I think Nintendo needs to get its head out of it's ass and realize you actually have to put forth some effort into the abilities of a new console, not just always making a new type of control input. I think it would be embarrassing if they stick with a console that basically outputs the same graphics capability as the 360 and ps3.
Smiles and Cries
Member
bad news day?
This isn't really fair to Nintendo IMO. They don't have multiple divisions within their company to support huge losses like MS and Sony do. They are a game company and only a game company, so they need to do what they can to at least break even (or at least minimize losses) on hardware right off the bat.
They can't take part in the tech race anymore unless they wish to lose gobs of money and really, they don't need to.
Then you will be disappointed as that's what the WiiU basically does.
aeroslash
Member
Bad Bad news...come on Nintendo, you can't start a console cycle after yelling that you would strengthen your relationship with third parties, like this..
jump_button
Banned
EvilDick34
Banned
I'm not disappointed, i already did that with the Wii. I probably will just go with the next playstation unless Nintendo proves me wrong at E3.
That Durango will run it was clear.
And iirc WiiU will also have no problem with that.
(All in all Samaritan is tech-demo based on a UE3.9x I think)
Only thing that was not so clear (future will tell us) how good UE4 can run on WiiU.
In which case, maybe it's not for him.
Personally, I'd be miserable if I turned-on a gaming machine and one of the first things I looked for was a peniswatt comparison. Especially at this point in graphics evolution, when the difference between high and low is getting ridiculous and almost not worthwhile.
tkscz
Member
What does Nintendo have to do with that? That's all Vigil.
As for the Samaritan thing, we've no idea if the WiiU can run it or not. Hell it barely looks better (if not at all better) than Crytek 3 DX11.
I don't think it's much of a problem though as long as Nintendo's games are great. 3rd parties won't bother anyway, so if you're not interested in Nintendo titles, there's probably not much reason to buy a WiiU.
But you're right, while Wii graphics might have been passable in 2006 and 2007, they just are a bit "disastrous" in 2012. Skyward Sword looked a bit bland and even The Last Story cannot break out of the Wii's technological barriers. Still, I don't believe that we'll see a similar graphical improvement as we've seen this generation.
Twenty7KVN
Member
Nah nextbox stronger than the wii-u by how much we'll just have to wait and see.
$300 is definitely my max if Wii U truly lacks the horsepower to push more polys than the 360/PS3 and utilize the DRC at the same time. But I would happily pay $400, even sans HDD, if the right amount of power is there.
Just kidding, I'm going to buy this thing at launch no matter the price. Just don't tell Reggie.
Sirolf
Member
EvilDick34
Banned
I do love Nintendo, i've personally bought all but two of thier systems. I had never owned another console/portable from another company until this gen when i caved and got a ps3. I just feel like Nintendo threw in the towel and said we can't compete with Sony and Microsoft, i can't be the only one to feel this way.
By the way, the video game industry has a long ways to go to match what pixar does graphically so if the nextbox and PS are beasts, then we will definitely see a noticeable difference graphics wise.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Pipe dream.
Wii U will clearly be the weakest of the three. I highly doubt it is as big of a gap as last generation, but MS isn't launching for another year, allowing for better hardware at a cheaper price than they would at the end of 2012.
If this statement from Vigil is true about the wii u being about on par with current gen I really hope it doesn't hurt 3rd party efforts on the system. I love Nintendo's hardware and games and as long as its priced accordingly I have no problem buying a wii u that's underpowered compared to the nextbox and ps4. But if that means the wii u will be missing out on big 3rd party games then that sucks big time.
JoshuaJSlone
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Wii U may not be able to do 20 times as much as Xbox 360, but to hear some pessimists you'd think it has less improvement than the ATI/NVIDIA cards see from one year to the next.
tkscz
Member
Graphically, all they would really have to do is implement a GPU that supports OpenGL 4.1 or OpenGL ES 2.0 and they wouldn't have to worry about much. It'll be like last gen. The Wii didn't support ANY shader API, using the TEV which was much harder to program for. Notice the 3DS doesn't support custom shaders, but uses OpenGL ES 1.1, which uses programmable/fixed shaders.
I know there is no point discussing it since we won't know for certain until E3, but why on Earth would Nintendo expect to succeed with multi-platform support if the console is yet again behind the curve?
Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about Nintendo having their own franchises in HD (even if it is visually comparable to current generation), but it's gonna look start to look pretty bad if every great game coming out on the next XBox looks as good as a high end PC BF3 or Witcher 2.
bgassassin
Member
This is what some seem to miss.
Reggie saying more info would come out didn't help either.
The question block? That's a perfect idea for BY2K's thread. We have a lot of questions left to be answered.
I have manga/anime-types of abilities. Comes in handy for my line of work. You should see what Nintendo's nin... no you don't want to see it.
That would have no effect on the hardware gap. Whatever the gap is would only change if they changed the hardware. The usage of FXAA helped a lot and at the same time we don't know the resolution it's running on. But when thinking about the formula, I wonder how much of an affect the change to FXAA had on the ops per pixel in their formula.
Twenty7KVN
Member
But that still has nothing to do with hardware performance.And we all know that the nextxbox is going to be stronger than the wii-u.
Edit: and it's not going to be like last gen the wii-u gpu is going to have the same basic functions as the next xbox and the ps4.
I love all those other games that break out of the technological barriers of their systems.
I could've also said that Wii titles look extremely outdated, if you prefer a more direct approach.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
All the e3 leaks usually happen in april/may.
FXAA is ridiculously fast compared to using MSAA + deferred shading (remember, it's N-times the number of samples for each render target for starters). They still run an edge detection to reduce per sample shading requirements, but it's still expensive to do proper MSAA lighting. FXAA is a pretty miniscule shader.
I presume they skip MSAA for the alpha pass as well, which reduces the cost by quite a bit on top of that.
edit:
Benchmarks of BF3 with no AA vs 4xAA can show 4-10 ms impact with a huge cost to memory and bandwidth consumption.
FXAA is just a simple shader with no extra memory cost...
Except we already know that's not the case.
Smiles and Cries
Member
that or like everyone else they cannot talk about Nintendo's WiiU
Nah.. there are plenty of folks who feel that way. In some ways, I understand. I have those "dammit, Nintendo!" moments.
And they really can't compete, so I see it as a case of them being realistic. Nintendo doesn't have gobs of non-gaming money to buy their way into the industry. In some ways, I respect them more for having to find a way to tough it out in this environment; the others would love nothing more than to see them eliminated, and yet they continue on. As has been stated, they can't afford to take the initial losses associated with MS and Sony's business models. All it would take is one PS3-level disaster without a rebound, and suddenly Nintendo would be in a world of financial pain. So Nintendo takes it a bit more slowly.
I'm okay with this. I don't mind them being conservative. At this rate, we still eventually end-up with higher and higher graphical output, but with less risk to the company's existence. And we end-up having to wait a bit longer. I want Nintendo to be around for a long, long time, making beautiful Marios and Zeldas when I'm an old, old man.. and if this is the safest path, that's fine by me.
I think people underestimate how much money Nintendo really has. They assume that because they aren't making TV's, computers, cameras, etc they they can't compete.
Nintendo has had powerful consoles to compete with competitors in the past, and money never seemed to be a problem back then. After all the money they made on Wii and DS, I don't see why money becomes a problem now. I think they have a huge war chest to battle Sony and Microsoft. They just prefer putting out cheap hardware (because there's less risk) and because Nintendo fans will buy anything Nintendo puts out so they can take advantage of them and make huge profits.
jump_button
Banned
No i think it more about the mind set everyone still in from this gen where Big N out on they own and it one or the two others, But Wii was made to do that but it didn't pay off in the end Wii U i hope they plan to make it next gen but iam worry that maybe they jumping the gun a little and just missing out
Smiles and Cries
Member
something wrong my 3D Classic Kid Icarus is taking to long to download 
I need something to keep me away from this thread the drama of waiting is killing me
I need something to keep me away from this thread the drama of waiting is killing me
Thank you, plz open their eyes again!!
It seems they are all become blind in that thread.
So plz you, bg, IIhere, DCKing or Ideaman, plz whipe that stuff out of their heads that WiiU will only be on par with that generation of HDtwins...
Twenty7KVN
Member
It seems to me that Samaritan has become more of a brand name than a demo of what the next hardware is capable of doing.I won't be surprised if epic at some point in time ports Samaritan (or at least tries) to every i device they can.
We shall see at E3 whether WiiU games will look much better than PS3/X360 games. May I ask whether you have actually seen any WiiU games after last E3?