Wimbledon 2014 |OT| Best Sport on Grass

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greenleaves said:
Well, Nadal did have seven months to mull over the 2012 loss. It's natural that he doesn't like Rosol much. I'm interested in seeing a Fedal match at Wimbledon now that Rafa seems to be playing well on grass again. The grass tempers Nadal's forehand somewhat, which should allow Federer to defend better against it, even in his declined state.
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Yea, but you won the match. At least look at him when he's saying something to you and don't turn your head.
 
Isner is the US's last chance to get a man in the third round. Honestly I hope he loses because screw patrick McEnroe and his worthless US development program. He'll cash that paycheck though. Tennis interest in the US at an amateur level has taken quite a hit over the past 5 years as a partial result of non competitive Americans other than Serena on the women's side /rant

Niraj said:
Are you from the future?
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Yes. After querry was broken to give tsonga the lead at 12-13 it was over. I may have posted that a few seconds before tsonga officially won but it was a formality
 
I'm praying that Watson shows Kerber the way out, but that's probably too much to ask for.
 
snk2 said:
Did you guys catch Rosol intentionally knocking over Rafa's water bottle?
what a douche, why would you do that?
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Missed that. That's awesome. When did he do that? After he lost the second set? Maybe he was getting back at Nadal for the body check Nadal gave him last time they played? ;)
 
This is what I get for watching world cup coverage instead - missed Bepa going through another round. Good job!
 
Porthos said:
Missed that. That's awesome. When did he do that? After he lost the second set? Maybe he was getting back at Nadal for the body check Nadal gave him last time they played? ;)
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Being petty and knocking over people's things is awesome now? The hate here for Nadal is ridiculous. If Nadal had that done that it would have been "OMG he's horrible".
 
Peru said:
This is what I get for watching world cup coverage instead - missed Bepa going through another round. Good job!
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She is the only woman given a 0.0% chance of making it to the 4th round from that odds makers chart you linked in the tennis thread. Only one more win till she's in the 4th round!

My girl Madison keys is also through to the 3rd round
 
Ash_69 said:
Federer turned into a servebot. 25 aces in three sets. Poor muller didn't stand a chance.
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Federer's been a serve-bot for a while now. I think it's to compensate for the fact that his RoS has been his fastest declining shot, as he doesn't have the reaction times, so he focuses more on not getting broken than he does on breaking. It's tactically pretty smart and should give him some more career longevity.
 
Not enough love for the Kyrgios win in here.

19 yrs old, 2 sets down, somehow comes back and wins after saving nine match points. Impressively, most of the saves were him taking advantage of Gasquets tentative play and hitting some big shots.

Special talent and loves the big stage. As an Aussie, I'm excited! Hope he doesn't have a letdown against the Czech qualifier in the 3rd round because then we'll probably see him have a crack at Nadal in the 4th - would see some serious fireworks!
 
Tonche said:
Not enough love for the Kyrgios win in here.

19 yrs old, 2 sets down, somehow comes back and wins after saving nine match points. Impressively, most of the saves were him taking advantage of Gasquets tentative play and hitting some big shots.

Special talent and loves the big stage. As an Aussie, I'm excited! Hope he doesn't have a letdown against the Czech qualifier in the 3rd round because then we'll probably see him have a crack at Nadal in the 4th - would see some serious fireworks!
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He's looking brilliant already. And glad to see the fitness is taken care of.
 
Tonche said:
Not enough love for the Kyrgios win in here.

19 yrs old, 2 sets down, somehow comes back and wins after saving nine match points. Impressively, most of the saves were him taking advantage of Gasquets tentative play and hitting some big shots.

Special talent and loves the big stage. As an Aussie, I'm excited! Hope he doesn't have a letdown against the Czech qualifier in the 3rd round because then we'll probably see him have a crack at Nadal in the 4th - would see some serious fireworks!
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kyrgios and kokkinakis are both huge prospects for Australia and they push eachother immensely. Healthy competition between the two has made them both better and right now Kyrgios is pushing ahead a bit, but Australia has quite a few 18-21 year old future stars that push eachother. Wish the same could be said about US players. All we have in the 18-21 range is Jack Sock, and he has no one to push him and puts in less than average work into his game. As a US tennis fan, as bad as things look, I wish I could take solace in knowing good prospects were on the way, but thats just not the case. We have a few promising 16 year olds, (Kozlov, Mmoh, Tiafoe) but it will be a few years before we'll know if either of them will be good pro players. Going back to what was predicted in 2007, Donald Young was supposed to have a couple of majors by now, and Ryan Harrison, the youngest tennis player to win an ATP tour match since Nadal ( age 15 ) was supposed to be top 10 by now.

Sorry I went off topic, but yeah your Aussie guys are looking good, and if Tomic gets his attitude/daddy issues/girlfriend issues in check, he'll be a slam threat again soon. Perfect timing as Hewitt winds down his career.
 
greenleaves said:
Wow, Kyrgios saves 9 match points against Gasquet, then takes his only match point(?) to win.
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Dommo said:
Holy shit Kyrgios vs Gasquet ended up being huuuuuge.

5 set match, Kyrgios saves 3 match points. Then in his next service game he serves a double fault to lose the match -- EXCEPT, he challenged and it was actually good.

Gasquet ends up getting 9 total match points - doesn't manage to convert any of them.

Kyrgios breaks Gasquet, then wins his service game to love, winning the match. He only saw one match point, and took it. Crazy. Feel so bad for Gasquet but Kyrgios is going to be a good fucking player.
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Tonche said:
Not enough love for the Kyrgios win in here.

19 yrs old, 2 sets down, somehow comes back and wins after saving nine match points. Impressively, most of the saves were him taking advantage of Gasquets tentative play and hitting some big shots.

Special talent and loves the big stage. As an Aussie, I'm excited! Hope he doesn't have a letdown against the Czech qualifier in the 3rd round because then we'll probably see him have a crack at Nadal in the 4th - would see some serious fireworks!
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perfectchaos007 said:
kyrgios and kokkinakis are both huge prospects for Australia and they push eachother immensely. Healthy competition between the two has made them both better and right now Kyrgios is pushing ahead a bit, but Australia has quite a few 18-21 year old future stars that push eachother. Wish the same could be said about US players. All we have in the 18-21 range is Jack Sock, and he has no one to push him and puts in less than average work into his game. As a US tennis fan, as bad as things look, I wish I could take solace in knowing good prospects were on the way, but thats just not the case. We have a few promising 16 year olds, (Kozlov, Mmoh, Tiafoe) but it will be a few years before we'll know if either of them will be good pro players. Going back to what was predicted in 2007, Donald Young was supposed to have a couple of majors by now, and Ryan Harrison, the youngest tennis player to win an ATP tour match since Nadal ( age 15 ) was supposed to be top 10 by now.

Sorry I went off topic, but yeah your Aussie guys are looking good, and if Tomic gets his attitude/daddy issues/girlfriend issues in check, he'll be a slam threat again soon. Perfect timing as Hewitt winds down his career.
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Great performance by Krygios and not to short changing a few other Aussie performances either. There have been some shit performances though *cough* Stosur has to stop choking.

Krygios holds his nerve and finally with Tomic & Krygios we have some taller blokes with big serves to help their respective games. Hewitt has been a legend and given his injuries and poor serve in the modern game I'm amazed he still competes at this level, absolute fighting champion. Also Krygios is the highest ranked teenager on the tour and these results are only going to solidify that further. I don't want to add pressure and Gasquet should have one at least one of 9 match points but I hope for great things from a few of the younger Aussie guys'n'gals.

So I'm updating this from the start of the tourney:

Ozzy Onya A2Z said:
My Aussie predictions:

1. Dellacqua posts a better result that Stosur
YES

2. Matosevic out first round against Verdasco
NO

3. Tomic easily beats Donskoy but out in second round against Berdych
YES

4. Hewitt wins first match against Pryzsiezny out in a 4 setter against Janowicz next round
IN PROGRESS

5. Saville makes round 3
MADE SECOND ROUND NOT THIRD

6. Groth wins against Dolgopolov but out second round.
NO

7. Ebden makes round 3
BIG NOPE

8. Duckworth out against Gasquet first round
YES

9. Kyrgios beats Robert and then out against Gasquet in second round
YES THEN NO, GREAT WORK MATE

10. Gajdosova out against Voegele first round
YES

11. Stosur out against Wozniacki
BIG NOPE & CHOKE FIRST ROUND
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perfectchaos007 said:
kyrgios and kokkinakis are both huge prospects for Australia and they push eachother immensely. Healthy competition between the two has made them both better and right now Kyrgios is pushing ahead a bit, but Australia has quite a few 18-21 year old future stars that push eachother. Wish the same could be said about US players. All we have in the 18-21 range is Jack Sock, and he has no one to push him and puts in less than average work into his game. As a US tennis fan, as bad as things look, I wish I could take solace in knowing good prospects were on the way, but thats just not the case. We have a few promising 16 year olds, (Kozlov, Mmoh, Tiafoe) but it will be a few years before we'll know if either of them will be good pro players. Going back to what was predicted in 2007, Donald Young was supposed to have a couple of majors by now, and Ryan Harrison, the youngest tennis player to win an ATP tour match since Nadal ( age 15 ) was supposed to be top 10 by now.

Sorry I went off topic, but yeah your Aussie guys are looking good, and if Tomic gets his attitude/daddy issues/girlfriend issues in check, he'll be a slam threat again soon. Perfect timing as Hewitt winds down his career.
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Yeah, I find it fascinating how tough the transition from a successful junior to pro is in tennis. In a lot of (particularly team) sports, the top juniors go on to have serviceable careers at a minimum or become superstars at best. Could be the development programs team have in place vs. trying to do it alone, the grind of the tennis lifestyle, physical requirements, I'm not sure.
 
Interesting...

Roger Federer says shot clocks might soon be introduced to speed up play.

After advancing to the third round at Wimbledon, Federer said the ATP Player Council is discussing such an extreme measure because of players abusing the rule allowing 20 seconds between points at Grand Slams.

Federer, who fears tennis could lose viewers and fans if it's too slow, said, "I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen all of a sudden. Because you only just need a couple of guys always doing it, and that's when it happens."

The council's next meeting is in August.

Among the players often infringing on the rule is Rafael Nadal, who was criticized Thursday by his second-round opponent, Lukas Rosol, for his slow pace.
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http://espn.go.com/tennis/wimbledon...lls-faster-play-talks-shot-clock-introduction
 
mackaveli said:
Doesn't Djovokic bounce the ball like 13 times every serve no matter what?
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Supposedly once the server gets to the baseline in preparation to serve, he/she can stay there as long as they want. The "clock" is supposed to stop once they get to the line to serve. clock starts immediately after the last point is over, and ends once the server gets to the line to serve. So Djokovic should be able to bounce the ball as long as he wants so long as he has his feet set to serve.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z said:
I like the shot clock idea, they should introduce another layered rule restricting the number of ball bounces before serving and other idiosyncrasies as well :)
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I hate it when people actually are liking this idea. What's the problem of a long preparation? Djokovic, Nadal and many other players just need the time. They wouldn't be as good as they are now without it. I know it from reallife tennis. You need the time to calm down, to process with the last point, to think about the next point. Tennis is a brain game.

High ball bounce count let's you focus more.
 
Faith said:
I hate it when people actually are liking this idea. What's the problem of a long preparation? Djokovic, Nadal and many other players just need the time. They wouldn't be as good as they are now without it. I know it from reallife tennis. You need the time to calm down, to process with the last point, to think about the next point. Tennis is a brain game.

High ball bounce count let's you focus more.
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I think the time clock rules are fine where they are at this point. It truly is a reasonable amount of time to prepare for the next point. Keep in mind, for us amateurs, retrieving the tennis ball/s from the previous point generally is the biggest time consumer between points. Pros have ball kids to do that for them, so every second can be spent toweling off, catching their breath, and mentally preparing for the next point. Its more than a sufficient amount of time. I wouldn't change it.
 
Faith said:
I hate it when people actually are liking this idea. What's the problem of a long preparation? Djokovic, Nadal and many other players just need the time. They wouldn't be as good as they are now without it. I know it from reallife tennis. You need the time to calm down, to process with the last point, to think about the next point. Tennis is a brain game.

High ball bounce count let's you focus more.
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Nobody's saying that people don't need time (which Federer also acknowledged), but the problem is people are taking too much time. You can't tell me that Nadal needs to take that long in between points. Nobody needs to. Whether he wants to is a different story. There are occasions where they should just let things be, like that Cibulkova match yesterday, where the other girl's rhythm got totally disrupted after she got a time violation very late in the third set. There also needs to be some kind of consistency though. It's a pain in the ass to watch sometimes, so I can only imagine how the players feel.
 
Faith said:
I hate it when people actually are liking this idea. What's the problem of a long preparation?
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I'm not a fan of the time rule either, but if you're going to have the dumb rule, then there has to be some kind of shot clock. The way they do it now makes no sense whatsoever. How the hell does a player know if he's at 23 seconds or 27 seconds? They're not out there counting 1001, 1002, 1003, etc. to themselves after every point. For the life of me I can't understand how someone can be penalized for something when they don't even know how many seconds have passed. There's a reason they have big-ass shotclocks that are easily visible to all players in the NBA and NFL. So that the players know how much time they have.

And even with a shotclock, the time limit would have to be increased anyway. There are too many situations where the ballboy drops the ball, or they take several seconds before noticing the player is motioning for a towel, or someone from the crowd yells something and the player has to reset. A hard 20-25 second time rule just doesn't leave any leeway for any of these unexpected, yet common situations.
 
Faith said:
I hate it when people actually are liking this idea. What's the problem of a long preparation? Djokovic, Nadal and many other players just need the time. They wouldn't be as good as they are now without it. I know it from reallife tennis. You need the time to calm down, to process with the last point, to think about the next point. Tennis is a brain game.

High ball bounce count let's you focus more.
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The thing is these rules exist now but they're timed by the chair umpire and apparently open to their own umpire speculation to enforce them. I have no issue with a 30+ hit rally getting 45 seconds for the players to recover. My issue lies with someone like Nadal having so many idiosyncrasies it's the same lengthy routine every single point, even between first and second serves and it's the same with DJoker as well.

Having the chair umpire enforce more often would be beneficial to tennis as a whole and opponents of Nadal/DJoker etc as well.

Checkout Nadal and tell me it's not out of hand (these are just the in between point/serve ones as there are dozens more in the link:

He must towel down between every point. It can be ace or double fault - he must towel down as if he is covered in sweat.

He must run his hair behind both ears.

He must touch his nose.

He must pick at his underpants.

+ball bounces
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It's just not sportsman like, when you serve sure you dictate the time taken but Nadal pushes it too far even when he's not serving.
 
Serve is a ritual. It has to be the same all the time. I have no problems with Nadals ritual, it is his personal one and it's working. A shotclock would destroy the game IMO. There is already enough technology, we don't need more.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z said:
Great performance by Krygios and not to short changing a few other Aussie performances either. There have been some shit performances though *cough* Stosur has to stop choking.

Krygios holds his nerve and finally with Tomic & Krygios we have some taller blokes with big serves to help their respective games. Hewitt has been a legend and given his injuries and poor serve in the modern game I'm amazed he still competes at this level, absolute fighting champion. Also Krygios is the highest ranked teenager on the tour and these results are only going to solidify that further. I don't want to add pressure and Gasquet should have one at least one of 9 match points but I hope for great things from a few of the younger Aussie guys'n'gals.

So I'm updating this from the start of the tourney:
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Gajdosova wasnt out on the first round IIRC.
 
Worst challenge of the year just happened.

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