Complex Shadow
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omg that looks amazing. and if its really 799, then its an easy buy.
i am pretty sure its gonna come with a key board.
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Right now the Acer is my fav but I really wanted something that has HDMI on its dock and this will still require you to plug in HDMI manually... Hopefully hp or dell will put out a better dock with their PC...
Also has mot been confirmed but I really also want 4 gigs of ram on my new PC and if that $999 price is accurate I'm Sitting its only 2.
Also has mot been confirmed but I really also want 4 gigs of ram on my new PC and if that $999 price is accurate I'm Sitting its only 2.
Still waiting for this kind of power without a fan.
Jayayess1190
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Been waiting on fanless laptops for a long time. Hopefully they come soon.
Also, Lenovo is rumored to be making a Thinkpad version of the ideaPad Yoga. I want that.
We'll see what Haswell brings. x86 CPUs run a lot hotter than ARM, that's what you pay for the power they bring (besides the price itself of course).
brotkasten
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They already showed the Windows 8 version of the ThinkPad tablet. All I want now is the fitting attachable ThinkPad keyboard.
Jayayess1190
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brotkasten
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Errr
"a touch screen and physical keyboard, allowing it to convert from laptop to tablet"
Sounds like a ThinkPad tablet series to me.
E: You edited that quote. Makes more sense now, but it would be a huge step back, imo. The exposed keyboard still doesn't make much sense.
Jayayess1190
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I edited my post. I would take an X220/X230 like tablet (I have a non tablet X220), but I want it to be slimmer and lighter.
Looks to be a perfect tablet for Windows 8. Will most likely get this.
brotkasten
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http://allthingsd.com/20120604/windows-8-plus-office-could-equal-success-for-microsoft-tablets/Windows 8 Plus Office Could Equal Success for Microsoft Tablets
Initially a little dim, Microsofts prospects in the tablet market could improve significantly with the debut of Windows 8. Though the operating system has yet to hit the market, theres a groundswell of consumer interest developing around it. And its large enough that some observers are already predicting that Windows 8 could catapult Microsoft into the No. 2 position in the tablet market, ahead of Googles Android and behind Apples iPad.
A bold, risky prognostication, but Morgan Stanley analyst Katie Huberty says the firms latest survey of consumer purchasing intentions backs it up. Of respondents who intend to purchase a tablet, 25 percent said they hoped to purchase a Windows 8 tablet, which is more than the 22 percent who said they planned to buy an Android tablet and less than the 46 percent who saw themselves purchasing an iPad.
Thats a pretty bullish data point for an unreleased OS and one that suggests that Microsoft may be well positioned to establish Windows 8 as a credible alternative platform to iOS and Android and a viable player in the tablet market perhaps even the No. 2 player.
Of course, its hard not to look askance at that prediction. After all, Microsofts performance in the tablet market to date has been underwhelming, if not laughable. But if Windows 8 proves to be a compelling tablet experience, the company could quickly move to contender from also-ran thanks to latent interest in a tablet version of Microsoft Office. Turns out there are lots of folks who would love to see Redmonds office suite on their tablets.
Our survey indicated Microsoft Office is the most important software feature to consider when purchasing a tablet, especially for first-time purchasers, Huberty says. Sixty-one percent of prospective tablet purchasers indicated that Office was the most important software feature vs. 44 percent for current tablet owners which suggests there may be pent up demand for a tablet offering with a prepackaged Office bundle.
So for Microsoft, Windows 8 with Office could be a killer combination. But the company must execute well, and quickly, with a strong, well-differentiated app store.
Some real Windows 8 tablet impressions... I'm sure there've been plenty along the way, but my tablet arrived earlier and I've been having fun screwing around with it for a couple hours now.
It's the Acer W500, which I found out about in some Win8 thread right on these forums. It's some low power AMD C-50 thing that Acer released over a year ago with Windows 7 and was likely almost entirely useless till now.
It has a keyboard dock, which rocks, and is what I am using to type this out. It doesn't fold shut while attached but I am sure any actual ones released for Windows 8 will.
For a device with such low specs Windows 8 is running like butter. I was actually a little bit nervous because on my Dell laptop, which seriously out specs this thing not everything is smooth but I think it's almost by design, when you use a mouse, it doesn't scroll quite as smooth as a finger (I really don't know. The GPU in the tablet is probably better so it could be that as well)
the guy I bought this from actually had the consumer preview on win8 already loaded onto it, and I messed around in that for about 10 minutes and was nervous this thing was broken or a big fat waste of my dollars at first. (The slide in from the side gestures barely worked). After getting luck and getting this thing to boot from USB, still not quite sure what I did, I got the Release preview on it and all has been well gesture-wise since. No problems at all.
I set desktop mode to 125% and adjusted fonts a bit to make them more touch friendly, and it is pretty easy to navigate by touch now. No real issues there. Have not tried any intense desktop programs yet (Photoshop, along those lines)
Next thing I did was adjust the display using the Windows color/gamma tool and got the thin to display a much more neutral tone than the default bright blue! You will also likely want to disable auto brightness adjust, which is buried way into the advanced power save options. Bad placement. Very bad.
It auto synced my theme/color choices to my desktop, before I had a chance to turn that stuff off but the desktop mode looks very nice and not really out of place if you use the basic theme and turn off Aero. This can not be said enough, I see complaints all over about it but the "halfway to metro" desktop theme is sort of already in place.
I tried a couple of games, and Fruit ninja for example runs pretty poorly. Hopefully this will be rectified and it's just some pre-release issue because I have enough horsepower to run cell phone games on this thing, under powered or not.
Built in Mail client doesn't do POP or IMAP, nothing new here, I knew this, but it still boggles my mind. If they don't fix this prior to release, can you imagine the ARM based ones? No way to do POP email without the browser?? I can install a desktop based client, WinRT can't...
the Photos app is being a pain. I can load any photo from anywhere using it from Explorer but you can not scroll through a folder in this manner. This tablet has 32GB built in along with an SD slot, so I put my spare SD card in the slot and figured I would add that whole thing to the Pictures Library so it would work with Photos App. Nope, not allowed to add removable media to that. So I tried tricking it by making a junction on local drive C: and adding that to the Library. That worked! Except the Pictures App still won't load any images in that folder, but the folder comes up. I realize tis is a preview/beta, but photos and email and pretty basic things.....
So... There's some problems but over all the OS rocks on a touchscreen and I love the detachable keyboard, and mini mouse thing this one provides.
One more thing: Because of the gesture I don't think one would want a tablet with a thin bezel, this Acer has a, quite frankly huge one for a tablet but it ends up working out great due to the gestures.
I am happy to test certain things out if anyone wanted to know something a preview didn't cover, so let me know.
It's the Acer W500, which I found out about in some Win8 thread right on these forums. It's some low power AMD C-50 thing that Acer released over a year ago with Windows 7 and was likely almost entirely useless till now.
It has a keyboard dock, which rocks, and is what I am using to type this out. It doesn't fold shut while attached but I am sure any actual ones released for Windows 8 will.
For a device with such low specs Windows 8 is running like butter. I was actually a little bit nervous because on my Dell laptop, which seriously out specs this thing not everything is smooth but I think it's almost by design, when you use a mouse, it doesn't scroll quite as smooth as a finger (I really don't know. The GPU in the tablet is probably better so it could be that as well)
the guy I bought this from actually had the consumer preview on win8 already loaded onto it, and I messed around in that for about 10 minutes and was nervous this thing was broken or a big fat waste of my dollars at first. (The slide in from the side gestures barely worked). After getting luck and getting this thing to boot from USB, still not quite sure what I did, I got the Release preview on it and all has been well gesture-wise since. No problems at all.
I set desktop mode to 125% and adjusted fonts a bit to make them more touch friendly, and it is pretty easy to navigate by touch now. No real issues there. Have not tried any intense desktop programs yet (Photoshop, along those lines)
Next thing I did was adjust the display using the Windows color/gamma tool and got the thin to display a much more neutral tone than the default bright blue! You will also likely want to disable auto brightness adjust, which is buried way into the advanced power save options. Bad placement. Very bad.
It auto synced my theme/color choices to my desktop, before I had a chance to turn that stuff off but the desktop mode looks very nice and not really out of place if you use the basic theme and turn off Aero. This can not be said enough, I see complaints all over about it but the "halfway to metro" desktop theme is sort of already in place.
I tried a couple of games, and Fruit ninja for example runs pretty poorly. Hopefully this will be rectified and it's just some pre-release issue because I have enough horsepower to run cell phone games on this thing, under powered or not.
Built in Mail client doesn't do POP or IMAP, nothing new here, I knew this, but it still boggles my mind. If they don't fix this prior to release, can you imagine the ARM based ones? No way to do POP email without the browser?? I can install a desktop based client, WinRT can't...
the Photos app is being a pain. I can load any photo from anywhere using it from Explorer but you can not scroll through a folder in this manner. This tablet has 32GB built in along with an SD slot, so I put my spare SD card in the slot and figured I would add that whole thing to the Pictures Library so it would work with Photos App. Nope, not allowed to add removable media to that. So I tried tricking it by making a junction on local drive C: and adding that to the Library. That worked! Except the Pictures App still won't load any images in that folder, but the folder comes up. I realize tis is a preview/beta, but photos and email and pretty basic things.....
So... There's some problems but over all the OS rocks on a touchscreen and I love the detachable keyboard, and mini mouse thing this one provides.
One more thing: Because of the gesture I don't think one would want a tablet with a thin bezel, this Acer has a, quite frankly huge one for a tablet but it ends up working out great due to the gestures.
I am happy to test certain things out if anyone wanted to know something a preview didn't cover, so let me know.
saltywalrus
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Windows 8 really needs a hero device that gets people excited. Hopefully MS learned from WebOS, Blackberry and Android tablets. A competent OS without any apps is useless, and there needs to be at least one device priced lower than the iPad.
Damon Bennet
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learning from android why a competent OS without apps is useless sounds a bit too far fetched
Complex Shadow
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the w510 and w700 do a great job of showing off W8. i am so stoked for these two tablets alone. MS doesn't need a hero device, they need to fire everyone in marketing and completely start from scratch (the marketing department that is)
At some point I guess they will support POP/IMAP, since Windows Phone provides various options for mail account (linked inbox, multiple inboxes). (on Windows 8 there's of course also the possibility of third party mail clients, which will certainly fill that void)
I have my POP/IMAP accounts integrated into Hotmail. So I receive every mail in Hotmail and can send mail from all the adresses. I prefer having all my mail in one place. The only disadvantage is that the POP/IMAP mail only gets fetched periodically which takes a bit longer than a regular mail client.
If you are okay with having all mail in one place and don't mind the delay, it's convenient. On Windows 8 and Windows Phone I just have to enter my hotmail account and I'm set.
Even with that the Mail app is currently a bit limited. The Hotmail website is pretty good and does some stuff the Mail app can't do yet such as threads. I don't really need a separate client. With Hotmail's upcoming redesign it'll fit in nicely with the Metro UI.
bigtroyjon
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Q&A with Yusuf Mehdi(guy who did Xbox Live presentation at E3)
Talks a little bit about Xbox Music and Windows 8
Talks a little bit about Xbox Music and Windows 8
Remember
Windows RT = Andriod tablet level pricing
Windows 8 x86 = Higher priced
Windows 8 will allow people to buy a tablet laptop set up. I know for me a trinity a6 powered tablet that also docks into a keyboard / battery set up would replace my laptop and touch pad.
I have a few friends who would ditch their ipad+ laptop set up also.
Depending on configurations I'd go up to $1k
Look at it this way. 11.6 inch screen with a trinity a6 + 6 gigs of ram and LTE (hopefully sprint) with a 128 gig ssd would work for me .
I'd love for them to allow me to upgrade the ram and ssd however. SSD prices are droping you can get a 220 gig for $180ish now. So if i could upgrade it that would be the first thing i'd upgrade. If i can add more ram i'd go up to 12 gigs if able.
Figure $1k and i'd have a tablet plus laptop. I don't think thats bad at all . An ipad would be $620 i believe for lte and then i'd still need a laptop which an ultra portable would cost me prob another $500-$700.
Complex Shadow
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article says the prrice of the 700 starts at 799 or at 999. if its 799, and an i5 then its a no brainer.
Yea we don't know whats in the $700 verison.
My guess is that it wont come with the dock and it will have wifi only and a 64 gig ssd.
The $1k version will have more ram , lte and the dock along with a bigger ssd .
I hope amd has a compeling alternative in the tablet market. The a6 trinity would enable much better gaming than an i5
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/6/3067154/amd-shows-off-11-inch-compal-windows-8-hybrid-tablet
Since its amd it will be priced slightly less i'd say.
My guess is that it wont come with the dock and it will have wifi only and a 64 gig ssd.
The $1k version will have more ram , lte and the dock along with a bigger ssd .
I hope amd has a compeling alternative in the tablet market. The a6 trinity would enable much better gaming than an i5
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/6/3067154/amd-shows-off-11-inch-compal-windows-8-hybrid-tablet
Since its amd it will be priced slightly less i'd say.
I can understand the current love for whitespace, but this is ridiculous:
You can enter up to 500 characters, so why the hell is the textarea box so small? There's a lot of unused space around it (especially below it), so why not make the box higher? Currently if you actually write a review that contains about 500 characters you can't see the whole text - you have to scroll it.
And I hope that in final version of Windows 8 you will be able to switch between languages. It's annoying when I'm writing something in English and the system underlines every word. :/
D'oh, you can actually do this simply by changing input language.
Also, if anyone is looking for Facebook app I really recommend the FlipToast. IMO it's much better than the People app (at least for Facebook things), because not only it provides you with much more info (new posts, new notifications, new photos, messages and incoming b-days) but also has better interface and actually updates info whenever you launch it or switch to it (in People app very often I have to use refresh button).
You can enter up to 500 characters, so why the hell is the textarea box so small? There's a lot of unused space around it (especially below it), so why not make the box higher? Currently if you actually write a review that contains about 500 characters you can't see the whole text - you have to scroll it.
D'oh, you can actually do this simply by changing input language.
Also, if anyone is looking for Facebook app I really recommend the FlipToast. IMO it's much better than the People app (at least for Facebook things), because not only it provides you with much more info (new posts, new notifications, new photos, messages and incoming b-days) but also has better interface and actually updates info whenever you launch it or switch to it (in People app very often I have to use refresh button).
brotkasten
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If you're lucky, then maybe AMD still supports the GPU in that APU and released some Windows 8 drivers. That should help with the fruit ninja performance.
Complex Shadow
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I really wouldnt put ssd that low. 64 gb is nothing for a hybrid.
It just depends really. Hopefully oems kick 64 gig to the curb and 128 is the default. I don't care as long as i can upgrade the ssd but who knows.
Complex Shadow
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i am hoping they have at least 200 at 999$. that would really give everyone else a run for they're money, but yea as you say it all depends.
Steelyuhas
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The Mail app in this build is actually pretty solid for basic mail use (will probably still use Outlook 15), but it's in serious need of a toast notification for new mail (I'm sure it will be there in RTM).
i'm pretty sure that will be in the final version. calendar didn't have notifications till RC.
I think I wrote that post prior to checking on AMDs site for new drivers. I have since installed the new ones, which pop up when I search for my APU and the game performs the same.
One more thing I would like is the ability to tap on correctly spelled words and get a list of similar words that you may have meant to type. That is how it is on WP7, and I like it a lot more than this way.
Probably not. Windows Phone version only supports Facebook and MSN also, and I think it is all routed through Windows Live (or whatever they choose to call it) which only supports Facebook and MSN.
I'm hoping the existence of the messaging app pushes more people to use Facebook/MSN chat.
Linus Torvalds, UEFI, Linux, and Windows 8
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-on-windows-8-uefi-and-fedora/11187
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-on-windows-8-uefi-and-fedora/11187
brotkasten
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Well, this is new. Does anyone know how it works?
Isn't that just the jump list feature from Windows 7?
For websites? I wasn't aware that IE9 had navigation links in the jump list. For what it's worth, it doesn't appear in the IE10 jump list either.
It works with NeoGAF too:
Anton Sugar
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Well, this is new. Does anyone know how it works?
This was in the CP. I used it for NeoGAF.
brotkasten
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And you guys thought the new Windows logo was bad.
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screenshots from the new web app
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/11/...eview-coming-with-office-2013-and-a-new-logo/
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screenshots from the new web app
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/11/...eview-coming-with-office-2013-and-a-new-logo/
lunarworks
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And you guys thought the new Windows logo was bad.
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screenshots from the new web app
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/11/...eview-coming-with-office-2013-and-a-new-logo/
Strangely, I'm not as offended by that as the new Windows logo.
And you guys thought the new Windows logo was bad.
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screenshots from the new web app
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/11/...eview-coming-with-office-2013-and-a-new-logo/
So, it's a silhouette of a door opening, presumably to your office?
smh.
LukasTaves
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A safe way to get the application, not worrying about viruses and hopefully getting notifications of updates.
brotkasten
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I wonder how the Metro Start screen is going to look on that magnificent MacBook pro 2880 x 1800 display.
Steelyuhas
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And you guys thought the new Windows logo was bad.
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screenshots from the new web app
http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/11/...eview-coming-with-office-2013-and-a-new-logo/
I actually like the new Windows logo, but that Office one is fucking awful.
Something that I'm really hoping for the final Messaging app for Win 8 + Apollo this fall is a fully synced app with by WP Apollo and vice versa, like the messaging app for OS X and iOS.
Shitty because you won't be able to touch it.
I thought this was sort of funny
I love Apple charts. They're so creative.
Steelyuhas
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Complex Shadow
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do not want.
haters gonna hate
But yeah, lots of wasted space. On smaller screens there will of course be scaling though.
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