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[IceDoesntHelp]

Let me rephrase that.

New IPs with an actual budget that aren't casual shit aimed at the lowest common denominator. Something with a story, impressive graphics, a great score (possibly by Koji Kondo). Their last REAL new IP was Pikmin. I guess Xenoblade would count, technically?

If Retro creates a new IP... prepare yourselves. It won't be Steel Diver, I can tell you that much.

Lol oh god. Your posts..

Here have a couple non-casual "shit aimed at the lowest common denominator" IPs
Pandora's Tower
The Last Story
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Dillon's Rolling Western

Would have added Pushmo and Endless Ocean but you probably don't care about them, you know since they are aimed at "the lowest common denominator"

 

[Redford]

Haven't caught up with the thread yet, but wanted to say bloody ell RandomVince, that is a fine idea you have.

 

[Anth0ny]

Lol oh god. Your posts..

Here have a couple non-casual "shit aimed at the lowest common denominator" IPs
Pandora's Tower
The Last Story
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Dillon's Rolling Western

Would have added Pushmo and Endless Ocean but you probably don't care about them, you know since they are aimed at "the lowest common denominator"

I was talking EAD developed games.

Now that I look, EAD didn't work on Xenoblade. I thought they helped on it for some reason. Just goes to show how great that game is =)

 

[Shurayuki]

Haven't caught up with the thread yet, but wanted to say bloody ell RandomVince, that is a fine idea you have.

It is isn't it, forgot to comment on that due to all the fighting earlier in this thread.
Something along those lines should be coming, even though it'll likely be more similar to Wii Resort plane or Pilotwings.

 

[Screenboy]

I can't disagree with any of that. Seems pretty realistic to me.
(and they say we "Nthings" are delusional.. ha!)

I'll be content with my Nintendo games and an occasional gem tossed our way from a nice third party. That's all I realistically expect.

Well, that and a big bag of popcorn for when I want to spend some time watching the rest of the industry..

Nintendo will probably have more of a backing from the Japanese devs than the other 2.

 

[Kem0sabe]

You should maybe read the original post for some info that you have missed out on, I hope that will help you with your interest in the thread. Then again, why are your here to voice your opinion about how you aren't going to buy something regardless of any situation when what people are doing in this thread is speculating about the machine, the hardware inside, the software it will have, the online infrastructure and so forth. I can understand you may not like the machine but it is not adding to the speculation. Why are you even interested in the machine and this thread if you won't even buy it no matter how good it is?

Your final question seems a bit rhetorical as it sounds as if you are asking a serious question, but you have already stated that you cannot imagine good outcome. Meaning that even if someone answered you you would be unable to envisage any other outcome due to your lack of imagination as you have stated. Sorry for ragging on you cord like that.

I know i came across as a bitter and disappointed "old man".

It´s just that my first experience with any kind of electronic gaming was with the NES, and after that the SNES... sadly that was the last "good" experience i had with Nintendo, the N64 and then the Wii were some of the worse purchases i have made as a gamer, up there with the Dreamcast.

I hope the Wii U isn´t reduced to being only a sale success but a gamer success story as well, but from all that i´ve read online (even if it lacks proper sources) it amounts to more of the same of the Wii. Could be wrong, probably am.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I was talking EAD developed games.

Now that I look, EAD didn't work on Xenoblade. I thought they helped on it for some reason. Just goes to show how great that game is =)

What a strange ruleset.

Would Uncharted not count as a Sony game because it wasn't developed within Sony Japan?

Then why does a Retro-developed IP count since Retro is decidedly not EAD?

 

[Redford]

NintendoGAF IP, it's got to happen.

 

[AceBandage]

seems like it from what they've described and some have mentioned. They also confirmed the one account per system thing. All I know is the prospect of sending people video messages using the controller already sounds like more fun than xbl/psn.

Multiple accounts, actually.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Multiple accounts, actually.

I'll believe that when I see it.

I know at this point not to trust what Nintendo says about consoles a year+ out.

 

[Anth0ny]

What a strange ruleset.

Would Uncharted not count as a Sony game because it wasn't developed within Sony Japan?

Then why does a Retro-developed IP count since Retro is decidedly not EAD?

The Retro comment was a separate thought.

I just want a legitimate new IP from EAD. Miyamoto and Koji Kondo ain't getting any younger =(

 

[AceBandage]

I'll believe that when I see it.

I know at this point not to trust what Nintendo says about consoles a year+ out.

We shall see. I don't see why they wouldn't do it since they could sell things to the same console multiple times.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Multiple accounts, actually.

I actually meant as in you'll be able to have 1 account/username and use it everywhere.

But on what you're saying, like Alberto, I still don't believe it for some reason

 

[comedy bomb]

Whether they succeed or not is up for debate, but I can safely say Nintendo's next next console (i.e. the one after the Wii U) will be the culmination of their past ten years in research, development and experiences in the gaming industry.
It won't carry the Wii name, it won't be underpowered and it won't suffer from the implications they have had in the past.
It will likely be their best console ever created - it's just a shame the Wii U is a necessary step to reach it.
Don't get me wrong, I anticipate this year's E3 and what the system will offer, but I can't help but wonder what their next home console will be like.
It's a bad habit, I know, but something tells me whatever they do next will be extra special.

Hey, if they make a bomb on the Wii U like they did with the Wii, then they certainly have the money to realise the ultimate console for next generation.
I feel like the 'U is just a preparation, maybe even a stop-gap for their next effort in console based gaming.
Because let's face it, it is a Wii 2, to a large extent.
It's not something entirely different - it's like the 3DS is to the DS.
Sure, far more capable, improved features and a new selling feature (Tablet/3D), but it's an evolution of their past system.
Next time, I want to see something entirely different.

If we start now how many threads can we burn through before 2018?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The Retro comment was a separate thought.

I just want a legitimate new IP from EAD. Miyamoto and Koji Kondo ain't getting any younger =(

I kinda just don't understand the fascination, to be honest.

When Kid Icarus Uprising is a lesser game than a hypothetical game from Miyamoto and Kondo by virtue of IP age, something is weird about our expectations.

 

[AceBandage]

If we start now how many threads can we burn through before 2018?

I don't think GAF's archives could hold that many threads...

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I kinda just don't understand the fascination, to be honest.

When Kid Icarus Uprising is a lesser game than a hypothetical game from Miyamoto and Kondo by virtue of IP age, something is weird about our expectations.

I agree with him, sort of, I think. I feel like Miyamoto's potential is wholly wasted on the same few franchises over and over and over, don't get me wrong, I want this to continue, but I don't want it to be the be all and end all of Nintendo's best developers. I still think he has it in him to create another Mario like iconic character/series. Even he has said that he plans to do this. But we've yet to see it...at all...it's kind of sad

 

[ColdBlooder]

Prepare for a Avatar change. LOL.

Yes, you should

 

[Door2Dawn]

I can't disagree with any of that. Seems pretty realistic to me.
(and they say we "Nthings" are delusional.. ha!)

I'll be content with my Nintendo games and an occasional gem tossed our way from a nice third party. That's all I realistically expect.

Well, that and a big bag of popcorn for when I want to spend some time watching the rest of the industry..

I won't be content. For a multi-billion company this is unacceptable.

 

[cyberheater]

Yes, you should

Oh yeah. It was you. Ha ha. I think your penguin is going to head south soon

 

[Skiesofwonder]

So Shiggy just accidentally posted a thread about James Bond: Skyfall coming to Wii-U, then deleted the OP real quick. While that announcement is pretty insignificant, could it point to some embargoes lifting in the near future?

 

[HylianTom]

I won't be content. For a multi-billion company this is unacceptable.

They can't force third parties to come along.

 

[Sadist]

Come on Activision give me Fall of Cybertron...

 

[schuelma]

So Shiggy just accidentally posted a thread about James Bond: Skyfall coming to Wii-U, then deleted the OP real quick. While that announcement is pretty insignificant, could it point to some embargoes lifting in the near future?

Seems plausible.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Oh yeah. It was you. Ha ha. I think your penguin is going to head south soon

Naw, its too cold there

That penguin is as insane as neogaf btw

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Man, going away for a few days and leaving my laptop at home has given me a fresh perspective as to how absolutely insane this all is. So, what's the explanation now to these devs who are saying it's less powerful than the current systems, with less shaders? Sony paid em? Or we really all have just been lying to ourselves and each other in this thread?

The issue is that this thread, and everything else on this board, is baseless speculation with a dash of hearsay. No one knows SHIT.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

The issue is that this thread, and everything else on this board, is baseless speculation with a dash of hearsay. No one knows SHIT.

lherre knows stuff

 

[Rösti]

Capcom out, Rebellion in apparently. The product categories "Adventure - Nintendo Wii U" and "Shooter - Nintendo Wii U" at E3 have been updated with Rebellion, the developer of NeverDead and upcoming Sniper Elite V2 for example.

http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E3

While Rebellion mostly does work for larger companies, as with Aliens vs. Predator (2010) for Sega, they do have a few trademarks of their own:

• 2000 AD (shooter akin series, Judge Dredd universe)
• Earthwar (story arc in DC Comic's Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes)
• Empire Earth (strategy game series)
• Evil Genius (adventure game)
• Ground Control (strategy game series)
• Gunlok (strategy game)
• Lords of the Realm (strategy game)
• Republic: The Revolution ("action" game)
• Smart Bomb (strategy game)

Out of these, Earthwar is the most recent, being filed on the 18th of April, 2011 in USA. Earthwar surrounds the Legion of Super-Heroes comics published during the '70s. By issue #231, the book changed title to Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes, and Earthwar takes place in issues #241-245. It's a lengthy story arc but it is about the Legion of Super-Heroes protecting a diplomatic conference between the United Planets (good guys) and the Dominion (bad guys). If anyone wanna know more there is plenty of information to be found on the net. I'm not saying Rebellion is working on a game based on this, but it is their most recent trademark and as The Caped Crusader has been getting so much attention lately with Batman: Arkham City and its predecessor, maybe DC wants to give the Superman universe (sometimes the same thing as the Batman universe) the same treatment and develop a real blockbuster. It of course could be something completely different, but the trademark reads, apart from "video games" of course, "Toys, namely, action figures". And these things often have action figures connected.

If not the above, it could be a port, and it would most likely be of Sniper Elite V2, it fits the Wii U Remote very well. If you wanna stretch it, it could be Rogue Warrior, Shellshock 2: Blood Trails or previously mentioned NeverDead (though I doubt it due to the reception it has received). Or, it's an entirely new IP. I haven't heard of any Wii U announcements by Rebellion anyway.

Also, InComm has been added to the categories "Strategy - Nintendo Wii U" and "Virtual Goods/Online Game Payment Providers".

http://www.incomm.com/

InComm is the industry leading marketer, distributor and technology innovator of stored-value gift and prepaid products. Our 225,000 partner locations generated nearly $10 billion in retail sales of prepaid products in 2009 and over 1 billion customers every week.

Now, I don't know whether they have supplied any pre-paid cards in North America and Europe, but in Japan they have supplied Nintendo Point Prepaid Cards for the Nintendo DSi Shop and the Wii Shop Channel. They've also worked with Microsoft Points.

Sources: http://www.incomm.com/aboutus.do, http://web.incomm.com/uploadedFiles/InComm/About_Us/news/SEJ_EnglishFINAL.pdf

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

lherre knows stuff

Any tangible proof?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I agree with him, sort of, I think. I feel like Miyamoto's potential is wholly wasted on the same few franchises over and over and over, don't get me wrong, I want this to continue, but I don't want it to be the be all and end all of Nintendo's best developers. I still think he has it in him to create another Mario like iconic character/series. Even he has said that he plans to do this. But we've yet to see it...at all...it's kind of sad

I don't think he's actively developing games anymore.

 

[Roo]

I won't be content. For a multi-billion company this is unacceptable.

What's Nintendo's net assets again?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I don't think he's actively developing games anymore.

and that's what sucks, because he has said he wants to create another mascot.

Any tangible proof?

well he actually works with the dev kit, and has confirmed himself with mods, and has said some stuff in this thread. Too lazy to find links and shit. TRUST ME BRO.

 

[MDX]

I agree with him, sort of, I think. I feel like Miyamoto's potential is wholly wasted on the same few franchises over and over and over, don't get me wrong, I want this to continue, but I don't want it to be the be all and end all of Nintendo's best developers. I still think he has it in him to create another Mario like iconic character/series. Even he has said that he plans to do this. But we've yet to see it...at all...it's kind of sad

But didnt Miyamoto already announce he as moving on to smaller titles after Pikmin?
I think people shouldn't get lost with their expectations

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

But didnt Miyamoto already announce he as moving on to smaller titles after Pikmin?
I think people shouldn't get lost with their expectations

like I said, he is the one that said he wants to do this, so it's not just me saying I want him to do it. That and he said he is working on an original game:

Nintendo EAD manager Shigeru Miyamoto has a few projects in the pipeline, one of which has yet to be revealed. In an interview with the Associated Press, the designer reiterates that Pikmin 3 and Luigi's Mansion 2 are still coming along, and that he's involved with work on an unannounced original game.

Speaking more generally, Miyamoto comments on the push toward realism. "Each creator has his or her own field for which he or she is particularly good at. I'm not saying that I am particularly bad at making the very photo-realistic video games."

"But when it comes to the realistic games, you have to create something familiar. I personally want to make something really different." And we love him for it. Now let's see these games at E3, please.

That was from january 2012.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

and that's what sucks, because he has said he wants to create another mascot.


well he actually works with the dev kit, and has confirmed himself with mods, and has said some stuff in this thread. Too lazy to find links and shit. TRUST ME BRO.

Ive lurked this thread, i know. Seems to me its still going off faith to believe anything that's said. Add to that the vagueness of the posts and you get even more speculation...

 

[Forsaken82]

Too bad MMOs are dying off left and right.
Which is a shame, because I still enjoy them.

I don't agree with that at all. The only thing dying is the subscription fee in my opinion.

 

[MDX]

Who cares if Wii U is less powerful than PS3? Not Nintendo...
Opinion: Tech innovation gets people excited, but it's the software that really sells Nintendo consoles, argues John Dean

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...wii-u-is-less-powerful-than-ps3-not-nintendo/


.

 

[MDX]

like I said, he is the one that said he wants to do this, so it's not just me saying I want him to do it. That and he said he is working on an original game:

That was from january 2012.

That doesn't say anything that it will be a high production title though.
It can still be a small project.

 

[Nibel]

Man, I want a new Empire Earth. The game was genius.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

That doesn't say anything that it will be a high production title though.
It can still be a small project.

once again, I'm not claiming it's a big project. I'm just saying it's a shame that he DOESN'T create a new big IP like Mario and whatnot, considering he is capable of it. It's a shame. And I'm stating that he has even said himself that he would like to create a new mascot title. I'm just showing this original game thing as maybe being the thing.

Nintendo senior managing director Shigeru Miyamoto has created some of the biggest characters in gaming, including Mario, Donkey Kong, and Link. In a Q&A session at Nintendo's general shareholders meeting this week, the designer told investors he is looking to add at least one more name to his considerable resume.

"It's been nearly 10 years since the creation of Pikmin," Miyamoto said. "I think this coming year, it's about time a new character be created."

that was in 2010...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...wii-u-is-less-powerful-than-ps3-not-nintendo/


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this is annoying :\

 

[Penguin]

Oh yeah. It was you. Ha ha. I think your penguin is going to head south soon

Wait where am I going now?

 

[Door2Dawn]

They can't force third parties to come along.

But they can create an environment where third parties will interested.

Same thing with online. There's no reason a multi-billion dollar company can't create a online system that is AT LEAST on par with the 360 in 2012, even PS3's system will do.

 

[Rösti]

This will probably provide nothing, but worth mentioning:

You can read more about the future of Wii U in the May issue of Official Nintendo Magazine which goes on sale on Thursday 5th April.

Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine...le-to-run-a-mmorpg-without-compromise-funcom/

The actual news item isn't that interesting, goes without saying really.

 

[HylianTom]

this is annoying :\

It almost feels like a concerted effort to get Nintendo to say anything..
/tinfoil

But they can create an environment where third parties will interested.

Same thing with online. There's no reason a multi-billion dollar company can't create a online system that is AT LEAST on par with the 360 in 2012, even PS3's system will do.

We'll have to wait and see I guess.
If Japanese third parties come along and western ones don't, what would this tell us about Nintendo's development enviroment? .. and what would it tell us about third parties?

 

[AntMurda]

I was talking EAD developed games.

Now that I look, EAD didn't work on Xenoblade. I thought they helped on it for some reason. Just goes to show how great that game is =)

That was Nintendo SPD who worked on it. More as a producer and coordinator, but they did redo the script. The Nintendo SPD writer called it amateur.

I kinda just don't understand the fascination, to be honest.

When Kid Icarus Uprising is a lesser game than a hypothetical game from Miyamoto and Kondo by virtue of IP age, something is weird about our expectations.

The problem is the producers and directors of games at Nintendo are overshadowed by the legacy of Shigeru Miyamoto. The staff making Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Galaxy are not the same folks. Miyamoto is a Board of Director and General Manager making 1.2 million dollars a year. The guy is not designing games. Approving them, and verbally postulating ideas to the team sure. But designing characters or games. That is preposterous if you ask me.

He theoretically brought up the idea of retiring as a general manager, to work closer with a smaller younger team where he could perhaps contribute more as an actual designer.

The Retro comment was a separate thought.

I just want a legitimate new IP from EAD. Miyamoto and Koji Kondo ain't getting any younger =(

Do you really think Miyamoto is the entity that makes games great at EAD? Or is it a more complex faction of developers really. I think you know the answer to that. I actually think Miyamoto stifles the actual developers sometimes, something i quietly picked up from Koizumi-san and Imamura-san.

I agree with him, sort of, I think. I feel like Miyamoto's potential is wholly wasted on the same few franchises over and over and over, don't get me wrong, I want this to continue, but I don't want it to be the be all and end all of Nintendo's best developers. I still think he has it in him to create another Mario like iconic character/series. Even he has said that he plans to do this. But we've yet to see it...at all...it's kind of sad

Miyamoto has no physically created a character since Super Mario Bros really. The biggest EAD characters since were created by Shigefumi Hino (Pikmin, Yoshi) and Takaya Imamura (F-Zero, Star Fox). Then you can count the Zelda character creators for all the new major Zelda characters I guess. Not much main character stuff really.

 

[cyberheater]

Wait where am I going now?

LOL.

 

[TriGen]

The way I see it is this: the Wii was an experiment for Nintendo, to attract a different audience and expand their market.
They experienced a huge success, but in doing so lost some of the support they had taken for granted in the past.
The Wii U is an attempt to recapture some of that support, and redirect their business model at the core market.
Whether they succeed or not is up for debate, but I can safely say Nintendo's next next console (i.e. the one after the Wii U) will be the culmination of their past ten years in research, development and experiences in the gaming industry.
It won't carry the Wii name, it won't be underpowered and it won't suffer from the implications they have had in the past.
It will likely be their best console ever created - it's just a shame the Wii U is a necessary step to reach it.
Don't get me wrong, I anticipate this year's E3 and what the system will offer, but I can't help but wonder what their next home console will be like.
It's a bad habit, I know, but something tells me whatever they do next will be extra special.

Hey, if they make a bomb on the Wii U like they did with the Wii, then they certainly have the money to realise the ultimate console for next generation.
I feel like the 'U is just a preparation, maybe even a stop-gap for their next effort in console based gaming.
Because let's face it, it is a Wii 2, to a large extent.
It's not something entirely different - it's like the 3DS is to the DS.
Sure, far more capable, improved features and a new selling feature (Tablet/3D), but it's an evolution of their past system.
Next time, I want to see something entirely different.

I agree with this, I even think Nintendo is going to stick with 5yr generations, while MS/Sony will probaly plan on Durango/Orbis lasting quite a while longer. I think the Wii U will be technically "underpowered" this gen but the Wii U will still deliver a good gaming experience, then Nintendo will launch their next console in 2017 with specs on par with Durango. At that time both HD twins will probaly be only halfway thru their generation so it will be perfect timing as Nintendo's console will show up after the "growing pains" time frame and will be able to fully take care advantage of the technology.

 

[jump_button]

The way I see it is this: the Wii was an experiment for Nintendo, to attract a different audience and expand their market.
They experienced a huge success, but in doing so lost some of the support they had taken for granted in the past.
The Wii U is an attempt to recapture some of that support, and redirect their business model at the core market.
Whether they succeed or not is up for debate, but I can safely say Nintendo's next next console (i.e. the one after the Wii U) will be the culmination of their past ten years in research, development and experiences in the gaming industry.
It won't carry the Wii name, it won't be underpowered and it won't suffer from the implications they have had in the past.
It will likely be their best console ever created - it's just a shame the Wii U is a necessary step to reach it.
Don't get me wrong, I anticipate this year's E3 and what the system will offer, but I can't help but wonder what their next home console will be like.
It's a bad habit, I know, but something tells me whatever they do next will be extra special.

Hey, if they make a bomb on the Wii U like they did with the Wii, then they certainly have the money to realise the ultimate console for next generation.
I feel like the 'U is just a preparation, maybe even a stop-gap for their next effort in console based gaming.
Because let's face it, it is a Wii 2, to a large extent.
It's not something entirely different - it's like the 3DS is to the DS.
Sure, far more capable, improved features and a new selling feature (Tablet/3D), but it's an evolution of their past system.
Next time, I want to see something entirely different.

The Wii was a monster hit but 3rd partys just did nothing on it apart from clones of Big N games, just wait and see and waiting and oh it a test game buy A and you may get B

What's the story with the WiiU 007 game. Was it embargoed?

Ninja got him and killed him around the side street

 

[cyberheater]

What's the story with the WiiU 007 game. Was it embargoed?