Kabuki Quantum Lover
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They won't. Enjoy Metro.
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They won't. Enjoy Metro.
Complex Shadow
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i wish more people were like you.
Me too.
THAT'S A JOKE THAT'S A JOKE THAT'S A JOKE
But yeah, I'm not a stick in the mud. I like change a lot actually, but even in Window 8's case, I can still easily avoid the stuff that I MIGHT not like (not going to say for sure because I haven't given it enough time and it's not the final release) so it's not a big deal.
Angelus Errare
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No, you aren't doing anything wrong. The music app is just that bad. "blah blah, it's still not finished blah". I don't care. It's broken, it's awful and the steps from the CP to the RP weren't exactly huge, so I don't have much confidence, that it will be better in the RTM. Maybe the Xbox Music app will change everything, but I kinda doubt it. I just hope the Track 8 guys will port their iOS app to Windows 8, because right now it's way more appealing and functional than the music app ever was. Plus, it does Metro better and doesn't shove ads and store content in my face.
Well that blows, because it in it's current form the Music app is basically worthless as shit and a waste of code and space. You'd think they'd get the essential shit fully working.
well as brotkasten said, its still not finished, so i wouldn't really complain about it till release. And it seems like they will actually update these applications in between windows releases unlike Live Essentials etc..
One thing I can say they need to fix, and this is easy and a tangible problem:
When opening up your laptop, coming back to your desk, etc. and the lock screen is down, the first letter I type should register into the password field. Meaning, if my password is "password" I shouldn't have to type "ppassword" because of that slide screen, rather just start registering it as soon as I hit it.
When opening up your laptop, coming back to your desk, etc. and the lock screen is down, the first letter I type should register into the password field. Meaning, if my password is "password" I shouldn't have to type "ppassword" because of that slide screen, rather just start registering it as soon as I hit it.
JetBlackPanda
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I have been having some hard locks also! frustrating!!!
Looking at what the next OS X update will bring, if I had to buy a laptop, I would go for a Mac instead of a W8 laptop.
I'm saying this with no fanboy-ism. W8 will be on my main desktop computer since I love PC gaming but for a laptop without gaming OS X appeals to me more than W8.
I'm saying this with no fanboy-ism. W8 will be on my main desktop computer since I love PC gaming but for a laptop without gaming OS X appeals to me more than W8.
Has anyone of you ever 'participated' in one of those live webcasts from Microsoft?
There's this free, virtual training presented by the Windows User Experience Team -- Windows 8 UX Training - Fundamentals
I'm not really sure what it is. It's 9 hours long. Are those things somehow interactive? Are the participants expected to program something while watching? Or just watch it? If it's just a video, will it be available on demand, later?
I'm interested in Win 8 UX stuff, but I haven't tried programming something for it and don't have the development software installed. Besides, in Germany the thing goes from 6pm to 3am... so I wouldn't be exactly at the top of my game there
If it's just nine hours of watching designer's talk about Win 8 UX, I'd watch it.
There's this free, virtual training presented by the Windows User Experience Team -- Windows 8 UX Training - Fundamentals
I'm not really sure what it is. It's 9 hours long. Are those things somehow interactive? Are the participants expected to program something while watching? Or just watch it? If it's just a video, will it be available on demand, later?
I'm interested in Win 8 UX stuff, but I haven't tried programming something for it and don't have the development software installed. Besides, in Germany the thing goes from 6pm to 3am... so I wouldn't be exactly at the top of my game there
If it's just nine hours of watching designer's talk about Win 8 UX, I'd watch it.
the only positive on the new Macs is the screen but id be spending almost 4 times more on a laptop that way. OSX just isn't usable for me and what I aim to do with a laptop.
Complex Shadow
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Has anyone of you ever 'participated' in one of those live webcasts from Microsoft?
There's this free, virtual training presented by the Windows User Experience Team -- Windows 8 UX Training - Fundamentals
I'm not really sure what it is. It's 9 hours long. Are those things somehow interactive? Are the participants expected to program something while watching? Or just watch it? If it's just a video, will it be available on demand, later?
I'm interested in Win 8 UX stuff, but I haven't tried programming something for it and don't have the development software installed. Besides, in Germany the thing goes from 6pm to 3am... so I wouldn't be exactly at the top of my game there
If it's just nine hours of watching designer's talk about Win 8 UX, I'd watch it.
I'll prob register. Just so I have sormthing to watch before my class starts. Seems interseting.
yep, i can never justify spending that much on a laptop. Until Apple brings its prices down i will never own a Mac.
If I was spending $2200+, I'd get the fancy new MacBook Pro and that would be in spite of OSX rather than because of it.
Transformers make too much sense these days. Dropping that much coin on one form factor regardless of how great the screen is seems foolish to me.
Complex Shadow
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Pretty much. Even if the new acer book is 1000$. It still would make more sense than a 2200 machine that I am gonna run windows on anyways. Yea it will look really nice. But I am not paying, half the cost of a used car, just so I can have something that looks nice.
hell I can most likely buy a nice win 8 tablet with full dock + a ultra book and come out cheaper than the new mac
Isn't stable on either of my two computers, or in any of my VMs. It really doesn't look close to ready for prime time. Good thing it boots reasonably quickly, because you'll be power cycling it often.
I'm talking about OS not form. The price is definitely a tough area and probably the deal breaker for most.
Jayayess1190
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If you are having freezing problems, follow that thread. Microsoft (on page 12) has finally started to respond and are looking into fixing the problem.
I hope they figure it out soon. I switched back to Win 7 because the freezing made the RP unusable.
I don't see anything in the is update that makes it better than windows 8. Of course I didn't feel the need to go and blab this all in the mac thread so why did u need to post in the windows thread
if people don't complain about it via the right venues the issues won't be given any attention by the team though :/
In the case of the music player though we already know it will completely change.... they still have yet to roll out the xbox music re-branded version. Until that it out I don't see any point in complaining.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/music
Wiktor
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I think the update and new Macbooks were very meh. Hardly any changes in real OS (bassical seling service packs), retina that's display-equivalent of megapixels in camera (ie..mostly useless specs porn), lack of serious updates to Air, which means ultrabooks will race past them.
After all that exctiting insanity that Comedex brought, Apple's even seemed to be very uninspired and plain boring.
g.r.e.
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Are you using the 64bit version? I've had quite a few hard locks using the 64bit, but I've never experienced them on the 32bit. Strange.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
For some reason Win 8 told me to relogin into my Live Account because my password changed despite the fact that I reclogged in using the same password I've always used.
I am sort of worried, and wondering WTF is up...
I am sort of worried, and wondering WTF is up...
brotkasten
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So I've heard you like FIFA ...
Steelyuhas
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Using the 64-bit version since the day it came out and haven't had a single lockup or any similar issue. Very stable for me.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/12/3079887/retina-display-new-macbook-pro-apps
Giga. I think this is even worse than how Windows handles it in lots of ways. I'm sure it will be fixed but it's a per program/app basis, just like how it will be on windows 8 hires desktops.
Giga. I think this is even worse than how Windows handles it in lots of ways. I'm sure it will be fixed but it's a per program/app basis, just like how it will be on windows 8 hires desktops.
Chrome will be updated, but the reason it's like this right now is because they're using their own text rendering engine. If it was using native Cocoa, it would have scaled fine.
https://developer.apple.com/library...d.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012302-CH4-SW4
That's interesting. Is it live only or will you be able to download the training and watch it whenever you want? I would love to see it but I can't really spare 9 hours at once not to mention, it would be 7pm to 4am here :/
OS X offers live spelling corrections, perhaps if you were to invest in a Mac you may overcome that nasty orthographical problem.
As someone who spends a considerable amount of time reading in Japanese on my computer, I think it is rather dismissive to simply call a cleaner, higher resolution display 'useless specs porn'.
Aside from WinRT and some minor improvements in booting and battery, isn't W8 essentially just a service pack as well? BTW, ML has also received some minor improvements in booting, battery, memory management, and graphics rendering. - It is true that OS X suffers from a fairly old and decrepit filesystem (it is something I hope they will get around to replacing, but something that should not be taken lightly), however Windows could stand some improvements in that area as well.
Windows 8 is a massive update.
Aside from WinRT, booting speed enhancements, and some trimming of the fat in app memory usage, what's it got?
i like how you say aside from WinRT. that in of it self is a huge undertaking.
Yes, but that's no different than the issues plaguing Win scaling. Skype, that Vantage benchmark, they are using custom UI elements, maybe even image based in the benchmarking one, unless it just scales the images up which will look terrible, doubly so at a non even scale like OSX/Chrome is doing at least.
The text/UI being rendered using the standard Windows protocols are scaling fine. It's the custom ones that are screwy, in both OSX and Windows.
I don't even theoretically see a way to rectify it. It needs to come from the developers.
edit: I recognize it is a larger issue on Windows because there's going to be so many different configurations. 2x pixel scaling isn't good, like what Apple likes to do, but it's better than x.x scaling that Windows would require all over.
So what if it is a huge undertaking, if a user is completely uninterested in turning their computer into a media consumption tablet, and does not use it, wouldn't that make W8 essentially a service pack to those people?
ChoklitReign
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I've been trying to delete the partition I made for W8 and cannot get rid of it. I used Easus Partition Manager to make a 60GB partition and eventually it worked. In the program, I delete the partition, add the space to my original partition, click apply, and restart. But it's still here. How 2 delete windows?
i'm glad we agree.
I think that's offensive to service packs. Would you install a service pack that removed the start menu, for example?
It's a new OS version.
That MS slacked off for years on making a usable tablet OS, Apple started eating what they thought was their lunch, so MS decided to force a completely new and unproven interface on top a Windows 7 service pack and sell it to people. I'm in complete agreement.
usea: I am simply pointing out that all OSes are service packs to users who are uninterested in the new features.
It is different because the non-integer scaling that Windows is doing breaks UIs regardless if they're using standard APIs or not. The fact is that developers have been making their apps targeted towards one DPI scale--100%. When the OS tries to make the text or other elements larger at some non-integer percentage, everything doesn't always align perfectly towards what the developer intended.
I'm not sure what you mean by a non-even scale in OS X? It's 2x. The size of UI elements don't change.
I was saying Apple IS using a even scale in their hi-res class displays, like they did with Iphone as well. (or trying to anyway, but even that's not perfect. I think a non-retina app looks better on a 3gs than on a iphone4+)
You are likely right that any non-integer scaling isn't going to look flawless - scalewise - regardless of the use of the standard API's or not, which are.... old at this point, I don't see a way to fix it for all the legacy programs. Using standard Windows API's for UI/text elements certainly helps even at non-integer, uneven levels of scaling though.
I know they have many types of proper scaling in the Metro interface, do you know if these can these be used in the desktop environment? (example, for photoshop/lightroom, which are not going to get Metro versions anytime soon. Or would that have to be embedded into their own software and they have to handle it all themselves?)
If you want a quick look at some of the enhancements and new features, then I suggest reading this article.
Eh? Most apps are retina now so it's not a problem.
Photoshop and other professional software will likely never be ported to Metro because that environment has very strict limitations with what an app can do compared to the desktop. You'll likely see watered down versions like Photoshop Touch on iOS/Android. As for Metro-like scaling in the desktop--that's up to Microsoft to decide.
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