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[DonasaurusRex]

You talk as if GPUs are the only things to be compared, and even then CPU-GPU bandwidth is far less on a PC.

It's not as if PCs won't become powerful in their own way, but we're rapidly reaching the point where differences in specialization show themselves. If the "Gaming PC" is going to continue catching up to what heavily specialized consoles do, you're going to need changes in base cpu/motherboard design that may not be optimal for typical workstation/server use.

...and then there's the whole termal issue...

Yeah thats true PC's are definitely general purpose, but they surpassed last generation with basically GPU's being the big advancement, xbox released in 2001 nov, 9700 pro in 2002 june. However now you got things like the pci e bus getting rid of the old pci bus limitations and its scalable, most parts are integrated onto the mb instead of being add ons, the northbridge is on die with amd cpus, we've moved from the then popular PATA to SATA, dual core this year, quad core next year, Socket M2, the K10.

I just think that overall the pace of PC cpu's and their platforms will have more upgrades and more often than we have seen in past years, i mean if you think about it the EE was a superior chip than PC chips but that didnt stop PC's with better GPU's from surpassing the PS2 graphically. I dont think general purpose cpu's will catch the cell *as far as flops go* or bus bandwidth for some time *if ever* but as a whole the system upgrades coming should suit new gpu's quite well. Either way should be an exciting year coming up.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

agreed

i have a 4800+ cpu, 2gb of ddr, and 2 7800gtx running in SLI, and nothing i can run looks like gears of war

if so point it out to me,,

and doom 3 in ultra mode doenst come close so dont say it

Not only that, the tech going into the video solutions doesn't even currently exist for PC's today.

Also, the CPU tech doesn't exist in PC's today either.

Lazy8 is spreading BS all over the place.

 

[Ruzbeh]

agreed

i have a 4800+ cpu, 2gb of ddr, and 2 7800gtx running in SLI, and nothing i can run looks like gears of war

if so point it out to me,,

and doom 3 in ultra mode doenst come close so dont say it

Did you even bother to read my post? Your system is obviously more powerful than the PS3 or Xbox360, there just isn't anything built for your system, like Gears of War is built for X360. Doom 3 is built to work with something much slower than your system, dude.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Did you even bother to read my post? Your system is obviously more powerful than the PS3 or Xbox360, there just isn't anything built for your system, like Gears of War is built for X360. Doom 3 is built to work with something much slower than your system, dude.

This is false.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Not only that, the tech going into the video solutions doesn't even currently exist for PC's today.

Also, the CPU tech doesn't exist in PC's today either.

Lazy8 is spreading BS all over the place.

...heh but the consoles dont exist today either, I think the whole point is that by the time these consoles are released the pc gpu will have evolved again. Who's to say what their level of power will be?

The cpu tech is a different issue, sony/ibm/toshiba had a vision its not an evolutionary step from some old cpu they had its a totally different path. The cell has an anemic amount of logic circuits for housekeeping compared to a general purpose CPU, and they loaded that bitch up with SPU's and number crunching power the cells floating point processing should be amazing. Intel or AMD could do the same thing but that would be a nightmare for other applications besides games.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

...heh but the consoles dont exist today either, I think the whole point is that by the time these consoles are released the pc gpu will have evolved again. Who's to say what their level of power will be?

The cpu tech is a different issue, sony/ibm/toshiba had a vision its not an evolutionary step from some old cpu they had its a totally different path. The cell has an anemic amount of logic circuits for housekeeping compared to a general purpose CPU, and they loaded that bitch up with SPU's and number crunching power the cells floating point processing should be amazing. Intel or AMD could do the same thing but that would be a nightmare for other applications besides games.

Xbox 360 exists, just not on store shelves. It's coming out in 2 months about. Nothing available for the PC at that time will be close. There is plenty of tech going into these that simply doesn't exist for the PC and won't for quite some time. This is both on the CPU and video level.

 

[J2 Cool]

It'll take a while, a year or two, for pc's to catch up. Consoles are going to get all the exclusively maxed out pc games, and all the engines running at their best. A couple years after though we'll get equal graphics and by the end the pc should start producing games better. It takes time though, and 360/PS3 will certainly be king for a good while.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Xbox 360 exists, just not on store shelves. It's coming out in 2 months about. Nothing available for the PC at that time will be close. There is plenty of tech going into these that simply doesn't exist for the PC and won't for quite some time. This is both on the CPU and video level.

...the spring isnt that long away i can see your point on the cpu level..as far as the PS3 goes....because its a totally different design than any other chip on the market, but the xbox360 is a stripped down tri core PP from IBM, intel and amd will have quadcores next year. Im still not clear as how MS gets their FLOP numbers so ill just say I dunno about the xbox 360 cpu cause i havent seen any benchmarks that isolate the cpu, but we do know where they got the chip , so maybe they'll put some scores up on Spec.org for us all to see the cpu's performance.

What "tech" will these video solutions have that pc's wont have in their spring debut's?

why the hell would ATI and Nvidia make their next gen video cards lacking in this "tech" you speak of a year after they tapped out these designs for consoles a year ago? I would really like to see your source for this "tech". I cant see why Nvidia and ATI would take a step back in designing their next gen vid cards that would lack features already in chips they've already designed. Why would they leave it out? It sure as hell isnt price... Gflops are nice but they arent the end all of overall system performance. We havent even seen or heard much about hte R600 or G80 so id say its a bit early to tell.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

...the spring isnt that long away i can see your point on the cpu level..as far as the PS3 goes....because its a totally different design than any other chip on the market, but the xbox360 is a stripped down tri core PP from IBM, intel and amd will have quadcores next year. Im still not clear as how MS gets their FLOP numbers so ill just say I dunno about the xbox 360 cpu cause i havent seen any benchmarks that isolate the cpu, but we do know where they got the chip , so maybe they'll put some scores up on Spec.org for us all to see the cpu's performance.

What "tech" will these video solutions have that pc's wont have in their spring debut's?

why the hell would ATI and Nvidia make their next gen video cards lacking in this "tech" you speak of a year after they tapped out these designs for consoles a year ago? I would really like to see your source for this "tech". I cant see why Nvidia and ATI would take a step back in designing their next gen vid cards that would lack features already in chips they've already designed. Why would they leave it out? It sure as hell isnt price... Gflops are nice but they arent the end all of overall system performance. We havent even seen or heard much about hte R600 or G80 so id say its a bit early to tell.

I don't have the time to go into all the tech, but one example for the video is unified shaders (for the Xbox 360). There are no such thing right now for PCs and you probably won't see them for another year or so from now. Maybe even longer.

 

[crunker99]

Did you even bother to read my post? Your system is obviously more powerful than the PS3 or Xbox360, there just isn't anything built for your system, like Gears of War is built for X360. Doom 3 is built to work with something much slower than your system, dude.

DOom 3 infact included the ultra mode to provide a mode for video cards with 512mb memory on them and other future cards that had not even been released yet, and my system may be more powerful on paper, (i dont even think it is frankly), but the console are optimized for gameplay,, streamlined BUSes, optimized conduits etc etc... a pc is not.. not to mention the fact that theres not even anything i can put into my SLI setup that is supposed to output something that looks like the xbox360

the only thing that even comes close is 3dmark2005 and that looks great but on some of the tests i dont get 60fps even