Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

It kind of reminded me of the N64 age yeah.

Hell remember the Star Fox promo?

If Nintendo wants to top apple (which won't happen, again two different types of devices), they are going to need to go back to the old way of advertising, over hyping it and showing gameplay footage of the best parts while showing people playing it, while claiming how much better it is than gaming on anything else.
 
TheExplodingHead said:
Problem isn't HDD installs as it pertains to USB2.0, where installs are opted for increased speeds and faster loading. The problem lies with USB2.0 being slower than the stock DVD-Rom (reading/loading), so DD/DLC/patches/VC/WiiUWare would be a bit slower than the stock DVD. This creates issues when said DLC is supposed to run in tandem with a retail disk, creating a slow-to-fast situation where loading is concerned.

And USB2.0 IS as slow as people think. Go try to load a 360 ISO off of a JTAG 360 off a USB2.0 HDD and see how the loading times are 3x as long as they would be on the DVD-drive or internal HDD.
Aren't Wii load times improved when playing on a hard drive? And wouldn't the difference between HDD speed and disc drive speed have to be pretty significant before something like a regular game/DLC speed distinction was noticed? Since DLC is extra content anyway, it's going to be loading parts from the disc and the other storage medium at the same time; so couldn't it be quicker even if the external drive loads more slowly?
 
Hah thanks Cabbie, certainly makes one sleep easier knowing chances to get insta-permed is fading...fading...RISING...fading...^^

Is it known that WiiU will have USB 2.0? What about HDMI? I guess that will be 1.4. And what about sound, will it support Dolby TrueHD etc.?

Yes E3 page says 4 2.0 USB ports. Actually, lookie here yourself :D

Compatible cables include HDMI, component, S-video and composite
Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI
Four USB 2.0 connector slots are included.


This is awesome. Hopefully this is the direction they'll be taking with marketing for the Wii U.

"Wii would like to play" was the best marketing thing ever.
 
Is this old? This is a rumour from that site you Go to for nintendo news.

Remember last week's rumor of a major racing title heading to Wii U? That fits in ever so nicely with a rumor from reader Stefan. While I'm not usually one to go with the 'I know a guy' stories as a source, this one sounded plausible to me. It all has to do with Stefan's dad being an company that produces advertisements.

- The filming took place in Germany
- the promo trailer included Sebastian Vettel in his F1 car
- Mr. Vettel also did filming inside a room littered with multiple tiny lights
- Mr. Vettel was told to act like he was driving while holding a Wii U controller
- Mr. Vettel wasn't actually playing a game, but was being filmed as if he were playing

Could be a promo for that rumored racing game, could be a 'concept' trailer, much like the one we saw for the Wiimote when first announced. Either way, I'm expecting this promo to be a part of E3!
 
The thing is, I could see them trying to bring one or two different IPs back from retirement for each generation going into the future.

Maybe now that the Icarian experiment is done and successful, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see them announce a huge, gigantic, epic, scrumtrulescent, new console entry to the series.

(ps: where did avatars go?)

After the absolute joy that is Kid Icarus: Uprising I'd be perfectly content for them to just focus on a Wii U version.
 
After the absolute joy that is Kid Icarus: Uprising I'd be perfectly content for them to just focus on a Wii U version.

Well Sora can't reasonably do that when they work on glorious Smash can they? Is it that different from S&P as far as the single player is concerned?
Maybe with DD they could still make a new S&P even though the retail ones tanked?
 
Is this old? This is a rumour from that site you Go to for nintendo news.

Remember last week's rumor of a major racing title heading to Wii U? That fits in ever so nicely with a rumor from reader Stefan. While I'm not usually one to go with the 'I know a guy' stories as a source, this one sounded plausible to me. It all has to do with Stefan's dad being an company that produces advertisements.

- The filming took place in Germany
- the promo trailer included Sebastian Vettel in his F1 car
- Mr. Vettel also did filming inside a room littered with multiple tiny lights
- Mr. Vettel was told to act like he was driving while holding a Wii U controller
- Mr. Vettel wasn't actually playing a game, but was being filmed as if he were playing

Could be a promo for that rumored racing game, could be a 'concept' trailer, much like the one we saw for the Wiimote when first announced. Either way, I'm expecting this promo to be a part of E3!

A F1 trailer with Vettel has very limited appeal, doesn't it? Do Americans even know him?
Still, it does sound very plausible. Perhaps it's for a teaser by Codemasters who work on F1 for WiiU?
 
A F1 trailer with Vettel has very limited appeal, doesn't it? Do Americans even know him?
Still, it does sound very plausible. Perhaps it's for a teaser by Codemasters who work on F1 for WiiU?

Hasn't he been winning everything for the last 2years or something? He's like the new Schumacher, if you're into Racing especially F1, you can't not know him.

I think, not into racing at all. A new Extreme G would be sweet though, liked that back in the day.

Edit: ElTopo, why would they hire Usain Bolt to promote a F1 game :o Okay we don't know what game it is I guess.
 
A F1 trailer with Vettel has very limited appeal, doesn't it? Do Americans even know him?
Still, it does sound very plausible. Perhaps it's for a teaser by Codemasters who work on F1 for WiiU?

Far far far more americans know who vettel is than japanesse and europeans know whoever the nascar champion is (who?)
 
How many athletes are there that they could hire that everyone in the world knows ? Maybe Usain Bolt ?

That aside the F1 steering wheel kinda looks like a uPad so it kinda makes sense to get a F1 driver and it would make even more sense if the rumor from a few days ago is true that Nintendo is working on a racing game.

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Vettel is youngest world champion of all time and back to back champion, he's pretty famous in the world, the exception being America.

Holy smokes! Imagine having all the buttons and switches on the Upad and they would even work! like a "PRO mode" for the game. The ultimate F1 simulator!

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( Image source: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/02/...tures-ferraris-2012-f1-car/ferrari_f2012-2-2/ )
 
Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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You don't know how powerful WiiU is, let alone what Ipad will be in two generations. Do you even know how powerful Ipad is right now?..
 
"Wii would like to play" was the best marketing thing ever.

So great. I think NoA actually won several awards for that campaign.

Wii U's marketing is going to be very important. It needs to convey the mission statement of the Wii U, and that's not easy. They can't go too far one way or another.

I just hope the 4 3DS buddies are retired.
 
Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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you're assuming too much, best to wait before saying stuff like that.
 
Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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Wanna know why the MAC Mini costs just $599?

It uses INTEL HD Graphics. That is the integrated graphic chip in the core i5 its using... It has no dedicated GPU!

That wont run any games from the last 5-6 years... At least not properly.

The bigger one with a dedicated GPU costs 799 and uses a SLOW 6630. This runs games but its still slow...

The "fastest" MAC Mini für $999 with the i7 again has NO GPU and uses the intel integrated graphics... Wich wont run games from the last years..


See the problem here?
 
You don't know how powerful WiiU is, let alone what Ipad will be in two generations. What an utterly silly conclusion that is to come too based on no facts at all.

It's based on all the available information and speculation from leaked developer comments. There's no smoke without fire, if the machine was a beast we would know by now.

As for the iPad every revision thus far has followed a few constants. We do know the iPad gets more powerful graphically every generation. EA (who are close to Apple) have even said the iPad will rival consoles very soon.
 
It's based on all the available information and speculation from leaked developer comments. There's no smoke without fire, if the machine was a beast we would know by now.

As for the iPad every revision thus far has followed a few constants. We do know the iPad gets more powerful graphically every generation. EA (who are close to Apple) have even said the iPad will rival consoles very soon.

Then i got news for you. PS4 wont be a beast either, if you really put so much faith into "leaked developer comments"...
 
It's based on all the available information and speculation from leaked developer comments. There's no smoke without fire, if the machine was a beast we would know by now.

As for the iPad every revision thus far has followed a few constants. We do know the iPad gets more powerful graphically every generation. EA (who are close to Apple) have even said the iPad will rival consoles very soon.

Knowing if its "a beast" or not according to some annoymous source doesn't tell you anything specific enough to use in such a comparison.. If you don't know how powerful it is specifically how can you come to a conclusion of how powerful it will be compared to something that's two generations down the line?, sorry but its absurd.

Do you even know how powerful Ipad is right now? How many shaders?, rops?, how powerful is the CPU in comparison to current console CPU's ect?
 
It's based on all the available information and speculation from leaked developer comments. There's no smoke without fire, if the machine was a beast we would know by now.

Go check the recent Orbis/PS4 rumour and say that again.
 
Wanna know why the MAC Mini costs just $599?

It uses INTEL HD Graphics. That is the integrated graphic chip in the core i5 its using... It has no dedicated GPU!

That wont run any games from the last 5-6 years... At least not properly.

The bigger one with a dedicated GPU costs 799 and uses a SLOW 6630. This runs games but its still slow...

The "fastest" MAC Mini für $999 with the i7 again has NO GPU and uses the intel integrated graphics... Wich wont run games from the last years..


See the problem here?
You can get a Mac Mini with a ATI graphics card. The dual core i5 chip in the regular Mini is more than powerful enough to run most games.

Besides you completely missed the point. A Mac Mini uses off the shelf PC parts. A games console is an embedded device with a complete custom design and custom parts. Thus you you can make saving from removing stuff you don't need and also from volume manufacturing. Nintendo also own the designs, so they wont buy chips from ATI but licence a design instead.
 
Hasn't he been winning everything for the last 2years or something? He's like the new Schumacher, if you're into Racing especially F1, you can't not know him.

I think, not into racing at all. A new Extreme G would be sweet though, liked that back in the day.

Edit: ElTopo, why would they hire Usain Bolt to promote a F1 game :o Okay we don't know what game it is I guess.

You

I like you ! :D

A pity we had such fog in the first game, this speed, combined with the soundtracks that we included in our magazines at the time in the Press, it was amazing.
 
Knowing if its "a beast" or not according to some annoymous source doesn't tell you anything specific enough to use in such a comparison.. The fact is you don't know how powerful it is specifically, so how can you come to a conclusion of how powerful it will be compared to something that's two generations down the line?, its absurd.

Do you even know how powerful Ipad is now? How many shaders has it got, how powerful is the CPU in comparison to current console CPU's ect?
From what we know now, based on all available information and the leaked specs (either tri or quad core PPC plus Radeon 770). We have a good idea of where the Wii U is heading power wise.
 
You can get a Mac Mini with a ATI graphics card. The dual core i5 chip in the regular Mini is more than powerful enough to run most games.

Besides you completely missed the point. A Mac Mini uses off the shelf PC parts. A games console is an embedded device with a complete custom design and custom parts. Thus you you can make saving from removing stuff you don't need and also from volume manufacturing. Nintendo also own the designs, so they wont buy chips from ATI but licence a design instead.

Are you kidding me? Intel HD Gaphics 3000 dosent run anything. And thats already for the magical 599 us dollar!

Yes, you can get a Radeon 6630. I have a 6670, that card is the same as 6630, just a little more juice. Its not that fast! and that mac costs $799!

WiiU may cost between 300 to 349$ maximum... And you are comparing it to a $799 MAC Mini... Thats more than DOUBLE the price... (Forget the $599. It wont be enough to run games. Intel HD graphics isnt suited for games.)
 
It's based on all the available information and speculation from leaked developer comments. There's no smoke without fire, if the machine was a beast we would know by now.

As for the iPad every revision thus far has followed a few constants. We do know the iPad gets more powerful graphically every generation. EA (who are close to Apple) have even said the iPad will rival consoles very soon.

You can play. . . you can play Wii Sports on the iPad? You can have a Just Dance party with the iPad? You can stream movies to your flat-screen TV on the iPad with a remote-like device for about $300? You can give the kids Mario Kart, 4 controllers, and forget about them for the rest of the day? Oh, wait. . . you can't?!? And that's never going to happen!?! :-!

Look, the iPad and consoles are two completely different products in the minds of consumers with two completely different usage cases. It's like saying the PC is going to replace consoles any time soon, or the Wii U (with its tablet and likely lower price) could replace an iPad. It's ridiculous speculation that's based on fantasy, a misunderstanding of the market, and wild speculation. And in all likelihood, Nintendo's customer would just have both.
 
Even for people who followed closely all the wiiu ST, we're far from knowing wiiu power.
Thinking of it we have just a few official statements, some leaked specs from a developer and informations about how some middleware are working on the console.
 
You can play. . . you can play Wii Sports on the iPad? You can have a Just Dance party with the iPad? You can stream movies to your flat-screen TV on the iPad with a remote-like device for about $300? You can give the kids Mario Kart, 4 controllers, and forget about them for the rest of the day? Oh, wait. . . you can't?!? And that's never going to happen!?! :-!

Look, the iPad and consoles are two completely different products in the minds of consumers with two completely different usage cases. It's like saying the PC is going to replace consoles any time soon, or the Wii U (with its tablet and likely lower price) could replace an iPad. It's ridiculous speculation that's based on fantasy, a misunderstanding of the market, and wild speculation. And in all likelihood, Nintendo's customer would just have both.

Thank you.
Now let's please leave the iPad talk out.
 
From what we know now, based on all available information and the leaked specs (either tri or quad core PPC plus Radeon 770). We have a good idea of where the Wii U is heading power wise.

What do you mean Radeon 770??

Right, maybe it would help if you laid out your argument. Show some specs and numbers for Ipad 1 then for Ipad 2 and project increase in power on to Ipad 3 and 4. Then put down these "leaked specs" for WiiU you've mentioned for comparison. That would still be tenous considering its based on rumour but at least it would be worth discussing. But without that its a pointless argument.

You're yet to show that you know how powerful Ipad2 is, if you don't know that and your info on WiiU is based on some vague comments then the whole comparison is crazy.
 
Right so its now looking pretty certain that Nintendo have low balled the specs too aggressively again!! Nintendo doesn't need to worry too much about Microsoft and Sony. But they need to worry about Apple. With the pace in which the iPad is developing, in two generations it will out muscle the Wii U. You can already hook up the iPad to a HDTV and Apple is rumoured to have finished developing a controller. That and the fact that iOS games are far cheaper and are becoming more graphically advanced means they are a big threat.

With the 5 years it takes to design a console, it cant be that difficult to make a machine that's affordable and yet competitive in terms of technology. A Mac Mini is not much bigger than the Wii U and that's using off shelf parts. Nintendo is using custom embedded parts and manufacturing at very high volumes which keeps costs down.


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Well I guess the PS4 IS only as powerful as current gen systems then, right? Oh,
 
I'm just surprised Microsoft is going this route. 360 exploded because Kinect was available on a console with a truly mass market price. If they think Kinect 2.0 is going to drive sales of a $399 machine, they might be in for a rude awakening.

I think Sony would be wise to flip the tables on them and spec closer to Wii U; making 720 the most expensive option on the market and the most costly to develop for.

This is one area I commend Nintendo for and that is they still concentrate most if not all of their efforts on the games/gameplay part of what their systems represent. Sony and Microsoft have other vested interests that amalgamate the gaming aspects into other features. Bluray for example was mainly used to propel the Bluray format in which Sony is part of the association. They also sell HDTV's and standalone players. Microsoft is also very forthright with Xbox Live and tying the gamer into subscription fees. It explains why they are so aggressive in DLC and attaining timed exclusive deals like Modern Warfare to help drive XBL memberships.

Nintendo just does gaming. Yes the Wii also plays Netflix but for the most part their systems are centered around gaming. So while Microsoft tries to get the world to use Bing for example on their new Kinect, Nintendo is always trying to offer something new for the games and only the games. Where Nintendo will lag is in investment as they are not in the same position as the other two since it is only the game platforms that generate revenue for them. They don't sell HDTV's to offset those losses, they don't have an operating system in 90% of the computers out there that can be linked to the game platform.
 
Aren't Wii load times improved when playing on a hard drive? And wouldn't the difference between HDD speed and disc drive speed have to be pretty significant before something like a regular game/DLC speed distinction was noticed? Since DLC is extra content anyway, it's going to be loading parts from the disc and the other storage medium at the same time; so couldn't it be quicker even if the external drive loads more slowly?

In the Wii's case the stock DVD-drive reads/loads slower than a 5400rpm USB2.0 HDD, the drive speed itself just isn't as fast. This isn't the case with the 360 DVD-drive, which is only slightly slower than the attachable SATA HDD. So unless Nintendo puts in a DVD-drive with very slow read/load speeds, than it'll likely be a similar case vs. the 360 situation where USB2.0 is slower than the SATA DVD-drive.

As for the USB2.0 controller for the 360, it's absolutely fine and as fast as anything would load 360 ISO's off a USB2.0 port. I use 7200rpm HDD's (SATA and USB2.0) for my JTAG's and depending on the game it's very noticeably slower using USB, but in general it's always a tad slower. Rule of thumb is always transfer to the internal HDD.
 
Are you kidding me? Intel HD Gaphics 3000 dosent run anything. And thats already for the magical 599 us dollar!

Yes, you can get a Radeon 6630. I have a 6670, that card is the same as 6630, just a little more juice. Its not that fast! and that mac costs $799!

WiiU may cost between 300 to 349$ maximum... And you are comparing it to a $799 MAC Mini... Thats more than DOUBLE the price... (Forget the $599. It wont be enough to run games. Intel HD graphics isnt suited for games.)
Yes Mac Mini comes with an i5 and Radeon 6630 mobile. And you can run modern games on it. Its also sold at a premium - you can get a more powerful PC for less.

You need to understand I only used the Mac Mini as comparison with regards to having a small case, and running pretty quiet & cool. But like I said before and I repeat because game consoles are completely custom and extremely optimized - you should be able to get more power in an affordable solution.
 
Yes Mac Mini comes with an i5 and Radeon 6630 mobile. And you can run modern games on it. Its also sold at a premium - you can get a more powerful PC for less.

You need to understand I only used the Mac Mini as comparison with regards to having a small case, and running pretty quiet & cool. But like I said before and I repeat because game consoles are completely custom and extremely optimized - you should be able to get more power in an affordable solution.

Here another example where the word "optimized" gets thrown around as if consoles are magic in a box.

Note to those using the word without context: coding closer to the hardware doesn't buy you any more ALUs or mhz.
 
Nintendo just does gaming. .

All true, but Nintendo cannot survive as just a games machine in 2012 and beyond. The expectation of consumer devices today is that they need to be connected, social and multi-functional.

Thankfully I think Netflix usage on Wii opened some eyes for Nintndo, and they seem to be looking to expand content delivery on their platforms.
 
A F1 trailer with Vettel has very limited appeal, doesn't it? Do Americans even know him?
Still, it does sound very plausible. Perhaps it's for a teaser by Codemasters who work on F1 for WiiU?
It could be a very bid deal in europe but Vettel is just too expensive, imo. His calendar in europe till the next race in china is too tight.
Polyphony made some promo deals, while Vettel and Red Bull weren't world champions ( they are 2 times in row now ). Besides there deal was shot before the GP season started.
 
Yes Mac Mini comes with an i5 and Radeon 6630 mobile. And you can run modern games on it. Its also sold at a premium - you can get a more powerful PC for less.

You need to understand I only used the Mac Mini as comparison with regards to having a small case, and running pretty quiet & cool. But like I said before and I repeat because game consoles are completely custom and extremely optimized - you should be able to get more power in an affordable solution.

Lol
I remember OldBurntPork argued similarly

Take your ipad talk away. Ipad has a few nice visuals on its pocket games. But a mobile graphics chip is not a console or pc chip.
 
What do you mean Radeon 770??

Right, maybe it would help if you laid out your argument. Show some specs and numbers for Ipad 1 then for Ipad 2 and project that on to Ipad 3 and 4. Then put down these "leaked specs" for WiiU you've mentioned for comparison.

Without that its pointless argument. I mean you're yet to show that you even know how powerful Ipad2 is, if you don't know that and your info on WiiU is based on some vague comments then the whole comparison is crazy.
The 770 is the GPU used in the HD4870 which is similar to what is rumoured to be in the Wii U. And also I don't have time to posting specs for what is widely available on the internet. Just Google the iPad Gen 3 GPU. Its quite beefy for a mobile device.
 
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