Can you go to Device Manager and manually update driver from there?
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Can you go to Device Manager and manually update driver from there?
Jzero
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No, it's actually easier to get it to work when it's plugged in.
You'll just have to wait until the driver is released i guess.
the surface review is funny, you read the review and it sounds pretty bad yet they go and give it a 7.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface-review
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface-review
Jzero
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Wow that's pretty low.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Did you only read the negative parts? I mean I know you want to reinforce your opinion that the OS is an abomination but what about this quote?
Also:
His review is at the lower end of the scale compared to some of the other reviews but it's pretty fair. I've only read one outright negative review and a few very positive ones. Most of the negatives stem from the lack of apps but that's understandable at this very moment and is something that will improve over time.
Jzero
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Yea i want a metro Facebook messenger app.
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verge review sounds like the reviewer himself has fallen largely in the 'I really want a pro' camp.
score is dragged down quite badly by camera, speakers and eco system.
first one I give no shits about
speakers is a shame
eco system can improve.
I think it's a bit unfair to bag it for being 'not as good as a laptop'. I think if you compare it straight up with an ipad, apart from the appstore for a first generation device MS came out swinging. If the app store can get up to speed, apple should be sweating this bad.
score is dragged down quite badly by camera, speakers and eco system.
first one I give no shits about
speakers is a shame
eco system can improve.
I think it's a bit unfair to bag it for being 'not as good as a laptop'. I think if you compare it straight up with an ipad, apart from the appstore for a first generation device MS came out swinging. If the app store can get up to speed, apple should be sweating this bad.
What's wrong with the default messenger app?
Jzero
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Nothing but it would be faster to close, hide and dock if it was in metro form.
i know i already use it but it's not that good. It's okay for now though.
the metro messenger app has facebook support.
Steelyuhas
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Not sure about FB, but I'm pretty sure Twitter has said they have no interest in making a Windows 8 app. I assume that stance will change though.
What's wrong with the built in chat?
Same goes for Facebook and Twitter really, I could definitely use a dedicated Twitter app for searches and things but the People hub is good enough for a start.
Third party Facebook chat apps generally aren't that fantastic. I've had it disconnect randomly a couple of times.
I'm a Twitter and FB power user. I would very much like dedicated apps on that front.
They won't deliver messages to people who are only online on phones and stuff. It's kinda annoying.
GAF, help me. I just recently noticed on the Amazon product page that you can use the cheap-ish upgrade version to upgrade from the Preview Version?
How the hell does that work? I recently assembled a new PC and I did not opt to get any OS with the purchase. I've been running a trial version of 7 and now I am confused.
How the hell does that work? I recently assembled a new PC and I did not opt to get any OS with the purchase. I've been running a trial version of 7 and now I am confused.
You still need an underlying license for XP, Vista, or 7. In your case you'll need an OEM version.
Has everyone disabled the stock Windows Defender and installed their own Antivirus software?
MSE had a small memory footprint on Win7, but Defender seems to use a ton of Disk every now and then. That and search index have spikes regularly which sometimes cause irritating slowdowns.
MSE had a small memory footprint on Win7, but Defender seems to use a ton of Disk every now and then. That and search index have spikes regularly which sometimes cause irritating slowdowns.
Can't say I've noticed any of that, so no. Were you the one having trouble with performance before?
derExperte
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Defender in W8 basically is MSE + the W7 Defender afaik, so there shouldn't be a difference but I never liked the performance of MSE. Running the free version of avast! (new one with fixes for W8 was just released) now with no speed problems and will try Kaspersky later as I still have a license but that usually needs some tweaking to bring it up to maximum speed.
scotcheggz
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I'm pretty sure this is a silly question, but can I download the enterprise 90 day trial from the OP and dual boot with my current Win7 by just making a partition and installing it onto that? Nothing freaky going on right? I would like to have a little click about before I upgrade, all-in I'm pretty happy with 7, but hopefully this is awesome enough to make me upgrade.
It seems to only happen within the first half hour of boot. I did have performance issues, but you might be thinking of somebody else.
I initially had driver issues which caused Windows Foundation Service to slowdown the laptop every few minutes. Disabled that and everything was smooth sailing until Saturday, until my laptop constantly froze.
I found out that this occurred when I was only charging my laptop, as it ran fine with no battery (AC cord only) or only running on battery. Decided to disable every single startup service and it's now running fine. Figured it was another driver issue since hardware issues would normally be more consistent.
You are in luck! because Windows 8 features a "reset to factory settings" right out of the box!
I think we just download the Windows 8 upgrade ISO, use out Windows 7 (or upgraded) key and it installs from fresh.
I think.
This is the original article about the Refresh feature
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/04/refresh-and-reset-your-pc.aspx
fluffydelusions
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How does this reset to factory work for upgrades? Like ok, my laptop has Windows 7 with one of those hidden partitions where I reset/install/reinstall etc if I so please. So how will this be handled with Windows 8 if say I want to reformat my laptop at some point. Do I format via the manufacturer's tool then upgrade to 8?
Maybe look at the recimage part of the article I linked to - that way it will even maintain the things it brings from the W7 upgrade... but it is always going to be a little tiny bit cleaner to do a clean install of an OS (there are just so many complications with files and OS settings it is hard to make a promise that it is the same) The "normal" way of doing the refresh happens from the OEM image.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
The quality of apps really isn't there yet. I just grabbed a bunch of stuff at random from the Top Free section of each category, and essentially every app I tried had material deficiencies; no search support (or poor search context), inadequate sharing support, ugly implementations of Metro (particularly weird fonts, weird dropdown widgets, weird or inconsistent button UI), inadequate Live tile support, poor functionality, incredibly ugly in-app advertising, inadequate implementation of side-pinned mode, inconsistent UI, poor grammar/text. Thankfully most didn't have all of these problems at once.
I've also noticed a pretty ridiculous amount of what's gotta be trademark infringement. I'm all about third-party clients, but there are applications basically passing themselves off as official. For example, search Craigslist.
I submitted a lot of 1 and 2 star reviews (as well as a handful of 3 and 4 star reviews). I normally review stuff in the Android Market or iOS Market 3-5 stars.
I mean, the default app stack is fairly good and I have Start8 installed so I can spend most of my time in the blissfully not shitty desktop mode, but still. I know the response would be "Yeah, but it hasn't even launched yet! Just you wait!" but it's kind of like... I already have Windows 7. I already have OSX. I already have iOS. Something launching in 2012 needs to go the extra mile to work well day one, not play catch-up. And while it would be correct to note that Desktop is just as good as ever, the public face of Windows 8 applications is the Windows Store.
I've also noticed a pretty ridiculous amount of what's gotta be trademark infringement. I'm all about third-party clients, but there are applications basically passing themselves off as official. For example, search Craigslist.
I submitted a lot of 1 and 2 star reviews (as well as a handful of 3 and 4 star reviews). I normally review stuff in the Android Market or iOS Market 3-5 stars.
I mean, the default app stack is fairly good and I have Start8 installed so I can spend most of my time in the blissfully not shitty desktop mode, but still. I know the response would be "Yeah, but it hasn't even launched yet! Just you wait!" but it's kind of like... I already have Windows 7. I already have OSX. I already have iOS. Something launching in 2012 needs to go the extra mile to work well day one, not play catch-up. And while it would be correct to note that Desktop is just as good as ever, the public face of Windows 8 applications is the Windows Store.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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What are your impressions of Start8? I've used it for half a day. At its core, I found it completely compotent at replacing Metro. The search even looked for applications, files and settings in one shot (innovation!), just like it used to. However when dealing with Metro apps and search, I found that it was a broken experience and ultimately reverted back to minimally using Metro.
Also, I completely agree with your assessment of the app selection. It's pretty bad at the moment.
WascallyWabbit
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Is there any reason to believe I won't be able to use my trackpad for gestures with Win8?
I'm using a 2012 new Acer with Synaptics trackpad drivers
I'm using a 2012 new Acer with Synaptics trackpad drivers
Jzero
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Did your track-pad support multi-touch before?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So far so good. It looks great, I love the options, and I'm even warming up to their default semi-transparent Metro-ish W7 replacement theme, although I still miss Aero Glass. I haven't decided if I'll buy it at the end of the trial period, since my inclination is that someone will do a freeware version that's just as good.
Bugs:
I've had a weird thing where after login (I'm using the W8 Login Screen), I get a flicker of the background colour for the Metro window before Start8 kicks me to the Desktop.
When I changed my user picture, it very briefly showed a broken thumbnail before loading in my new user picture.
Questions:
Running Start8. Enter Metro App. Press Alt+F4 to exit Metro App -> End up in Metro/Windows Menu instead of Start8. Not really sure why.
There's one other thing I'd like Start8 to do. In Windows 7, to the right of your taskbar's clock, there's a little button. When you click it, it auto-minimizes everything you're running (IE it's the "Show Desktop" button). In Windows 8, the space still does the same thing, but there's no visual indication. It's not embossed, and you don't get the little focus shadow when you mouseover it. I'd like a program that can fix this. I'm sure whenever someone comes out with something to fully restore Aero Glass, it'll do this.
Well, duh, but again there is a product going on sale on October 26th, and that product is behind where its competitors are on October 26th. It might catch up, it might improve while its competitors continue to improve, or it might not improve at all. WP7, for example, still has quite poor app support. I personally suspect it will improve simply because of userbase inertia, but I don't view it as a good launch for the Windows Store, a feature that would have been divisive even if they nailed the launch.
WascallyWabbit
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Yup
Melhisedek
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Guys would Professional version be ok for gaming as well? Been using Pro since XP hope it will be the same with 8 
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Guys would Professional version be ok for gaming as well? Been using Pro since XP hope it will be the same with 8
I think all versions will be fine for gaming. The things that differentiate the various versions of Windows have nothing to do with gaming.
How should they fix this? Stricter application certification? MS shouldn't have given the SDK out to the public before release? MS shouldn't have opened the marketplace up to public submissions before release?
HarryDemeanor
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I think the basic Windows 8 version would be fine as well. I don't think it really matters.Guys would Professional version be ok for gaming as well? Been using Pro since XP hope it will be the same with 8
I love the speed of it, and I run it on all my computers, but I am simultaneously warning all non-tech people I know to stay with Windows 7. Part of it is a selfish need to not get constant phone calls asking me how to do simple tasks, but I honestly think the UI is such a hot mess, it's going to get seriously retooled next year. So, in a desire to not truck people through the re-learning process yet again, I'm telling them not to bother.
In fact, my personal nightmare tech support case, i.e. my mother, just bought a new laptop with Windows 7 on it last week. That particular purchase brought a lot of relief. I am even considering stealing her $15 upgrade so she doesn't get any ideas.
In fact, my personal nightmare tech support case, i.e. my mother, just bought a new laptop with Windows 7 on it last week. That particular purchase brought a lot of relief. I am even considering stealing her $15 upgrade so she doesn't get any ideas.
the main stuff between Pro and regular are basic enterprise features. Nothing to do with gaming. http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/.../04/16/announcing-the-windows-8-editions.aspx
there are third party tools to do that. I think stardock makes one.
edit: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/