majortom1981
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For upgradable parts , Nintendo would just have to bring back the upgrade port that all their consoles until the wii had.This way they can upgrade it if they want or just leave the port empty.
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Huh, I'm guessing this is similar to the Havok and Autodesk tools Nintendo's providing to developers? Looks like Nintendo's at least trying to get some third parties, probably smaller/niche ones, on board.
Yeah, could point to some Wii U games being debugged ready for release. Or just debugging in general? Either way, this is going to be useful to third parties
LOL, I'm not techie either.
walking fiend
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The main problem with PCs is that the OS is not optimized for gaming; so the same hardware on PC is like half a gen slower than the same on Console [for gaming]
Part of me would love that, but at the same time, I loooove messing-around with mods for their games.
And then there's that little voice in the back of my mind that says, "Tom.. it's Bethesda. They'll come-up with a reason to avoid, rest assured."
Todd Howard said:
Hmm.. any time I hear this kind of talk about a Nintendo platform or audience, alarm bells go off, and I know to be skeptical going into the future.
I love using the the console to cheat!
player-> addItem sc_icarianflight 100 equates to GREATEST ADVENTURE EVER!
caffeinated
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Any news about Direct x support yet?
I really hope Wii U supports Direct x 11 or 11.1.
I really hope Wii U supports Direct x 11 or 11.1.
If I am the person making decisions at EPIC or CRYTEK right now will be the perfect time to try to get some kind of a licensing deal that will allow Nintendo to provide their engine (UE3 or CryEngine 3) to developers and in return Nintendo will pay them say $0.25 to $1 in royalties for every game sold that made use of their respective engines.
From the looks of things it seem like Nintendo is doing what ever it takes to reduce the cost of development for itself as well as licensed 3rd party developers
That's Microsoft's API. Not happening
There is no debug solution on the planet that can help Bethesda :lol
+ 1 or 2 other posters who approved it
You can express your doubt about my information, but in a less disdainful way. You know, i'm here, i'm actually reading what you wrote. Adopting a more diplomatic and respectful manner of stating your thoughts can only have positive results on the overall atmosphere on this thread.
For the "vague" thing, it's fun that in the message that you quote, the very first line is ultra specific and counter your pseudo-rant. Some people know that the V4 dev kits are in possession of third-parties since last year. A few may have expected Nintendo to use a more advanced version. I clearly announced that big non-japanese third studios will receive these "v5" dev kits at the end of march. I could have register earlier, say that the V5 will arrive in late december, january, february, in the first days of march, or in late april, but no, i say "my sources told me that they will receive these newest dev kits in the end of march, maybe some of them already just got them". I don't see how i can be more specific than that.
All in all, i was the first to encourage people to keep their critical mind and read my messages with a bit of caution as it's second-hand knowledge, with a dose of subjectivity, and other parameters to take into consideration that i have explained in my very first intervention. So nothing new man, what you told in a dismissive manner serves absolutely nothing, people around here are already warned, mature-enough, and community-managing themselves-enough, to not need 1 or 2 people like you coming and writing this kind of non-convivial and nonconstructive/good-atmosphere for the topic-friendly message every time i post an info. It's filling the topic with uninteresting posts.
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No, i clearly stated that the boost in the V5 dev kit is moderate, and it's reinforced by lherre saying that Nintendo saw a "slight" improvement in framerate of the engine tested. I don't know how an increase of, let's say, 5 fps, can be translated in hardware changes and/or further optimizations in these dev kits.
And for the GPU, i don't know the details for the moment sorry. I can guess its raw performances in the specific context that i've so much stressed about, but i ignore its "class", what kind of recent graphic features it supports or not, etc.
Evil evil evil!
You can jump from Seyda Neen to Balmora with that kind of power!
(but will you survive the landing? ha!)
And bear in mind, I say the above things about Bethesda while also being a huuuuge fan of their Elder Scrolls games.
(which, for some reason, surprises some people)
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Hey IdeaMan.. did you read my E3 "Jake Oath"offer on the last page? Care to take me up on it? =)
caffeinated
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pieatorium
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Console "optimisation" and PC's overhead gets blown out of proportion a fair bit. Even back in 06 when the 360 was king PC versions/ports were running at higher framerates and resolutions with equal or better settings on high end rigs (not nearly needing top of the line either)
I would assume any upgradeable console would be having the upgrades sold at the same low profit (or loss) margins that the regular hardware is being sold at (the reason they are much cheaper than PC's is because PC's are sold at much higher markups over manufacturing and distribution than consoles)
They wouldn't be using directx but having hardware that can support dx11 features such as tessalation and shader model 5 etc is what he probably means
JoshuaJSlone
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Heh, well, Glass Joe would seem the obvious choice.Please, not a too-revealed/stripped/naked character
But i'm 95% sure that i'll win this bet.
Ignoring any validity of these figures of a system being Z times more powerful than another, I think it would make more sense to look at it exponentially than a linear progression of some fractional amount of power each year. So 10x in 3 years would be 2.15x each year, and 2x in 7 years would be 1.1x per year.Gahiggidy said:
Sure it was. Just ask Google for Wii U 4770.
fabricated backlash
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Damn the whole library stares at me. Thanks for making my laugh my ass off in front of the faculty^^
It pays to know the potion of slow fall's id, or all that money I stole.
Death aside, only downside to it is doing it around mountainous areas. God damn Cliff Racers!
Yeah i read it
I'll reveal all that i've gathered until E3 here. It doesn't exclude some "changes of plans" by Nintendo however, like "hey we decided to release a v6 dev kit around june", what i report is what i've heard that developers have themselves heard from Big N (or saw with their dev kits) at a certain time.
It doesn't matter what people have speculated. The only leads we had were about the RV770 chip, not the RV740. (Also Googling that doesn't come up with much at all).
The HD4770 makes much more sense than an HD4830, but rumours led us to believe otherwise.
Think about everything an engine needs to process in order to render the worlds seen in GTAIV or RDR. Now think about how the tech demo was basically two models running through looped animation in a large room.
There's more going on in the game than that simple tech demo, and the same can be said for any tech demo. =p
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To add, do we know anything about the GI model they are using in that Zelda demo? Without specifics, we can't really determine how technically impressive it is.
Where do these 32nm assumptions come from? I thought it was discussed earlier in this thread that 32nm may be too expensive, no?
That is not just some kind of nice debug solution, that is probably the most awesome news in this whole thread.
The combination of that DoubleCheck thing with that TimeMachine thing gives me DEBUG BONER
Yes, Wii U games are going to be finished, and contain fewer bugs in general (if developers actively use these solutions given to them)
28nm is probably too expensive, but 32nm has reached maturity at several foundries now. NEC, GlobalFoundries and TSMC all seem to be capable of handling production on that process since last year.
When you read the industry news in a site like Gamasutra, you really wonder if it's still a good marketing model for manufacturer's to launch bleeding-edge systems while the trend/a larger and larger part of big business matters/sector talks & interest is clearly on indie & small & casual & socialnetworked titles.
Go to the main page now for example, 95% of the information is related to these "new kind" of games. I hope it will reach a balance between old-school built softwares and these new ways of playing, and that the Wii U will catch this trend by proposing interesting, attractive, and buzz-making content on the Nintendo Network. It seems that besides their classic IP sold in boxes, it will clearly be a crucial point in their success.
Go to the main page now for example, 95% of the information is related to these "new kind" of games. I hope it will reach a balance between old-school built softwares and these new ways of playing, and that the Wii U will catch this trend by proposing interesting, attractive, and buzz-making content on the Nintendo Network. It seems that besides their classic IP sold in boxes, it will clearly be a crucial point in their success.
Proprietary I'd imagine. It doesn't really matter as long as they support the same features like tessellation.
I feel the same. I'm shocked that MS and Sony have done such a laughably job chasing after Tablet money. They are letting Apple have a massive, ultra lucrative segment to themselves. Sony's Tablet is just embarrassing. I would make an initiative to make a large number of first party small projects focus on touch screen controls only so it can be released on Vita and a new Sony Tablet designed to compete with the Ipad. Oh well.
Ubisoft preparing for digital distribution on Wii U.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...y-to-take-advantage-of-wii-u-digital-strategy
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...y-to-take-advantage-of-wii-u-digital-strategy
cyberheater
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Yeah i read it
I'll reveal all that i've gathered until E3 here. It doesn't exclude some "changes of plans" by Nintendo however, like "hey we decided to release a v6 dev kit around june", what i report is what i've heard that developers have themselves heard from Big N (or saw with their dev kits) at a certain time.
You're contributions have been very welcome. A bit too cryptic and vague for my liking but welcome none the less.
Keep it coming.
cyberheater
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It's more like. If they have digital distribution. We'll support it. There is nothing concrete here.
I'm guessing that a large part of Nintendo's competition for smaller developers and "new games" is going to be XBLA and PSN. Nintendo is going to have to somehow convince them that either their retail Wii U model or their own Nintendo Network shop is much more lucrative.. and it's going to be a tall order.
I hope demos are more readily-available on Nintendo's new machine.
pieatorium
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Heh yeah I was convinced to buy the game based on that thread and was wondering the same. Being able to search out Pawns or look at at the map on the tablet would be nice.
So it's an assumption on your part and nothing more? 32nm would still be more expensive than 45nm or 40nm. It all depends on what their performance target was, if they could hit it using 45nm, that's what the chips will be processed on.
Really, IMO, some speculation or assumptions should be clearly labeled as such. Too many people in these next gen threads get their hopes up over illogical guesstimates.
I'm thinking more like, if there wasn't something there they wouldn't talk about it.
neoneogaffer
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I've used the Green Hills IDE before. This was for an embedded non game related project. The debugger's very good for stepping through optimized code; I was more productive with it than GDB, which can't handle optimized code well. Even the code it generated was smarter than GCC's. The IDE was quirky and never used it for coding, although it was very good for looking up symbol definitions.
cyberheater
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I see what you're getting at.
I think DD for WiiU will be problematic because WiiU doesn't have a hard drive. I'm not sure how much resource will go into a well formed DD system when only a small percentage of the user install base will have any form of attached storage.
JohnTinker
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They must create a real "Nintendo workshop", teams of Big N designers, who will be dispatched to help/monitor/support/direct small studios in their projects, accompany and profit of the burgeoning of these developers, and promote their titles in a very user-friendly interface, well crafted to arouse efficiently the interest of a large audience when they'll turn the padlet on. With affordable prices (maybe an annual pass) and practical download. Think of a Nintendo Seal of Quality for indie & social games, a real partnership, i bet 75% of these people love Nintendo and would dream to work with them, learn from them. They already support small studios, but they must shift to the next gear.
Yeah i guess + "Lowe’s responsibilities will include overseeing marketing campaigns for franchises such as Dr Who, which will be marking its fiftieth anniversary next year."
phosphor112
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Bro five. I usually deal with neuro indications though. Odd situation. I do a lot of research and Gleevec cases too... It's fun trying new sequences and such. Anyway, fun stuff.
Hah! I was testing our 3T machine for a language study a couple years ago. Now I have a rack fullbof machines that would make durangos weep for mama.
My contact card has an accurate rendering of my brain from above and from the side. It gets smiles.
Anyway, cool idea with the E3 test. For a moment, I was sorely tempted to put together a list of WAGs and send them over, just to see if I had anything right.
I've only got 1 3T machine. =[.
Should be getting another in a year or so...
CT isn't all that bad. Our CT guys just got a new 3D post process for our CTA's. Gives an amazing 3D recon. I'm not sure how available these things are, but google image "3D CTA with bone" and basically our plugin allows for a transparent bone model. Our neurosurgeons love it!
Aannnyywaaay... Getting a bit off topic =P
Grampa Simpson
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I heard that the V5 was over 9000.
It may be mature (good yields), but that doesn't make it cheap. Fab capacity is still going to be lower than 45nm, and the fabs will almost certainly be charging more for using the latest process. It's pretty telling that IBM would mention 45nm for the CPU. You may also want to consider that it's done on SOI, which costs more than bulk Si. It's not impossible for the GPU to be done on SOI, but it is a different design consideration.
Pikmin? Fuck that's an army.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I experience this every day with my Vita and, no, it's not an issue for most. If gamers want it, they'll buy a big enough HD. Plenty of gamers have upgraded their 360/PS3 hard drives as well.
JoshuaJSlone
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Isn't every Vita game available as a download, when no storage is included standard?
pieatorium
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Storage is required to be able to play any games at all though I think?
That's exactly why i brought it up. It was said by a neogaf member who claims to have inside sources, that the GPU was around 4770 level, but everybody discredited his info based on the comment he made about the CPU.
So, how would a dev know what GPU is inside the devkit? Based solely on performance, or can they check what die the chip is? Or other specs that could basically tell them it's a certain GPU for... say 95% certainty?