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[Windows Central] Xbox wasn't involved with Redfall, but it's still blamed for its quality
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TransTrender
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LOL holy shit the mental gymnastics here
diffusionx
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Live feed of the author writing this article
GHG
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If the publishers/developers price it as a AAA game then we should expect a AAA experience in return.
And regarding the bold, firstly we have no idea on the first two (although we do know how long it was in development for roughly), and high quality production values are in no way guaranteed just because a lot of money and resources has been thrown at something. Star Citizen is testament to that.
Fbh
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But Microsoft sure has been treating it as one with the presence they've given it during their presentations and that $70 pricetag
OceanGaming
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Check my latest post, i was wrong.
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Mr Moose
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It's defending Phil though.
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Crispy Gamer
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Mr Moose
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MDSLKTR
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You should check out Jiz Slobber's twitter. He's from the ilk of L Eastwood, but with a job.
Clear
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People absolutely need to start holding PUBLISHERS to account.
Stop blaming devs, when they aren't the ones responsible for selling the product, that's the publisher's role.
It never ceases to drive me crazy when its insinuated or alleged that the publisher didn't know what they were selling!
Does anyone think that even if the developer was negligent or malicious that's a good defense for the publisher then to "look the other way"! ? Especially if the publisher is the one funding the dev!
Stop blaming devs, when they aren't the ones responsible for selling the product, that's the publisher's role.
It never ceases to drive me crazy when its insinuated or alleged that the publisher didn't know what they were selling!
Does anyone think that even if the developer was negligent or malicious that's a good defense for the publisher then to "look the other way"! ? Especially if the publisher is the one funding the dev!
ByWatterson
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My kid is an absolute asshole to all of his classmates but don't blame me I didn't raise him
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OceanGaming
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Simply Sami
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Who was to blame for Halo Infinite and Gears then?
These are just silly excuses.
These are just silly excuses.
This is like saying Jim Ryan and co aren't to blame if next project by Bungie is a disaster, lol. Absolutely laughable take. I mean we've seen enough of these 60 rated games from Microsoft to know where they come from. People have been calling out Microsoft gaming division's quality control for a long time and here it is reeling its ugly face yet again. But Phil Spencer is protected as always from any sense of responsibility. Weve seen ir enough times to know how it goes.
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kuncol02
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It was leaked earlier by other person.
Which part of XBox Games Studios and Bethesda are two separate entities you don't understand? Matt Booty has as much to say about anything happening in Bethesda as guy running Office team. Bethesda as a whole is run by Pete Hines and he is responsible for ensuring quality of their games.
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Yoboman
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I dunno where they got this idea that no oversight is the way to go
There are classic stories of Miyamoto tearing apart the work on Metroid Prime. Yoshida telling Cory Barlog he was horrified by God of War 2018.
Diamonds are made under pressure.
Creative freedom to choose a project, not everything that goes on after that
There are classic stories of Miyamoto tearing apart the work on Metroid Prime. Yoshida telling Cory Barlog he was horrified by God of War 2018.
Diamonds are made under pressure.
Creative freedom to choose a project, not everything that goes on after that
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ZehDon
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Terrible article.
While I believe Xbox should've cancelled Redfall, let's pretend for a moment that Xbox's hands were somehow tied when they bought Bethesda - some magical contractual obligation as part of the purchase that Redfall couldn't be cancelled.
They've could've released it as a AA title into Game Preview, like Grounded, and managed expectations. I don't think anyone would've been thrilled with the game anyway, but the damage to the brand would've been limited and they'd have several built-in excuses for its rough state. Yet, despite its obvious flaws, they still chose to release it as a AAA title, market it as such, and dump it out in its current state. Regardless of its development, that's on Xbox - and that means it's on Phil Spencer. It's obvious Microsoft cut their losses on Redfall, but don't try and pretend Xbox is blameless. EA knew Jedi Survivor was in poor shape, Sony knew TLOU1 was a lazy port, and Xbox knew Redfall was not suitable for release.
While I believe Xbox should've cancelled Redfall, let's pretend for a moment that Xbox's hands were somehow tied when they bought Bethesda - some magical contractual obligation as part of the purchase that Redfall couldn't be cancelled.
They've could've released it as a AA title into Game Preview, like Grounded, and managed expectations. I don't think anyone would've been thrilled with the game anyway, but the damage to the brand would've been limited and they'd have several built-in excuses for its rough state. Yet, despite its obvious flaws, they still chose to release it as a AAA title, market it as such, and dump it out in its current state. Regardless of its development, that's on Xbox - and that means it's on Phil Spencer. It's obvious Microsoft cut their losses on Redfall, but don't try and pretend Xbox is blameless. EA knew Jedi Survivor was in poor shape, Sony knew TLOU1 was a lazy port, and Xbox knew Redfall was not suitable for release.
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Its nowhere close to that bad. Picture the cost to MS reputation if they canceled it. Scalebound ×1000.
Yoboman
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No control yet their games have magically become exclusive
Nocturno999
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They made sure that the game wasn't released on the PS5.
Game needed to be in the oven for a few more years but MS is in need of exclusives.
Game needed to be in the oven for a few more years but MS is in need of exclusives.
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Pelta88
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ZehDon
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A game doesn't need to be "bad" to be cancelled, it just needs to be "not good enough". And Redfall, at a foundational level, is "not good enough". It's an uninspired and soulless game that's as lifeless as its AI. It's a design-by-committee game that's a remnant of Zenimax's GaaS push before their acquisition, and its clear the people who made it had little passion for it. The day Xbox purchased Zenimax, they should've seen Redfall and canned it - no reveal trailer, no delay. Get the team working on something worthy of their talents.
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mansoor1980
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i blame this guy
balls of snow
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So Starfield getting a possible 90 meta is also not because of microsoft right. Because only one of these statements can be true.
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Thirty7ven
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And what talents are those? You don’t even know who works there.
But I agree that they should’ve been able to call a spade a spade.
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Pedro Motta
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Don't blame Xbox, Phil and Matt for Redfall
That’s not what it says.[/URL]
Don't blame Xbox, Phil and Matt for Redfall
No, it’s not.
Bumblebeetuna
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I thought this was common knowledge that Bethesda studios still operated outside of the MS umbrella and answered to Pete Hines or whoever. We’ve also heard from numerous current and former XGS devs that MS is completely and totally hands off and allows their teams absolute freedom. Too much freedom according to some of those devs.
Im sure MS made some decisions, like canceling the PS5 version, and removing some of the GaaS elements. And it’s not like this acknowledgement that Bethesda controls the game absolves MS of blame, because Bethesda is still MS. If the Bethesda big wigs were in charge of QC and this game released, that’s still on Microsoft.
Im sure MS made some decisions, like canceling the PS5 version, and removing some of the GaaS elements. And it’s not like this acknowledgement that Bethesda controls the game absolves MS of blame, because Bethesda is still MS. If the Bethesda big wigs were in charge of QC and this game released, that’s still on Microsoft.
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Easy to say in hindsight. MS needed games. If they walk in and they get told they're at 60%. Toss it or finish it? I would probably say, take out the store and GAAS shit and try to finish it.
MS is responsible. MS pays the bills. MS takes the heat and the blame, as they should.
But the internal management of development apparently is handled separately at Bethesda. Thats what this is saying.
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