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[MCD]

I kinda want to see Surface with an AMD chip.

 

[Shogmaster]

I kinda want to see Surface with an AMD chip.

You really don't. AMD's "efficient" chip is lot more power hungry than Atom, yet gets there by low clock speed (1GHz). Better GPU 3D performance is not what's needed on something like Surface.

 

[Wiktor]

Lenovo X240T to supposedly to come mid 2013. That I want. Prefer non ULV processors.

Mmm....I think I will wait for that, altough it will be a torture

 

[maeh2k]

Lenovo X240T to supposedly to come mid 2013. That I want. Prefer non ULV processors.

Interesting, but I'm not sure I can hold out that long. Still on a five years old 2 GHz Core 2 Duo Macbook.

 

[MCD]

You really don't. AMD's "efficient" chip is lot more power hungry than Atom, yet gets there by low clock speed (1GHz). Better GPU 3D performance is not what's needed on something like Surface.

But..but..my AMD fetish.

 

[popeutlal]

Dell XPS review, ugly and short battery life. http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/23/dell-xps-12-review/

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Dell's XPS 10 Windows RT tablet priced at $499

Is this the first tabet to use an ARM SoC not Tegra?

 

[tino]

Dell's XPS 10 Windows RT tablet priced at $499

Is this the first tabet to use an ARM SoC not Tegra?

I wonder if there is an OT thread with a dedicated OP that has all the detail of specs?

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I wonder if there is an OT thread with a dedicated OP that has all the detail of specs?

Forgive my stupidity tino. It's been so long since I last looked at the RT section, it never occured to me to even bother. So we have Tegra3 and S4... interesting.

 

[maeh2k]

Dell XPS review, ugly and short battery life. http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/23/dell-xps-12-review/

Looking at the competition it doesn't seem all that short. Seems average.
Also not ugly.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Looking at the competition it doesn't seem all that short. Seems average.
Also not ugly.

agreed. Ugly doesn't go far enough. The worst device ever? possibly.

 

[tino]

Dell XPS 10 RT tablet: $400 without the proSupply thing
64GB $100 more
keyboard $180 more
CPU is a Snapdragon S3 LOL.

 

[buhdeh]

Not sure if this was posted but Asus Vivo RT review

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Not sure if this was posted but Asus Vivo RT review

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review

ewww.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

agreed. Ugly doesn't go far enough. The worst device ever? possibly.

If they tapered it around the edge so it was 5mm thin and then played a piano tune on it.... it would be perfect.

ewww.

Why eww? This is the Verge I know and love <3

Spoiler

I especially loved the part where he gets data loading lag confused with processor lag.

 

[buhdeh]

ewww.

Yeah, I get the same feeling from RT devices. Have no interest at all.

 

[SeanR1221]

As someone who doesn't know much about this stuff, how powerful is the surface pro? Like what kind of games could it run?

 

[Damon Bennet]

I just upgraded my Budget to €1000 which are roughly $1297. Now just hope that the Ativ Smart PC pro price in europe will be ~1000 and I am incredibly happy. i5 and stylus? gimme!

Otherwise I think w700 with i5 is still the best choice for me!

 

[f0lken]

As someone who doesn't know much about this stuff, how powerful is the surface pro? Like what kind of games could it run?

Search for HD4000 benchmarks, super intensive games like Battlefield won't run well, but others like Diablo 3 will run without problem with high detail

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

As someone who doesn't know much about this stuff, how powerful is the surface pro? Like what kind of games could it run?

pre-haswell it could run a bunch of stuff at lower-mid settings depending on the game. Just look up benchmarks for the HD4000. But with haswell it should do notably better.

 

[Wiktor]

As someone who doesn't know much about this stuff, how powerful is the surface pro? Like what kind of games could it run?

2D ones.

 

[SeanR1221]

Hm....this IS the year I was going to upgrade my laptop (in the Spring). I might consider one if I can run some cool games too.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

As someone who doesn't know much about this stuff, how powerful is the surface pro? Like what kind of games could it run?

It should run most modern games between 20 and 40 fps since its using an integrated Intel HD4000. Not bad but not as good as higher end standalone (discrete) video cards.

 

[bloodydrake]

Yeah, I get the same feeling from RT devices. Have no interest at all.

yep 11.6 might be the sweet spot..I really want to see a CloverTrail review(Samsung Ativ Smart PC specifically)..if they're bad.. MS might as well pack it in.
RT is to disruptive for MS's own good..its just confusing the market when they need to be captivating it.

 

[JaggedSac]

Not sure if this was posted but Asus Vivo RT review

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review

Seemed up-beat on the whole Windows 8 thing and wasn't too down on RT. Curious to see if the Surface will have similar performance issues as well.

 

[SeanR1221]

It should run most modern games between 20 and 40 fps since its using an integrated Intel HD4000. Not bad but not as good as higher end standalone (discrete) video cards.

Interesting. I'd be coming from a MacBook Air from the previous generation (base model, 2gb ram so starting to show its age).

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Search for HD4000 benchmarks, super intensive games like Battlefield won't run well, but others like Diablo 3 will run without problem with high detail

I thought that was true too. Then I got schooled:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html

no problem running at LOW detail. 22fps @ high detail.

 

[Robobandit]

Ok.. this acer 23" monitor is really nice.

The flush bezel makes a world of difference with regard to the UI gestures.

Connected it to my PC and no calibration was needed.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I think everyone wanting a pro model should wait for Haswell. The difference should be extremely beneficial for these types of form factors. I mean the GPU will enable you to play much more games at better quality but the battery life differences alone make the wait worthwhile.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I thought that was true too. Then I got schooled:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html

no problem running at LOW detail. 22fps @ high detail.

And all the while it will be blowing it's fans like a motherfucker while making noises similar to a vacuum cleaner and getting uncomfortably hot.

Seriously. If you want to play 3D games, stay far, far away from ultrabooks. It's not worth it.

 

[Damon Bennet]

I think everyone wanting a pro model should wait for Haswell. The difference should be extremely beneficial for these types of form factors. I mean the GPU will enable you to play much more games at better quality but the battery life differences alone make the wait worthwhile.

I would, but I need a new system as of now :/

 

[bloodydrake]

I think everyone wanting a pro model should wait for Haswell. The difference should be extremely beneficial for these types of form factors. I mean the GPU will enable you to play much more games at better quality but the battery life differences alone make the wait worthwhile.

thats why i' looking at the cheaper clovertrail..just to hold me over till next year when the Haswell's are out, then upgrade/handme down it to my family

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I would, but I need a new system as of now :/

get something cheap as fuggggg to tide you over. It's worth it.

 

[Wiktor]

Seriously. If you want to play 3D games, stay far, far away from ultrabooks. It's not worth it.

THere are ultrabooks with dedicated GPU and more are coming.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I would, but I need a new system as of now :/

Buy one now and buy another one later... shiiiii....

Spoiler

I'll probably end up doing this ;_;

 

[maeh2k]

Not sure if this was posted but Asus Vivo RT review

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review

6/10 on software.
4/10 on ecosystem.

Harsh. I'm guessing that's what we can expect from the Surface review.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

THere are ultrabooks with dedicated GPU and more are coming.

LIke the Lazor Brade?

 

[buhdeh]

6/10 on software.
4/10 on ecosystem.

Harsh. I'm guessing that's what we can expect from the Surface review.

I bet they'll give it an 8 just because people keep complaining how they hate Microsoft products.

 

[Wiktor]

LIke the Lazor Brade?

Nah, that's just a thin laptop.
But one of Zenbooks has 620M and the upcoming 15 inch Zenbook will have 650M

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I bet they'll give it an 8 just because people keep complaining how they hate Microsoft products.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Spoiler

Yeah right... A click is a click!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

THere are ultrabooks with dedicated GPU and more are coming.

when those arrive, we can talk about gaming more seriously.

Until then, people need to understand that the realistic limit for gaming on HD4000 at a respectable resolution are games like:

Portal
Team Fortress 2
Coutner Strike
Braid
Bioshock
Defense Grid
Frozen Synapse
Half-Life 2
Bastion
Trine/Trine 2
League of Legends

and similar games that don't push hardware too much. A good selection of games to be sure, but you're not going to be playing Arkham City/Crysis 2/BF3/Diablo 3/Dota2/Borderlands 2 at respectable framerates at any resolution. Even then, expect to get shit battery life. 2 hours? Probably something like that.

Maybe Haswell will start to take integrated graphics to the next level to make those kinds of games playable at medium details and medium resolution. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[Wiktor]

when those arrive, we can talk about gaming more seriously.

They already did and more wil come before Surface Pro. It's best to wait a little nowadays

 

[PG2G]

Didn't read the entire thing, but don't see any mention of major performance issues in the AnandTech review of the VivoTab RT.

 

[popeutlal]

Didn't read the entire thing, but don't see any mention of major performance issues in the AnandTech review of the VivoTab RT.

The exact same issues with their Android tablets, looks like Asus is STILL using cheap internal flash memory and other low cost components.

 

[scently]

Sooo, the Asus Transformer has seemingly disappeared. It seems it became the Taichi and the VivoTab RT. Well it seems my choice is between the W700 and the Ativ 7 Pro.

 

[brotkasten]

Sooo, the Asus Transformer has seemingly disappeared. It seems it became the Taichi and the VivoTab RT. Well it seems my choice is between the W700 and the Ativ 7 Pro.

Nah, the Transformer Book is still coming.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

They already did and more wil come before Surface Pro. It's best to wait a little nowadays

sorry, was thinking about tablets still.

 

[Raistlin]

You really don't. AMD's "efficient" chip is lot more power hungry than Atom, yet gets there by low clock speed (1GHz). Better GPU 3D performance is not what's needed on something like Surface.

But it has optimized BlueStacks

6/10 on software.
4/10 on ecosystem.

Harsh. I'm guessing that's what we can expect from the Surface review.

4/10 on ecosystem, yet it has more tablet apps than Android

 

[scently]

Nah, the Transformer Book is still coming.

How do you know? they just announced a plethora of Windows 8 devices and not a word about the Transformer Book.

 

[brotkasten]

4/10 on ecosystem, yet it has more tablet apps than Android

That doesn't count. It's about quantity, not quality. Not that most W8 apps don't suck.