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[CaptainABAB]

RT allows other browsers as much as iOS does. They'll have to use IE's rendering engine, but can wrap it in their own skin with new functionality and other gimmicks.

They do not HAVE to use the IE renderer. The only limitation is that the RT API does not allow dynamic compilation of code - which hampers JavaScript performance in Chrome/Firefox. Obviously this is a major downside, so the work around is to use IE as the renderer or do what Opera mobile does - render on a server and stream the results to the client.

This same limitation exists on iOS.

 

[Zapages]

My cousin just bought Win 8 in Pakistan through his school's program for 32 US dollars. I wonder if each school in the international market will have different pricing as compared to our $40 price point.

 

[Windu]

My cousin just bought Win 8 in Pakistan through his school's program for 32 US dollars. I wonder if each school in the international market will have different pricing as compared to our $40 price point.

bought? It isn't for sell yet.

 

[Zapages]

bought? It isn't for sell yet.

pre-ordered dude... I should have been a bit more clear about it.

 

[brotkasten]

Man, the FAQ for the OT will be huge. Like Building Windows 8 huge.

 

[Milchjon]

So the Verge just did an incredibly positive writeup about win8:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246185/this-is-my-next-windows-8

Yeah, I was surprised about that, too.

 

[brotkasten]

Yeah, I was surprised about that, too.

Easy, guys. Easy. "By David Pierce". Who?

Just wait for the Vergecast and see what the relevant people from the Verge think about it.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Man, the FAQ for the OT will be huge. Like Building Windows 8 huge.

Lol... how many posts are you planning on reserving?

 

[Funky Papa]

I'm on the W8 boat, but I don't honestly understand why so many people take such blazing fast reviews at face value. It takes WEEKS to get to know a desktop OS and appreciate all its quirks, even if you were already familiar with the preview versions.

I swear OS reviews have more of pageview traps than actual journalism these days.

 

[chickdigger802]

So being someone that never touched win 8 build before. What notable keyboard shortcuts i should remember?

like is task manager still ctrl shift esc?

 

[DagsJT]

The Enterprise section on the MS site must be getting hammered. Just getting a spinning dial after entering my details to download the ISO.

 

[Windu]

I'm on the W8 boat, but I don't honestly understand why so many people take such blazing fast reviews at face value. It takes WEEKS to get to know a desktop OS and appreciate all its quirks, even if you were already familiar with the preview versions.

I swear OS reviews have more of pageview traps than actual journalism these days.

well that article wasn't really a review, it was more of a look at the notion that W8 will combine your laptop and tablet into one. I agree about reveiers needing time though. I wont take any review posted now seriously, mainly for the fact that it has only been out to select people for days and also because the store hasn't been really populated yet.

 

[Windu]

So being someone that never touched win 8 build before. What notable keyboard shortcuts i should remember?

like is task manager still ctrl shift esc?

i havent noticed any changes, just additions. All of the shortcuts you know should work.

http://windowsteamblog.com/cfs-file...D00_for_2D00_Windows_2D00_8_5F00_5756566F.png

 

[Milchjon]

I'm on the W8 boat, but I don't honestly understand why so many people take such blazing fast reviews at face value. It takes WEEKS to get to know a desktop OS and appreciate all its quirks, even if you were already familiar with the preview versions.

I swear OS reviews have more of pageview traps than actual journalism these days.

I was mostly surprised that there are people that convinced by W8.

My enthusiasm took a slight hit today when I saw the video that Aiiii posted. I was hoping some of the changes would be a bit more intuitive.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I'm on the W8 boat, but I don't honestly understand why so many people take such blazing fast reviews at face value. It takes WEEKS to get to know a desktop OS and appreciate all its quirks, even if you were already familiar with the preview versions.

I swear OS reviews have more of pageview traps than actual journalism these days.

The race to stay relevant and be part of the conversation seems to take priority over conveying meaningful information to your readership (but some pubs did get review units just before the embargo lifted). After all, no one will hold you to your impressions should you decide to change your opinion.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I was mostly surprised that there are people that convinced by W8.

My enthusiasm took a slight hit today when I saw the video that Aiiii posted. I was hoping some of the changes would be a bit more intuitive.

That video is akin to stepping in crap and having it ruin your whole day. To be clear, the video is crap.

 

[Milchjon]

That video is akin to stepping in crap and having it ruin your whole day. To be clear, the video is crap.

Maybe, but it seemed like I'd have the same exact problems. Mind you, I was/am looking forward to W8 very much.

 

[maeh2k]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

 

[Steelyuhas]

I've got to admit I'm a bit surprised with how positive the reactions have been from the media.

 

[Azih]

Maybe the application executable does not mean anything on its own or is too convoluted to fully type into the search box.

I had that situation (GnuCash) and did a Right Click -> Pin to Start on the exe and it shows up ready to be searched for in the Start launcher. You don't need to type the full thing anyway just enough letters to filter everything else out.

 

[D4Danger]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

he must be trolling because he hates metro. there's no other reason. none.

 

[Windu]

Maybe, but it seemed like I'd have the same exact problems. Mind you, I was/am looking forward to W8 very much.

this video from the CP goes over what the keyboard and mouse is like at the basic level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Fczo6E5gE

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

at least the headline is original.

 

[Steelyuhas]

I'm downloading the 90-day trial right now.

Spoiler

Dammit I'm so weak.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

Want to have malicious fun? Stick some poor sod in front of a Windows 8 system and then watch them try to back out of an application. Watch them look around for the now missing in action Start button and hunt for the windows controls on the desktop screen eating application. If they're lucky they'll eventually stumble over the invisible lower-left corner escape hatch to the main interface. Oh yeah, this is so much better than Windows 7's Aero interface.

Want to have some malicious fun? Stick some poor sod in front of [INSERT PRODUCT WITH NEW INTERFACE HERE] and then watch them try to [PERFORM TASK THAT THEY MAY NOT BE INHERENTLY FAMILIAR WITH].

Getting sick of these articles that completely disregard the concept of learning.

 

[dragonelite]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

2012 year of linux?

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I've got to admit I'm a bit surprised with how positive the reactions have been from the media.

Slashdot user posts believe Microsoft is buying off positive reviews which implies only negative opinions are legitimate.

Hate is one hell of a drug!

 

[D4Danger]

Slashdot user posts believe Microsoft is buying off positive reviews which implies only negative opinions are legitimate.

Hate is one hell of a drug!

remember when Microsoft sent reviewers a laptop with Windows 7 pre-loaded and every internet troll went into meltdown? good times.

 

[JaggedSac]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols for Linux and Open Source

 

[royalan]

Firefox Metro status update:


http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/1...crash-reporting-pdfs-and-more-status-update-6

And the reason why this non-existent version of Firefox is already superior to IE10:


Love it.

We'll have some kind of sync functionality to sync data between your Metro interface and your desktop interface. We're hoping for a local, no setup sync functionality, but at worst it will be done through the current sync functionality.

This could be enough for me to switch back over to Firefox from Chrome. Especially the ability to sync between the Metro and desktop browsers. Frankly, BOTH IE and Chrome have been completely ass-backward about this.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Want to have some malicious fun? Stick some poor sod in front of [INSERT PRODUCT WITH NEW INTERFACE HERE] and then watch them try to [PERFORM TASK THAT THEY MAY NOT BE INHERENTLY FAMILIAR WITH].

Getting sick of these articles that completely disregard the concept of learning.

If you want something better than Windows, go with desktop Linux, a cloud-based Linux desktop like Google's Chrome OS, or a Mac. Heck, try an iPad. Just don't waste your time with Windows 8.

Perhaps the most outrageous statement I've read regarding the Windows 8 platform yet. It even spits in the face of his fundamental points. He probably feels he needs to hate louder than anyone else to be heard.

 

[brotkasten]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols for Linux and Open Source

Yeah, that's going to be an unbiased opinion.

I've been working with Windows 8 in one version or another for months now and there is simply nothing about it that would make me recommend it over Windows 7 or XP for that matter.

Now that's how you end an editorial.

 

[tmdorsey]

Was getting ready to test out Windows 8 on a machine here at work and of course Symantec isn't compatible.

I hate Symantec.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Was getting ready to test out Windows 8 on a machine here at work and of course Symantec isn't compatible.

I hate Symantec.

MSE (antivirus) is built into Windows 8. No need to install a antivirus.

 

[tmdorsey]

MSE (antivirus) is built into Windows 8. No need to install a antivirus.

Unfortunately at work Symantec is intertwined with our VPN client so there's no way getting around not having it installed.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Unfortunately at work Symantec is intertwined with our VPN client so there's no way getting around not having it installed.

That's a shame in that case.

 

[LukasTaves]

i havent noticed any changes, just additions. All of the shortcuts you know should work.

http://windowsteamblog.com/cfs-file...D00_for_2D00_Windows_2D00_8_5F00_5756566F.png

The only change i could remember is Win+Tab, which used to bring that 3d flipview, but now switches between apps (Desktop as a whole being considered as one app)

 

[gohepcat]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

Ugg. I can't read that without hearing the most nasaly nerd voice in my head. God I fucking hate people who treat OS's like a religion.

 

[LukasTaves]

Some surprising opinions about Windows 8.

"Windows belongs on older PCs" -- SJVN

It's funny that he write a whole article to tell the world how W8 is junk and borderline unusable and yet it couldn't even name one reason to back his opinion right...

Unless of course, his intentions are that people should hate metro because you don't have to close apps and can just press the star button to get out of it.

 

[CaptainABAB]

So being someone that never touched win 8 build before. What notable keyboard shortcuts i should remember?

like is task manager still ctrl shift esc?

WIN + C to bring up the Charm bar has been the best short-cut for me.

Otherwise, it is:
WIN + D to go to the desktop
ALT + F4 to close an app.

 

[CaptainABAB]

That video is akin to stepping in crap and having it ruin your whole day. To be clear, the video is crap.

It does cover some of my issues with Metro:
* Not allowing Metro apps to be positioned side-by-side (50%)

* Search needs to be better

* Needs a short-cut to All Apps

 

[Windu]

just noticed that there is a open my video on startup in the Video app (settings, preferences), i assume the music app is the same. so if you don't want to see that marketplace stuff, you can bypass it.

 

[Jzero]

just noticed that there is a open my video on startup in the Video app (settings, preferences), i assume the music app is the same. so if you don't want to see that marketplace stuff, you can bypass it.

I uninstalled the music app since it sucks so badly.

 

[JaggedSac]

I uninstalled the music app since it sucks so badly.

Are you on the RTM? I was really hoping it would be decent by release.

 

[Anton Sugar]

It does cover some of my issues with Metro:
* Not allowing Metro apps to be positioned side-by-side (50%)

Yeah, I REALLY need this for any sort of document editing. I get that you can still do it on desktop, but it would be nice for certain Metro apps, too.

 

[Milchjon]

Yeah, I REALLY need this for any sort of document editing. I get that you can still do it on desktop, but it would be nice for certain Metro apps, too.

It doesn't even make sense either. I use 50/50 all the time, it was among the most useful improvements of Windows in the past decade.

 

[D4Danger]

Metro apps are suppose to be responsive to many different screen sizes so I don't know why Microsoft didn't just make the divider a thing you could drag and resize the two windows with

oh, that's right, because it was designed for tablets first and desktops never.

 

[jagowar]

Are you on the RTM? I was really hoping it would be decent by release.

Its decent but still not final.... you can tell because it does not look like the xbox music concept back from e3.

I spent most of yesterday playing with it and overall its really good... all the little bugs I had in the rp are gone (menus disappearing, video loading in the background, etc) although you would expect that now that this is final.

Actually somewhat encouraged by the games.... the xbox live ones are all very smooth (tried solitare, wordament and pinball fx2) and the xbox live integration is seamless. When/If better games come this could be a really good gaming platform if mgs actually gets involved and puts some of their marquee franchises on the tablet and gets people like epic/activision/ubisoft doing the same.

The biggest negative I have found so far is related to skydrive.... really thought with the new update to the web they would have let you designate skydrive folders as video or music (along with docs and pics now).... then anything with that designation would seamlessly load in the music/video players.... has been alluded to such a feature coming by paul thurrott but it is still not there.

The 3rd party apps are pretty good but still need work (in general) but it is encouraging to see some big names in there already such as sky news, syfy, cw, sec digital network (and actually made by those companies and not some odd 3rd party developer like you see in wp7 more often than not.... gives me faith this platform will not languish from a dev support perspective like wp7 has). That said the proof will be in how quickly updates come... if the apps start getting regular updates (like android) I will be very encouraged with the app situation on win8.

 

[Tomat]

So who wants to give me a Technet key?

 

[Steelyuhas]

Are you on the RTM? I was really hoping it would be decent by release.

The apps on RTM are new builds, but they are still not final, they will continue to be updated.

 

[Windu]

I uninstalled the music app since it sucks so badly.

yeah i use VLC as my default but i still have the video and music stuff installed at the moment.

Are you on the RTM? I was really hoping it would be decent by release.

its better, but if you didn't like it in RP then i don't think you will like it in RTM. I'm sure it is fine if you buy their video/music content, but using my own content? meh, its nothing special. We are still 2 months from release so maybe there is more to come. (honestly i just need better metadata management)

Metro apps are suppose to be responsive to many different screen sizes so I don't know why Microsoft didn't just make the divider a thing you could drag and resize the two windows with

oh, that's right, because it was designed for tablets first and desktops never.

yep, very annoying. i'm thinking they made that 1/3 size to make it easier for devs to develop for the phone, seems like the same size. why they didn't tell devs to also make a 50/50 split though, who knows.