Mister Wolf
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It sold like shit. Consumer > Reviewers. The new Mario Bros movie is a example of this in the reverse.
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[Windows Central] Xbox wasn't involved with Redfall, but it's still blamed for its quality
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It sold like shit. Consumer > Reviewers. The new Mario Bros movie is a example of this in the reverse.
OceanGaming
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Yeah after i read more carefully, it does seem that Jez is downplaying Phil's part in this without actually putting it on Matt and Aaron and the likes. That's what i thought i read in the first reading, like "stop blaming Phil so much and start blaming Matt and Pete and Aaron more instead" but no, you are right, my mistake.
Eh. My post history isn’t hidden. I’ve criticized MS multiple times before. I’m just consistent in pushing back on what I consider to be unwarranted and unfair criticism done in bad faith.
I think it’s just a patience issue, really. Maybe i would feel different if I were restricted to one console or if I were paying full price for GamePass vs the cheap Gold conversion deal done years ago, but when you own everything and have a backlog that stretches back years, it’s hard to get that angry over things like delays.
This Redfall thing is just downright irritating, though. Unprofessional conduct from all involved.
kuncol02
Banned
Do you have reading comprehension problems? Or task of knowing difference between Microsoft (corporation), XBox (division of Microsoft, now AFAIK called Microsoft Gaming), XBox Games Studios (publisher run by Matt Booty) and Zenimax/Bethesda (another publisher run by Peter Hines) is to hard to you?
GHG
Member
You know what, I'm just going to say it.
99% of the criticism you've seen and defended was warranted because so many people saw this (this being this Redfall situation) coming.
Nothing changes until management at xbox changes, that's the only constant here.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Do you?
- Xbox Game Studios (Matt Booty) = NOT to be blamed
(Zenimax/Arkane does not report into Matt or XGS). - Zenimax/Bethesda = to be blamed
(Arkane is their studio) - Xbox (Microsoft Gaming) = to be blamed (Zenimax reports into Xbox, whose Head is Phil Spencer)
- Microsoft = to be blamed (it is their division, and they own and are responsible for everything. The buck stops with them).
SaucyJack
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DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
I hope someone confronts Jez with this tweet as this one crashes his entire house of lies in one fell swoop.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
they won't, if the game was good microsoft would take all the credit
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Stop protecting the Booty. Even if it isn't his fault he needs gone too. This mess is going on since Mattrick was booted, so who was the last major executive to get sacked? They are worse than civil servants with the protection given.Do you?
- Xbox Game Studios (Matt Booty) = NOT to be blamed
- Zenimax/Bethesda = to be blamed
- Xbox (Microsoft Gaming) = to be blamed
- Microsoft = to be blamed
DragonNCM
Member
Yeah, damn right they should do exactly this. Bring fucking game to the standard or GTFO.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
But I like Booty!
On a serious note, Booty should be sacked for Halo Infinite, Crackdown 3, Bleeding Edge, and the delay to various XGS games. Yes. But not for Redfall; it wasn't his responsibility.
FalsettoVibe
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Era mods are some of the most butt hurt fanboys. It's ridiculous that they make up something called "backseat moderation" to stop anyone from challenging them on their nonsense.
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simpatico
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It's almost like when you beg people to buy something, and the something is not good, you're kinda responsible for it. If they really want to fix Redfall, I think the path is clear: Kinect features. It's the one thing I felt was really missing during my time with the game.
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simpatico
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plz get your money's worth and share the screen caps here.On Era, criticizing Jez for being a damage controlling shill is treated like a crime. Notice the ban for a period point/full stop.
I think it's time going to ask for a perm on era and make gaf my exclusive lol
FunkMiller
Gold Member
On Era, criticizing Jez for being a damage controlling shill is treated like a crime. Notice the ban for a period point/full stop.
I think it's time going to ask for a perm on era and make gaf my exclusive lol
There are several reasons why I choose to post on Gaf and not Era, and one of them is most assuredly the fact that this forum doesn't desperately want the 'kudos' of having media shills and journalists maintain accounts with it, and so therefore doesn't suck up to them like a vampire on a hobo in Redfall.
BbMajor7th
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They can take credit for supporting the studios in the places where they need it. Tango Gameworks clearly had the idea and execution for Hi-Fi Rush locked down, but it really needed more marketing push to reach its potential. What they did was shadow-drop an excellent game into a cut-throat market and left it to fend for itself (a simple round of mock reviews would have told them they had a banger on their hands). Redfall clearly needed technical and creative support to deliver on the vision, but again, they were left to their own devices. Management is about giving studios what they need to succeed and working with each studio to provide that.
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Bernardougf
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Gamepass filler... nothing more ... everyone's know it .. some shills will die in the hill of denial ... but it is what it is.. drop a stream of continuous content, quality dosent matter ..some times they will luck out (hi fi rush) most of the time will be shit ..... the netflix way of life ...
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IlGialloMondadori
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Xbox fans now:
It was PlayStations fault all along
It was PlayStations fault all along
Eotheod
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People being all "change the management team they suck!" do know that won't inherently fix the issues being experienced right now? That the replacement of management staff actually involved with the production of Xbox titles is not just one or two people but a GIGANTIC list of people, and replacing that is impossible?
There is no excusing releases that do not live up to the expectation of a working title, where it technically works but the gameplay/story is not a consideration. However, the removal of one public face for another does not solve the core problems being faced by this industry that will likely increase in prominence across all studios/publishers/console makers. This perceived "reset" will not happen through musical chairs of a new face on the brand, as is this case there are multiple causes to the performance of Redfall.
Arkane is clearly either out of their field of comfort development, or they convinced a lead/studio head that this idea could work and it just did not pay off as expected. What I believe the studio needs is better toolsets that are commonplace across the Xbox studios (realistically, all developers should be using an umbrella toolset if possible) so that collaborative development can occur; and not to chase trends but to actually allow the creative processes they so clearly have as a studio to actually bloom into fruition.
Video games are incredibly hard to create in this generation, even going back to last two-three years of previous generation. Heck, the titles being released this year would have started development just as the last generation went into its "end" cycle, showing the increased timelines. AAA titles are not as they once were, and I truly believe we will start to see either live-service games (like Sony) or more ambitious AA games that strike the indie line without being indie budgeted. This will alter the perspectives of your typical consumer, though they won't be as challenged by these changes as the more "enthusiast" player such as those on this forum who analyse by the decimal line.
There is no excusing releases that do not live up to the expectation of a working title, where it technically works but the gameplay/story is not a consideration. However, the removal of one public face for another does not solve the core problems being faced by this industry that will likely increase in prominence across all studios/publishers/console makers. This perceived "reset" will not happen through musical chairs of a new face on the brand, as is this case there are multiple causes to the performance of Redfall.
Arkane is clearly either out of their field of comfort development, or they convinced a lead/studio head that this idea could work and it just did not pay off as expected. What I believe the studio needs is better toolsets that are commonplace across the Xbox studios (realistically, all developers should be using an umbrella toolset if possible) so that collaborative development can occur; and not to chase trends but to actually allow the creative processes they so clearly have as a studio to actually bloom into fruition.
Video games are incredibly hard to create in this generation, even going back to last two-three years of previous generation. Heck, the titles being released this year would have started development just as the last generation went into its "end" cycle, showing the increased timelines. AAA titles are not as they once were, and I truly believe we will start to see either live-service games (like Sony) or more ambitious AA games that strike the indie line without being indie budgeted. This will alter the perspectives of your typical consumer, though they won't be as challenged by these changes as the more "enthusiast" player such as those on this forum who analyse by the decimal line.
Tommi84
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Don't ask for perm, create w topic asking why their admin members were playing Hogwarts legacy back in the day
Bernardougf
Member
People bash the game press for impartiality justly so and at the same time clap for awards given by the same press...
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I was listening to Jez's podcast and they were actually saying something along the lines of Sony first party studios are to blame because they've raised the bar so high it's almost impossible for others to compete.
Bernardougf
Member
Well if you have the quotes from this "people" saying hifi rush is not MS success and at the same time saying the redfall is MS failure by all means post them here.. lets call out them
ResilientBanana
Member
So many angry hot takes. Yes the game looks like shit and got shitty review scores. However, it’s been said that the studios are free from pressure and are allowed to work on projects that they want to work on.
That being said. Arkane needs a shake up.
That being said. Arkane needs a shake up.
HeisenbergFX4
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“Journalists “ I don’t think but some pretty big Twitter guys and I air quote that word for even Jez as they are just extensions of the MS PR machine imo
HeisenbergFX4
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343 was given free reign because Phil played games and was legit friends with a lot of people running 343 and he let that friendship cloud some judgement.
I heard that many times
rhodesianshepard
Banned
I feel like after any major merger, like Microsoft buying Zenimax, that it's probably smart for the corporation buying to have some kind of oversight? Usually in mergers, a lot of top talent leaves, from both a development and business perspective. I don't know if that was the case with Zenimax, but it feels dumb to reportedly be so hands off. In reality, Microsoft probably should of just given this project the axe. It was obviously a passionless project that was chasing trends that were 4 years old when Microsoft purchased them.
Setsuna Mudou
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I question this narrative 100%. Phil hyped Halo Infinite massively for that gameplay reveal until the internet met Craig and mocked them into delaying the game an extra year or so, to still be released as a complete shitshow.
Maybe, just maybe, Phil and his underlings are not gamers and can't really tell if a game is good or not until they see the reaction from the crowd. Afaik they thought Redfall was the bomb until the previews start coming in, when they realized it was just going to bomb instead.
Ar¢tos
Member
Call the senator!
Somebody needs to get a court order for Sony to lower the quality of their games!
Bumblebeetuna
Member
You’re describing general warrior mentality and it swings both ways. Using your HiFi example, lots of people here were saying the game was already in development when MS took over and so they don’t really deserve any credit. We even had threads confirming the game was already in development.
So when a good game releases you have one side wanting to praise MS, and another side trying to downplay and minimize their involvement. When a bad game releases you have one side shitting on MS and blaming them, and another side trying to downplay and minimize their involvement. Again, typical warriors.
At the end of the day imho it doesn’t matter what MS’s involvement was, it’s still a MS game.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
SaucyJack
Member
Do you?
- Xbox Game Studios (Matt Booty) = NOT to be blamed
- Zenimax/Bethesda = to be blamed
- Xbox (Microsoft Gaming) = to be blamed
- Microsoft = to be blamed
Actually don't think this is correct ..... Zenimax is a subsidiary of Xbox Game Studios since 2021. Notwithstanding that the former Zenimax businesses have a lot of operating autonomy Booty is still in charge of all of this,
Corporate structure is Xbox Game Studios -> Zenimax Media -> Arkane Studios
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I agree. There are many PlayStation shills and fanboys on Twitter that have made this their day job.
However, like it not, Jez is a "journalist" that has access to the Windows Central platform. Twitter fanboys have limited reach. Guys like Jez can tap into the journalism medium to reach a much wider audience and even attend important conferences and meetings, e.g., Brad Smith's EC ABK press conference.
Tom Warren, Brad Sams, Jez Corden, Nick: there are many.
I don't think there are any PlayStation fanboys who are "journalists" and also have access to well-known publications that they can use as their propaganda medium. I could be wrong though; I just haven't seen any yet.
Physiognomonics
Member
Of course it's their fault. Even if dev started before they bought the company they should have delayed it like Sony did plenty of times when it was necessary.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
He's as much of a journalist as the guys working on playstation blog (no disrespect meant to the bloggers). It's just a marketing branch of Microsoft, not to be taken as independent in any way.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Either way...It's bad....
Maybe, stop playing nice with the publishers and studios you own MS and sort them out.
No excuses.....but the crazies try and find them for you.
Maybe, stop playing nice with the publishers and studios you own MS and sort them out.
No excuses.....but the crazies try and find them for you.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I think you may be right. I found this Gaming Leadership Team chart (Jan 18. 2022) and expected to find Zenimax leadership alongside Matt Booty. But they aren't here.
Draugoth
Gold Member
SaucyJack
Member
RaxtxA
I don’t regard Jez Corden as a journalist or even a “journalist”. He does public relations.
I don’t regard Jez Corden as a journalist or even a “journalist”. He does public relations.
Setsuna Mudou
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Doubt 60% of them know what side is up on the xbox controller... could be wrong thoughI think you may be right. I found this Gaming Leadership Team chart (Jan 18. 2022) and expected to find Zenimax leadership alongside Matt Booty. But they aren't here.
theclaw135
Banned
JackMcGunns
Member
Obviously, but fair is fair, whether good or bad, the game was in development before the acquisition and things are tricky with mergers and acquisitions, if the new leadership comes in gung-ho and starts telling a team how to do their job, it usually ends up in disaster.
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Interfectum
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I'm surprised Era cares about Jez. The dude is been on Defining Duke which is a part of Colin Moriarty's company.On Era, criticizing Jez for being a damage controlling shill is treated like a crime. Notice the ban for a period point/full stop.
I think it's time going to ask for a perm on era and make gaf my exclusive lol
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, but we know him and his shenanigans. Others, Windows Central average users for example, will just eat up his propaganda without knowing the reality.
Interfectum
Member
The pronouns still get me.I think you may be right. I found this Gaming Leadership Team chart (Jan 18. 2022) and expected to find Zenimax leadership alongside Matt Booty. But they aren't here.
Pandering nonsense.
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