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Will Smith slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars

DeafTourette

DeafTourette

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StreetsofBeige said:
Exactly.

No country or society is perfect. Even if someone found some nice upscale retirement town where the average person has a giant house, is retired and drives a Mercedes, there will still be dumb things going on in town.

But every country (or town or company) has a certain amount of norms. Fit in the norm and things go smooth. Act outside the norm being a rebel and it may be fine or it may backfire. And getting back to the hot topic of hair, that's something no different than any other appearance which is a first impressions thing. No different than dressing sloppy or having face tattoos or tongue studs.

There's a big difference between looks and personality between working at at tattoo parlor (very liberal) vs. working at a bank (very conservative). With most companies somewhere in the middle. I've work at an banking/investment company head office year back and depending on your role some people had to still dress in suit and ties. My role wasnt high so I was business casual with other junior people wearing boring cheap button shirts and dockers pants. ZERO people in the office dressed weird, had loud hair, face piercings or any thing like that.

You can be the smartest Elon Musk dude, but trying to overtake a norm (like corporate culture doing your own thing) is begging to be shot down if you walk into an interview looking wacky. That's just the way it is. No different than people dressing in nice clothes at a nice restaurant or for a job interview. Technically, you can try slumming it hoping they love you enough to offer you a job or dinner, but there's good possibility you'll be shot down in some form.
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I'm at work so I don't have a lot of time to address everything but the thing that continues to stand out to me is how you keep saying "looking sloppy, unkempt, dirty, etc" ... When presented with examples of hairstyles that aren't any of those things... And how you also added in a previous post saying "those aren't too bad" suggesting that they're still ugly.

I get that what you consider nice looking and what I consider the same can be different because it's suggestive. But what isn't is that those hair styles are NEAT, not sloppy, well done and nary a hair out of place. Here in Atlanta, I've seen black women with those types of hairstyles IN the bank at the teller position or in those side offices.

It kinda ticks me off that you keep associating those hairstyles that don't conform to European beauty standards as "sloppy, ugly, unkempt". I know you're in Canada but do you have ANY black women friends who style their hair different from straight?
 
DeafTourette

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jason10mm said:
See, I would side with you a bit more if it was JADA that walked up there, slapped Rock, and then left or whatever. But it was WILL, so Jada's feelings were largely unknown to him since I don't think she told him anything between the joke and him walking up there. He interpreted her body language at best (and this was all pre-planned at worst). He then supposedly refused the managers request to leave (if you beleive that statement) and went on to gush about his award.

Besides, the "reasonable persons interpretation" IS relevant here, as that is what a jury would use if this were to go to court. Would a reasonable person think that joke said at that event to that person justifies someone ELSE walking up to slap Rock? I gotta think that no, the reasonable person doesn't go there.
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I heard that about the academy... I also heard the producer of the show told Will to stay.

If the producer tells me to stay and that I don't have to leave, I'm staying in my seat.
 
PaddyOCanager

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lachesis said:
I also noticed that in Asia - Korea, Japan etc... quite a few more seem to think Chris Rock as the perpetrator, he's the bad one.
Although many don't think violence is the answer, they say they would have done the same in Will's shoe. I was quite surprised, honestly.

Cultural differences, I guess. They just don't seem to understand that actually being "joked" on that stage is almost some sort of a nod to be so famous... and that Jada joke was pretty tame and lame.
He even added "Jada, I love you" first -which really means he's just joking.

For them, Chris Rock is just a rude comedian who made joke of little Asian kids while introducing them as future accountants or phone makers on 2016 Oscars... while Will Smith being the examplary success story - so that didn't help either.

I guess they just don't know that real man would have just laughed with the joke and probably add a bit more in "Married with Children" style. :)
(Then again, many friends/families think I'm an Americanized banana back home.)
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If violence is ok, where is the line then? Is Will Smith allowed to murder Chris Rock for his speech? If not, then logically that must mean these people agree there is a level of violence that is condoned and a level of violence that is not condoned. Who or what establishes that line? How do you logically run a society based on such metrics of variable violence? Unless you don't care about protecting free speech of course.
 
scoobidoo112

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DeafTourette said:
That's also over 25 years ago! LMBO! You realize people change over time, right? OMG! LOL!
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OmG! LmFAo! OmEGALulZ! LoL! Christ, it's like I'm back on 2004 MSN.

Notice how he didn't get smacked in the face in that clip for making a joke? And now he's committing assault for someone doing the same thing?

The "people change over time" thing only works when people turn themselves into better people, not when they lose their fucking mind. Try again.
 
akimbo009

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PaddyOCanager said:
This wasn't a man defending his wife's honor. This was an insecure, emasculated, manipulated and troubled man lashing out in a moment of weakness. If you care to do so, there's sufficient evidence readily available that establishes a clear picture of what led Will Smith to this moment (going back to his childhood).

Will Smith is a good man who needs therapy. You can have the whole world as your oyster, but it doesn't mean a damn thing if there is trouble in your home, and unresolved trauma from your past. I condemn the man's actions, not the man himself - I hope this horrible event leads to a better path for this man.

Chris Rock straight up did nothing wrong. I have a tremendous amount of respect for how he's handled the situation.
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Maybe Chris Rock could play Will Smith in the inevitable movie biopic of Smith's life...
 
strange headache

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So the Academy lied about asking Will Smith to leave:

Will Packer walked up to Will Smith just after 8 PM, around 35 minutes after the slap. That's when he told Will he could stay, according to our sources. Will won the Best Actor Award around 5 minutes later.
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Also the reason why they never reached consensus was due to the optics of throwing out a black person:

During Tuesday's installment of The View, Goldberg, who is a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences' board of governors, discussed the series of events surrounding the incident. Whoopi Goldberg has suggested that Will Smith wasn't removed from Sunday's Oscars after slapping Chris Rock because the show's bosses didn't want to have to explain why they were "taking the Black man out" of the ceremony
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This is so f*cked up and clearly shows the hypocritical double standard of Hollywood's demented wokeism.
 
12Goblins

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Airbus Jr said:
Never said what will smith did was right

But chris rock also a masive cunt for sayin that

Edit turns out i did some research and this isnt the first time rock targetting jada so hes obviously on to something

Both deserved to be punished for what they did

Have a nice day
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just curious what would be your reaction if Rock had put Jada on blast for having an affair , or making a cuck joke at Will's expense? because I feel like if that were the case, more people would be sympathetic to wills response, at least in the US, but I suspect it's other way around for you

not trying to dogpile on u brother
 
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lachesis

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PaddyOCanager said:
If violence is ok, where is the line then? Is Will Smith allowed to murder Chris Rock for his speech? If not, then logically that must mean these people agree there is a level of violence that is condoned and a level of violence that is not condoned. Who or what establishes that line? How do you logically run a society based on such metrics of variable violence? Unless you don't care about protecting free speech of course.
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Well, I can't vouch on everyone over there - It's not really saying "violence is okay"... that's something of "result" of what Rock said to Jada/Smith (and what Will did is wrong to most people).
I think they are more "sympathetic" to Will Smith.

However, I can safely say that what I'm keep hearing is
"you never let others insult your family/woman (or you are not a man)"
"you don't insult someone's sick wife - if you did, you are the bad guy - and should expect blow back if you did"

You know, that macho-idea like the movie "Taken" & the vigilante justice.

They are not really advocating violence, but I think it's more of siding/sympathizing with the standing up against mockery done to your loved one.
So in our point of view, blaming Rock is victim blaming. But their point of view, while Rock is indeed a victim of violence, he gave Smith the reason to hit him.
And unlike female, violence against men - especially non-fatal ones tend to go overlooked in its severity over there too.

On top of that, you know - the language barrier. The humor lost in translation. Not knowing the whole situation (many thought Jada had some terminal illness).
I can tell however, in personal experience, is that it did take me a while to understand Western stand-up comic humor. And many thought it was just rude remark.

Back in the early 90s when I was first introduced to western stand-up comic via great George Carlin... at first, I was pretty shocked & offended.
I thought who the heck is this old guy talking shit over everything? But after watching a few more of his specials on HBO and other comics... I started understand and appreciate more and more of the art of western stand-up comics... (and now enjoy very much)... and I'm squarely in Chris Rock side in this case.

The concept of freedom is also much narrower. They take the freedom as you are free as long as you don't bother/hurt anyone doing so. It's much more strict in a way & shame the self indulgence.
For that specific reason, I often get called out being selfish and too individualistic in many cases.
 
StreetsofBeige

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DeafTourette said:
I'm at work so I don't have a lot of time to address everything but the thing that continues to stand out to me is how you keep saying "looking sloppy, unkempt, dirty, etc" ... When presented with examples of hairstyles that aren't any of those things... And how you also added in a previous post saying "those aren't too bad" suggesting that they're still ugly.

I get that what you consider nice looking and what I consider the same can be different because it's suggestive. But what isn't is that those hair styles are NEAT, not sloppy, well done and nary a hair out of place. Here in Atlanta, I've seen black women with those types of hairstyles IN the bank at the teller position or in those side offices.

It kinda ticks me off that you keep associating those hairstyles that don't conform to European beauty standards as "sloppy, ugly, unkempt". I know you're in Canada but do you have ANY black women friends who style their hair different from straight?
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You have a hard time understanding what I meant. Out of your hair example, the only one I singled out as wacky is the one with the weird stuff on the bac of the woman's head. The other hairstyles are fine enough for most places.

Your definition of NEAT being the only requirement for acceptable hair is wrong. Colin Kaepernick technically has a NEAT afro. It's big and round. If he was a normal guy looking for a normal job, almost nobody is going to hire him no matter how neat and tidy he makes his giant afro with an 18 inch radius.

You seem to not look at reality and notice few jobs of high level have nobody with crazy hair. And you ignore I bring up bad hair with other bad appearances. So to you, someone with NEAT symmetrical tattoos all over their face with perfectly dyed pink hair would be acceptable too. It wont in 99% of places and jobs.

But as I said to you before, I bet you dont have a decent job or work in modest office environments. Because if you ever did, youd notice this already. And if you really want to get conservative, work at a head office of a financial institution (I have) where 20 floors of people in business casual and suit and tie attire. You wont see one crazy hairdo, face piercing or pink hair in the entire building. Thats life.

Dont get me wrong. I know in these kinds of threads you always fight the fight to protect your culture. But you got to look at reality.
 
Heimdall_Xtreme

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hahahaha


*slap*
After the slap in the temporal lobe, restructuring axons and neurons... 1 second after brain reset.

ho ho Wow!!!

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PaddyOCanager

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lachesis said:
However, I can safely say that what I'm keep hearing is
"you never let others insult your family/woman (or you are not a man)"
"you don't insult someone's sick wife - if you did, you are the bad guy - and should expect blow back if you did"

You know, that macho-idea like the movie "Taken" & the vigilante justice.
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Yeah, I've heard the "being a man" argument. Will Smith didn't act like a man, he acted like a 3 year old child.

A strong, competent man doesn't risk his life, his freedom, his property, the future safety and security of his children - over a joke.

A strong, competent woman doesn't want her man to martyr himself for her so called "honor".

Will risked everything over a joke. Jada not only encouraged it, but laughed in the aftermath.

If Will Smith was a "real man" he would've laughed it off - because he's Will fucking Smith - then when accepting his award he would've taken his own verbal shots at Chris, followed up by spotlighting how stunning and brave he thinks his wife is. Instead, he acted like a weak man desperately seeking to display his masculinity and win the approval of his wife - which he never will, because the man she wants to be with is dead.
 
DeepBreath87

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PaddyOCanager said:
Yeah, I've heard the "being a man" argument. Will Smith didn't act like a man, he acted like a 3 year old child.

A strong, competent man doesn't risk his life, his freedom, his property, the future safety and security of his children - over a joke.

A strong, competent woman doesn't want her man to martyr himself for her so called "honor".

Will risked everything over a joke. Jada not only encouraged it, but laughed in the aftermath.

If Will Smith was a "real man" he would've laughed it off - because he's Will fucking Smith - then when accepting his award he would've taken his own verbal shots at Chris, followed up by spotlighting how stunning and brave he thinks his wife is. Instead, he acted like a weak man desperately seeking to display his masculinity and win the approval of his wife - which he never will, because the man she wants to be with is dead.
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And he invited infinitely more insulting and degrading language to be aimed at him and his family. Because that’s what you do when you display weakness. You invite more trouble. You think there aren’t opportunistic assholes itching to try to get under Will’s skin? People who can’t wait to file a lawsuit or paparazzi hoping to rile him up for a controversy. Those are terrible people. But Will Smith just showed them he’s weak to that kind of thing.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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PaddyOCanager said:
Yeah, I've heard the "being a man" argument. Will Smith didn't act like a man, he acted like a 3 year old child.

A strong, competent man doesn't risk his life, his freedom, his property, the future safety and security of his children - over a joke.

A strong, competent woman doesn't want her man to martyr himself for her so called "honor".

Will risked everything over a joke. Jada not only encouraged it, but laughed in the aftermath.

If Will Smith was a "real man" he would've laughed it off - because he's Will fucking Smith - then when accepting his award he would've taken his own verbal shots at Chris, followed up by spotlighting how stunning and brave he thinks his wife is. Instead, he acted like a weak man desperately seeking to display his masculinity and win the approval of his wife - which he never will, because the man she wants to be with is dead.
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Trying to prove youre a tough guy is something very skewed to being young. At some point whether it's school or college age you get all amped up and the world expects men to act like knights in shining armour ready to lay waste to evil doers. It's a kind of attitude meant for young people.

Will Smith is 53 years old, acting like a 13 year old.

It gets to a point, you "should" outgrow it. It's not like Chris Rock is trying to kill will or Jada. He's cracking jokes on stage at a awards show. The second that GIJANE joke is over, he's moving on to the next bit.

I outgrew it. My last fights were in high school where were pissing each other off in gym class hitting each other.

Just to show how stupid Will Smith is acting like a child, look at all the times someone pissed you off as an adult.... road rage, someone at work you hear is badmouthing you maybe trying to get you fired from your job, people acting like a jerk and bumping into you, some cashier giving you attitude etc....

How many times out of all of these have you went up to the guy and hit him? And look at what I posted above. There could be people trying to get you fired at work claiming you messed up ("people were saying you messed up the file"). Chances are probably zero times. Angry? Yeah. Enough to hit a guy in a parking lot or at work? Probably not.
 
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beyond the slap though its odd no one is talking about his speech and obvious delusions of grandeur. dude has some serious issues going on.
 
SiteSeer

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usctrojan said:
beyond the slap though its odd no one is talking about his speech and obvious delusions of grandeur. dude has some serious issues going on.
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come on man it’s the oscars, where rich and famous people go onstage to congratulate other rich and famous people and give each other golden statues for all the world to see. other types of rich people fuck off into the middle of the ocean on some yacht, these people have their heads firmly up their own asses, delusions of grandeur may be the least surprising trait amongst them.
 
Hawking Radiation

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usctrojan said:
beyond the slap though its odd no one is talking about his speech and obvious delusions of grandeur. dude has some serious issues going on.
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He has a narcissistic wife who has been emotionally controlling him for years. Remember she fucked one of her sons friends while married to this guy.

She has him on a leesh and while its easy to blame him for the incident, where the fuck is she since this all went down? She hasn't uttered a single word in defense of Will, while he has assaulted someone else in defense of her.
Also she's left a vague as post on IG. Just a lame ass 'I'm here for the healing' BS . There's no 'We' in that message in reference to her husband or family. It's 'I' and has always been that way for a long time.

Unfortunately he's taking the brunt of the heat right now and its telling that she's doing sweet fuck all to either defend him or address this issue from her point of view.
As a caring human being you expect her to mount some sort of defense since Will is under all sorts of pressure from the media, social media and some of his fans but where is Jada? August is probably blowing her back out. That's where the fuck she is.
 
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Vestal

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Why is this shit still a thing?

The amount of whataboutism, fake outrage, and honestly hijacking of the whole situation... Like seriously?


It was a "bad" joke to get a cheap laugh, just like many hosts at the Oscars have done in the past. It was an atrocious reaction by Will Smith, honestly I thought he was better than that. I mean, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.. You don't go slap someone on stage the same night you are nominated(and won) a fucking award. This is not a black or white thing, not a man vs woman thing.. This is just plain ol' being DUMB as fuck in how to handle a situation.
 
Hawking Radiation

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Vestal said:
Why is this shit still a thing?

The amount of whataboutism, fake outrage, and honestly hijacking of the whole situation... Like seriously?


It was a "bad" joke to get a cheap laugh, just like many hosts at the Oscars have done in the past. It was an atrocious reaction by Will Smith, honestly I thought he was better than that. I mean, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.. You don't go slap someone on stage the same night you are nominated(and won) a fucking award. This is not a black or white thing, not a man vs woman thing.. This is just plain ol' being DUMB as fuck in how to handle a situation.
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Its a thing because now there will be security concerns for show hosts or comedians around the country or around the world.
What is stopping anyone else from doing this at your local comedy club?
I mean they're putting up signs at comedy clubs around America regarding this incident, warning people of bans if this kind of behavior occurs on the premises.

Its a thing because kids look up to A list actors. They are role models and with this kind of behavior, what kind of message does this send to our youth?

Its also another thing that highlights narcissism and how it can affect someone to the point where they act impulsively to negative emotions even for a harmless joke.

Then there's the thing about the academy itself and how fucking poorly they've handled this. Its now not just a spotlight on Will but the whole fucking organization and how inept and full of shit they all are.

It may be just a slap to you but because of the large audience these people command it is much more than just that.
 
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DeafTourette

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StreetsofBeige said:
You have a hard time understanding what I meant. Out of your hair example, the only one I singled out as wacky is the one with the weird stuff on the bac of the woman's head. The other hairstyles are fine enough for most places.

Your definition of NEAT being the only requirement for acceptable hair is wrong. Colin Kaepernick technically has a NEAT afro. It's big and round. If he was a normal guy looking for a normal job, almost nobody is going to hire him no matter how neat and tidy he makes his giant afro with an 18 inch radius.

You seem to not look at reality and notice few jobs of high level have nobody with crazy hair. And you ignore I bring up bad hair with other bad appearances. So to you, someone with NEAT symmetrical tattoos all over their face with perfectly dyed pink hair would be acceptable too. It wont in 99% of places and jobs.

But as I said to you before, I bet you dont have a decent job or work in modest office environments. Because if you ever did, youd notice this already. And if you really want to get conservative, work at a head office of a financial institution (I have) where 20 floors of people in business casual and suit and tie attire. You wont see one crazy hairdo, face piercing or pink hair in the entire building. Thats life.

Dont get me wrong. I know in these kinds of threads you always fight the fight to protect your culture. But you got to look at reality.
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Ok ...

I'm 47. I grew up in Mississippi. I left Mississippi 15 years ago to work at a magazine (which is now defunct) where I was deputy editor. Met Christian Audigier, Chilli from TLC, Roy Jones Jr and other celebrities. Been on location for photoshoots. Covered E3 twice (as in BEING there). Wrote and edited articles. So I'm familiar with actual office etiquette and dress codes. I'm used to dressing up and making myself presentable in company with wealthy individuals and and celebrities.

I haven't been part of that industry in AGES! Not since 2013. Why? Depression which lead me to doubt myself and just work blue collar jobs. I'm having to re-find myself and rebuild my confidence. At 47.

I'm working to get into a different business where I would be working with some amazing people (technically I already do but anyway...) and making good money again.

It's been hard but as I've mentioned BEFORE, I am familiar with work settings and have witnessed many black women professionals with hair similar to the ones in the pics I posted yesterday. Shoot... One woman on our board is a lawyer and she has locs!

I know you weren't trying to disparage me but I wanted to give you a bit more background on me since you think you had me figured out.

Oh, and I can provide proof to backup what I claimed was my former job.
 
Porcile

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nush said:
Surprise, only Porcile Porcile has said "He comes across as a complete psychopath" not that he was a psychopath. 1 person that you have locked onto typing that and then got all up in your feels.
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I said he came across as a psycho, meaning a randomly violent weirdo (which he did, by the way) and that was before I had even seen his fucking weird acceptance speech.
 
nush

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Porcile said:
I said he came across as a psycho, meaning a randomly violent weirdo (which he did, by the way) and that was before I had even seen his fucking weird acceptance speech.
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Of course, it was a similarly not a statement of fact.
 
demigod

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SlimySnake said:
Yeah, but he was laughing out loud at the GI Jane joke at first so he hasnt changed in 25 years.
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I lost all respect for Will Smith. He was laughing at the joke, looked at Jada’s face/body language and had to stand up for her. What a little bitch he is. How the hell you gonna punch a comedian for a joke when you yourself is one? I hope someone replaces his ass in I am Legend 2.

Chris Rock took that shit like a man.
 
ManaByte

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StreetsofBeige

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DeafTourette said:
Ok ...

I'm 47. I grew up in Mississippi. I left Mississippi 15 years ago to work at a magazine (which is now defunct) where I was deputy editor. Met Christian Audigier, Chilli from TLC, Roy Jones Jr and other celebrities. Been on location for photoshoots. Covered E3 twice (as in BEING there). Wrote and edited articles. So I'm familiar with actual office etiquette and dress codes. I'm used to dressing up and making myself presentable in company with wealthy individuals and and celebrities.

I haven't been part of that industry in AGES! Not since 2013. Why? Depression which lead me to doubt myself and just work blue collar jobs. I'm having to re-find myself and rebuild my confidence. At 47.

I'm working to get into a different business where I would be working with some amazing people (technically I already do but anyway...) and making good money again.

It's been hard but as I've mentioned BEFORE, I am familiar with work settings and have witnessed many black women professionals with hair similar to the ones in the pics I posted yesterday. Shoot... One woman on our board is a lawyer and she has locs!

I know you weren't trying to disparage me but I wanted to give you a bit more background on me since you think you had me figured out.

Oh, and I can provide proof to backup what I claimed was my former job.
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And that's fine we can agree to disagree.

All I'm saying (hence my 99% claim which people use 99% as an exaggerated stat for sake of argument) is that out of the norm hair, dress, tattoos etc.... is going to lead to being difficult getting hired.

It makes no difference how smart someone is or how good their resume is.

Is that discriminatory? I guess so. But thats the way life works. You got to put on a good impression to get people to like you and not feel weird. Thats why someything as common as going for a job interview, you typically dont have people slumming it looking like shit with bed head. At worst, you got people wearing normal casual clothes like kids applying for a job at McDonalds where they fill out an application form at the restaurant beside the supervisor (while I eat lunch two tables down). A job like that nobody expects someone coming in wearing a suit. Or at my work (warehouse connected), blue collar guys come in either wearing a very basic cheap button shirt, or come in wearing jeans. Again, not the kind of job people expect someone to come in all dressed up for work or an interview. But for most decent jobs, there's a certain level of etiquette and dress code you got to do.

For example, my company is business casual with casual Fridays. Even with casual Fridays, it's still need to wear nice jeans (no ripped up stuff), closed toe shoes, and collared shirts. So youre not supposed to come in wearing sandals and a Beavis and Butthead ACDC stained Tshirt.

Thats just the way it is in many places. Hey, I'd love it if I could come in wearing sweatpants and my cheap ass black XL George Tshirt I buy from Walmart for $10 (which as crazy as it sounds is the best basic Tshirt I've ever bought), but the company would tell me to home and changed. Or at best, tell me it's ok today, but next time dont do it again.

It might be hard ass office politics, but I've seen people asked to go home and change after showing up to work wearing decent looking jeans when it wasnt a Friday.
 
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DeafTourette

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StreetsofBeige said:
And that's fine we can agree to disagree.

All I'm saying (hence my 99% claim which people use 99% as an exaggerated stat for sake of argument) is that out of the norm hair, dress, tattoos etc.... is going to lead to being difficult getting hired.

It makes no difference how smart someone is or how good their resume is.

Is that discriminatory? I guess so. But thats the way life works. You got to put on a good impression to get people to like you and not feel weird. Thats why someything as common as going for a job interview, you typically dont have people slumming it looking like shit with bed head. At worst, you got people wearing normal casual clothes like kids applying for a job at McDonalds where they fill out an application form at the restaurant beside the supervisor (while I eat lunch two tables down). A job like that nobody expects someone coming in wearing a suit. Or at my work (warehouse connected), blue collar guys come in either wearing a very basic cheap button shirt, or come in wearing jeans. Again, not the kind of job people expect someone to come in all dressed up for work or an interview. But for most decent jobs, there's a certain level of etiquette and dress code you got to do.

For example, my company is business casual with casual Fridays. Even with casual Fridays, it's still need to wear nice jeans (no ripped up stuff), closed toe shoes, and collared shirts. So youre not supposed to come in wearing sandals and a Beavis and Butthead ACDC stained Tshirt.

Thats just the way it is in many places. Hey, I'd love it if I could come in wearing sweatpants and my cheap ass black XL George Tshirt I buy from Walmart for $10 (which as crazy as it sounds is the best basic Tshirt I've ever bought), but the company would tell me to home and changed. Or at best, tell me it's ok today, but next time dont do it again.

It might be hard ass office politics, but I've seen people asked to go home and change after showing up to work wearing decent looking jeans when it wasnt a Friday.
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I get you. I do. I'm just not using extreme examples like what you're stating.

We're just gonna agree to disagree. Like men.
 
StreetsofBeige

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DeafTourette said:
I get you. I do. I'm just not using extreme examples like what you're stating.

We're just gonna agree to disagree. Like men.
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Thats fine. No worries.

But Ill give you real life example from my good buddy who is VP. We've had this exact same discussion before. I forget how or why we even talked about it. I gave him the exact same scenario if an ultra good candidate came in with face tattoos. Would you hire him?

"Not a chance"

His reasoning is imagine having this guy in a big board meeting or online conference and a bunch of other high level execs see a guy like this, and they know I hired him. They'd think it's a clown show.

He'd just find another candidate out there to hire who has the skills and personality without the dramatics of looks.
 
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