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If you're in Canada, Wal-Mart has the LG Optimum Quantum for $78.83 pre-paid on Bell. Unlock it for about $12 and you can use it on any network (3G on everything but the new entrants).

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wm-b...-windows-phone-7-prepaid-kit-78-83-a-1082904/

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That's the phone I bought for my wife. It works well, but a few design quirks hold it back. The power button and volume buttons are hard to reach, it's heavy, the camera isn't that good, and the keyboard isn't that good either. I probably should've gotten her the surround, but she wanted a hardware keyboard. Oh well, at least she likes WP7 so far (I had to do the Feb and NoDo updates when I got it).
 
Just purchased Wonder Reader. Very nice, particularly the live tile functionality. Man, I'm reading enjoying Mango. Such a shame so many people aren't interested/aware of it. Hands down the best OS and UI I've ever used. I was tempted to make a thread Those Who Own Android/iOS/Windows Phone to discuss and compare the software, but the topic is so sensitive I don't think I can risk incurring Gaf's wrath lol

For those that do own WR and have pinned a feed or the app to the start screen, does the live tile just show one article or several?
 
Hurry up Microsoft, I'm waiting for the update.

Who knows how long it is going to take to get to their respective carriers after the update is released.
 
Is this a Mango beta bug?

While on a phone call, if I get a notification it will do a short one, then the full sound. Kind of annoying to hear it twice.

On that note, would anyone be interested in buying my Focus? Would probably sell it for $125 or so. Dad is getting off of the family plan now, so I'm gonna have to leave the ecosystem once again. :(

So sad, it's just too perfect.
 
So, uh, is Rocket Riot exclusive to some provider or some particular set or just not available in Canada? I just got an LG Optimus Quantum to play around with and I really can't find Rocket Riot anywhere. Tried browsing Xbox Live list, top selling list, and searching.
 
Stumpokapow said:
So, uh, is Rocket Riot exclusive to some provider or some particular set or just not available in Canada? I just got an LG Optimus Quantum to play around with and I really can't find Rocket Riot anywhere. Tried browsing Xbox Live list, top selling list, and searching.
Try this link: zune://navigate/?appID=f5b75212-1cd4-df11-a844-00237de2db9e

How do you like the OS so far?
 
Stumpokapow said:
So, uh, is Rocket Riot exclusive to some provider or some particular set or just not available in Canada? I just got an LG Optimus Quantum to play around with and I really can't find Rocket Riot anywhere. Tried browsing Xbox Live list, top selling list, and searching.

I couldn't find it either. I ended finding it linked on some website and than it came up fine. Weird.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Just purchased Wonder Reader. Very nice, particularly the live tile functionality. Man, I'm reading enjoying Mango. Such a shame so many people aren't interested/aware of it. Hands down the best OS and UI I've ever used. I was tempted to make a thread Those Who Own Android/iOS/Windows Phone to discuss and compare the software, but the topic is so sensitive I don't think I can risk incurring Gaf's wrath lol

For those that do own WR and have pinned a feed or the app to the start screen, does the live tile just show one article or several?
A thread like that would just turn into a android vs ios thread.
 
I know everyone is hyped up for Mango, and hopes it gives MS a nice push in the mobile market, but let's speculate if it doesn't.

Say if a year from now MS still has a little over 2% of the smartphone market, what's their next move?
 
SeanR1221 said:
I know everyone is hyped up for Mango, and hopes it gives MS a nice push in the mobile market, but let's speculate if it doesn't.

Say if a year from now MS still has a little over 2% of the smartphone market, what's their next move?
keep pouring money into it. and i would be very very surprised if it had that little marketshare.

btw, speculation is that a year from now that is when the merge between the phone OS and Windows 8 will happen.
 
SeanR1221 said:
I know everyone is hyped up for Mango, and hopes it gives MS a nice push in the mobile market, but let's speculate if it doesn't.

Say if a year from now MS still has a little over 2% of the smartphone market, what's their next move?

They first need to advertise the shit out of Mango before getting there. A lot of people, unfortunately, don't know anything about Windows Phone, and they just go for iPhones or Android phones.
 
Just for the record, I don't think it's hopeless. I mean, who could have predicted the Xbox would be where it is today?

My worry is like Piper said. They need to get the word out.

I STILL haven't seen one in the wild.

Maybe heavier advertising on the Xbox dash too? I mean, it's already loaded with ads, but WP7 gets a tiny space in a far off area.
 
SeanR1221 said:
I know everyone is hyped up for Mango, and hopes it gives MS a nice push in the mobile market, but let's speculate if it doesn't.

Say if a year from now MS still has a little over 2% of the smartphone market, what's their next move?
Change the name. Every person I've talked to about it think it's actually desktop Windows on a phone and are immediately turned off.
 
giga said:
Change the name. Every person I've talked to about it think it's actually desktop Windows on a phone and are immediately turned off.

This.

Everyone I tell about Windows Phone is immediately put off by the name.. and is surprised to hear that I like it.
 
SeanR1221 said:
Just for the record, I don't think it's hopeless. I mean, who could have predicted the Xbox would be where it is today?

My worry is like Piper said. They need to get the word out.

I STILL haven't seen one in the wild.

Maybe heavier advertising on the Xbox dash too? I mean, it's already loaded with ads, but WP7 gets a tiny space in a far off area.


They'll just do what they did with the Xbox. Throw money at it and hope for the best.
 
brotkasten said:
How do you like the OS so far?

Not over the moon, to be honest. There are some things I like and I'll articulate them when I've used it more, but there are also a lot of things that I immediately don't like and I'll list them...

Hubs and Games: I don't really like that Applications appear in the main tile list by default, but games are segregated inside the Games hub (unless you then pin them up front). I'm not sure why those would be the two categorical distinctions. Wouldn't arbitrary folders actually be a better option? I wish there were folders. I actually get the idea of having a Games hub, but I wish there were better options for display of non-game apps and I wish there was a quick way to simply display everything you have on your phone outside of the hubs.

Marketplace Download Handling: I don't like having to enter the marketplace to be able to see my current downloads. I also don't like that one of my downloads mysteriously hung, and I couldn't cancel it. The only context option I had was to "pause" it which did nothing. Rebooting my phone caused other downloads to initiate but the same download stay hung. Rebooting again after all the other downloads finished, the hung download restarted from scratch.

Syncing/PC plug-in: The way it interacts with your PC is weird. Phone plugged in to charge battery. Click on Marketplace. Oh, wait, I can't use the Marketplace while my phone is plugged in? Okay, I'll go to the Zune application on my computer and download something there. Wait, it doesn't actually download to my computer or appear in my collection, it just kind of automagically makes its way onto my phone? Err, okay, I'm not really sure why that would be the case. Also I can't actually see the full list of installed applications and games in Zune, only on my phone.

Achievements wouldn't sync properly: The achievements I earned in Minesweeper earlier didn't show up. Tried rebooting. Tried using the Xbox Live Extras thing. Tried running Minesweeper. Tried toggling Wifi. Waiting an hour or two did the trick.

Status bar icons: I don't like that there's no icon up top indicating whether I'm on Wifi or not. Actually, sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. I don't have a SIM card set up yet so I'm using it as a Wifi only device so this is important to me. In some pages, I can click to display the icon, but it's not clear which I can and which I can't in and the click to display was something I stumbled into.

People, what is "Me"? In People, the icons aren't very well explained the first time you enter before you popular your contacts. I click "Me" and I see "ME Windows Live", share a quick message, no news to share right now. Is this Windows Live Spaces or something else?

Bottom of screen menus and "...": There's a pin at the bottom of this screen, which I can figure out is to pin the tile to the main menu. The "..." on the bottom of screen options suggests there's more options, but it actually just adds the description "pin" to the pin icon. In other applications like IE, it actually means "more options", which is what's unusual about this. Don't think it's a good UI feature when it has an ambiguous meaning.

Cut off tex One other tiny Metro gripe. Click on "Office" and go to the Documents pane. You get "Explore Excel", "Explore Word", and "Explore PowerPoi(half of an n)". I actually like the text cutoff thing in the title, because it's a hint that there's more going on if you swipe to the right, but in a list option I don't like the text cutoff because it just makes it trickier to tell what's going on. I'm not really sure why you wouldn't just wrap the button or lower the font. Obviously I can tell it's "PowerPoint", but... Well... Yo ca tel wha I' typi her bu yo woul pref I typ ful word righ

Phone wrong about updates: When I first got the phone and clicked phone updates, it said I had none. Oh, okay. Then I plugged it into my computer and my phone had at least two updates. Why did my phone say it had no updates?

Xbox Live Messaging not convenient I was disappointed to find out that while you can send messages via Xbox Live, you can't send it through the Messaging program. Instead you go Xbox Live, swipe to the Xbox Live panel, click.. uh... well, there's nothing that suggests you can click anything, but if you click it you launch Xbox Live Extras, swipe over to messages, and do it there. But the Xbox Live Extras messages UI isn't as nice as the main phone UI for messaging.

What's a button? Related to the not knowing I could click thing in the last paragraph; while I like how clean it is, it's rarely clear to me what is a button and what is simply a line of text, because there are no outlines for buttons or feedback when you "click" on something

Grief about my specific model I don't like that there's a home button, but when the display is sleeped, the button does nothing. The fact that the wake button is not easy to push makes this worse. Volume rockers aren't great either.

Deal of the week? In games, there's a deal of the week, right? I know this because I went to a WP7 site and looked up what it was. I don't see anywhere in the Games hub to actually see what the deal of the week is.

Misc why don't they have this: No multitasking as best as I can tell. No Twitter in the People Hub. You can't take screenshots. This is stupid. Doesn't seem like I can enable a percentage for my battery. No complex passwords on lock screen, 4 digit only.

Search my phone? I figured "Search" on the main menu, even though it went through Bing, would search my phone as well. Nope. Just web search. Oh. Bummer.

Avatar Extras WTF? Avatar Extras is really really stupid, and I wish half the apps in it were built-in and in a nice UI instead of avatardified :p

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Basically I feel like there are some great ideas in the UI but the OS as a whole is still a few years behind. Also this particular phone is heavy, gets hot, and doesn't really look all that nice. This experience really wouldn't convince me to switch and if I was recommending a smartphone, my order would still be iOS before Android and I don't think I'd recommend this unless someone specifically told me they wanted achievement points on their phone. Still, I got it for a steal and so it's worth it just to play around.

I mostly like the Metro UI. It looks excellent in the games hub and the pictures hub. I love it when the next pane is "peeking" at me. I love the lock screen. I also like text entry and the lock screen. I love the font rendering in IE. On the other hand, I like the back button. The iPhone doesn't have one. I'm not sure if I like how much space it takes up on the phone, but it is neat to have the software UI never have any back indicator.
 
SeanR1221 said:
I know everyone is hyped up for Mango, and hopes it gives MS a nice push in the mobile market, but let's speculate if it doesn't.

Say if a year from now MS still has a little over 2% of the smartphone market, what's their next move?
The real issue they have is that they don't really give much of a fuck about the rest of the world outside of the US. They've as good as sent the platform to die in Europe especially and it seems as though quite a few carriers are dropping the platform.

There's just no money going into pushing and supporting this thing. They released it too early (it should have shipped with Mango - the release OS was fucking archaic compared to the competition and NoDo wasn't much better) and now no-one cares.

I think they could turn things around when Nokia start releasing handsets as Nokia have bet the farm on the platform and still have significant clout in the retail space. They can kick the doors to carriers back open and their marketing is pretty good.

Where that will leave their other hardware partners and users is anyone's guess. What they can't afford now is for users to feel burned when Apple have new hardware coming in mere weeks and Google looking to exploit the Motorolla tie-up.
 
I still can't figure out what's going on with Rocket Riot. I can't find it on the phone, only on my desktop. My desktop promises me my phone will automatically figure out to download it over wireless at some point, but I don't see it in the Marketplace so I guess it's not downloading yet?

Milly79 said:
Do you have Mango? Downloads appear in the application list now. And there is multitasking if you hold the back button.

I got the phone with no updates on it. My phone said it had no updates. I installed Zune and Zune installed two updates. I don't think the Mango update was one of them, googling to see what it's supposed to have. I guess I need to get a developer's account or find some way to force Mango onto the phone? :/
 
Stumpokapow said:
I got the phone with no updates on it. My phone said it had no updates. I installed Zune and Zune installed two updates. I don't think the Mango update was one of them, googling to see what it's supposed to have. I guess I need to get a developer's account or find some way to force Mango onto the phone? :/
I meant the beta, sorry. Mango isn't officially out anywhere afaik.

No, you can get it without a dev account. Google it.
 
Stump, I think a lot of your complaints would be solved by the upcoming mango update.

Some of them still exist, though.. and are still stupid.

Mango adds multitasking, twitter integration, the ability to search your apps on the phone and view the app list alphabetically with letters to jump to certain sections.

The marketplace layout makes more sense and is easier and better to navigate.

You also get "Battery Saver" which is a mode you can set that will disable anything that periodically uses data when you battery drops to a certain percentage (and you can see the percentage in the battery saver area in settings.. ) without you having to change your app settings directly or enable airplane mode.

Messages is also integrated into the Games hub in Mango.. not separate anymore like extras.
 
Stumpokapow said:
I still can't figure out what's going on with Rocket Riot. I can't find it on the phone, only on my desktop. My desktop promises me my phone will automatically figure out to download it over wireless at some point, but I don't see it in the Marketplace so I guess it's not downloading yet?



I got the phone with no updates on it. My phone said it had no updates. I installed Zune and Zune installed two updates. I don't think the Mango update was one of them, googling to see what it's supposed to have. I guess I need to get a developer's account or find some way to force Mango onto the phone? :/
List of new features: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/05/26/all-of-the-new-windows-phone-7-mango-features/

Mango should be out by the end of the month or mid October or ... Fuck if I know, I'm rocking the RTM for few weeks now. I think you can dev unlock your LG via registry (I can do it on my Optimus 7), saves you the $99 dev account. I used the official dev tools to get mango, but there's another way. Others can tell you more about it, should be easy.
 
I don't want to start posting detailed game impressions yet, but one question. Has anyone else played Tentacles? I like it a lot, but the performance is abysmal (maybe sub-15 fps most of the time) on my phone. Is it because my phone is ghettom or is the game like that on all models?

Robobandit said:
Stump, I think a lot of your complaints would be solved by the upcoming mango update.

Some of them still exist, though.. and are still stupid.

Mango adds multitasking, twitter integration, the ability to search your apps on the phone and view the app list alphabetically with letters to jump to certain sections.

The marketplace layout makes more sense and is easier and better to navigate.

You also get "Battery Saver" which is a mode you can set that will disable anything that periodically uses data when you battery drops to a certain percentage (and you can see the percentage in the battery saver area in settings.. ) without you having to change your app settings directly or enable airplane mode.

Messages is also integrated into the Games hub in Mango.. not separate anymore like extras.

All of this is wonderful to hear but, you know, it begs an obvious question; if I can have these impressions from one evening with it without having even activated the SIM card or used the phone functionality, how the hell did Microsoft release the product without having the Mango fixes/improvements already applied? Like, wouldn't it have made sense to either factor all this into the development originally, or delay the launch if this stuff was in the pipeline but not yet done? I find it hard to believe it took millions of users buying the phones to give feedback on this stuff! :p
 
Wait, what the fuck, I can't use my spacebucks? I mean, I like that the prices are in real dollars, but I can't apply my spacebucks balance to buying things? That's super disappointing. GFWL allows you to use either spacebucks or real money. I have an enormous amount of spacebucks. That's... unfortunate :(
 
Stumpokapow said:
Wait, what the fuck, I can't use my spacebucks? I mean, I like that the prices are in real dollars, but I can't apply my spacebucks balance to buying things? That's super disappointing. GFWL allows you to use either spacebucks or real money. I have an enormous amount of spacebucks. That's... unfortunate :(
You can use them to buy music! :lol
 
Stumpokapow said:
I don't want to start posting detailed game impressions yet, but one question. Has anyone else played Tentacles? I like it a lot, but the performance is abysmal (maybe sub-15 fps most of the time) on my phone. Is it because my phone is ghettom or is the game like that on all models?



All of this is wonderful to hear but, you know, it begs an obvious question; if I can have these impressions from one evening with it without having even activated the SIM card or used the phone functionality, how the hell did Microsoft release the product without having the Mango fixes/improvements already applied? :p

That's a very good question. I'd love to hear their answer myself.

I enjoyed using windows phone more than Android and I was bored of iOS.. so I switched in november of last year. I looked at it as a new and growing platform, which it certainly is. I knew it would take them a while to check off the feature boxes, so to speak... but I was definitely frustrated by some of the issues you've experienced as well.

NoDo (7008) fixed marketplace hangs and crashes.. but that was several months into the first year of the device's life.. I just avoided the marketplace unless I was looking for something specific.

That's not to say that problems still don't exist.. but overall windows phone at least in terms of reliability as a communications device has been far more reliable than my previous android devices.

People that wanted a phone loaded with features were typically attracted to android handsets anyway.. so I suppose they made the decision to launch with an "unfinished" product and release a killer update within the first year to bring it more in line with other devices..

Obviously that strategy hasn't worked well for them haha
 
Stumpokapow said:
I don't want to start posting detailed game impressions yet, but one question. Has anyone else played Tentacles? I like it a lot, but the performance is abysmal (maybe sub-15 fps most of the time) on my phone. Is it because my phone is ghettom or is the game like that on all models?
Always runs at 30fps on my Omnia 7. It sounds like there could be something wrong with your model, because all current Windows Phones run on the same hardware.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Not over the moon, to be honest. There are some things I like and I'll articulate them when I've used it more, but there are also a lot of things that I immediately don't like and I'll list them...

Hubs and Games: I don't really like that Applications appear in the main tile list by default, but games are segregated inside the Games hub (unless you then pin them up front). I'm not sure why those would be the two categorical distinctions. Wouldn't arbitrary folders actually be a better option? I wish there were folders. I actually get the idea of having a Games hub, but I wish there were better options for display of non-game apps and I wish there was a quick way to simply display everything you have on your phone outside of the hubs.

Can't the Games hub itself be a folder? All your gamers there and the start screen with all your non-game apps?

Syncing/PC plug-in: The way it interacts with your PC is weird. Phone plugged in to charge battery. Click on Marketplace. Oh, wait, I can't use the Marketplace while my phone is plugged in? Okay, I'll go to the Zune application on my computer and download something there. Wait, it doesn't actually download to my computer or appear in my collection, it just kind of automagically makes its way onto my phone? Err, okay, I'm not really sure why that would be the case. Also I can't actually see the full list of installed applications and games in Zune, only on my phone.
Go to Zune, Account and then you'll see an option for purchased history showing you a list of names of all your downloads. It's only text, however, no image icons supplement that list. You can't see your Marketplace on the phone because Zune is in itself a mirror image of the marketplace on your phone. Everything you can do on the Zune app on the phone, you can do on the program on your desktop - including editing, updating and downloading new content. The USB cable is quite short so if its connected, you'll be near or on your PC anyway with Zune opening automatically. It's not really an inconvenience to me personally]

Achievements wouldn't sync properly: The achievements I earned in Minesweeper earlier didn't show up. Tried rebooting. Tried using the Xbox Live Extras thing. Tried running Minesweeper. Tried toggling Wifi. Waiting an hour or two did the trick.
Haven't tried this on Mango yet but in my experience with the older software, achievements take a while to sync with the Live servers.

People, what is "Me"? In People, the icons aren't very well explained the first time you enter before you popular your contacts. I click "Me" and I see "ME Windows Live", share a quick message, no news to share right now. Is this Windows Live Spaces or something else?
There are two tiles, People and Me. People is essentially your phone book with a Whats New menu that lists Facebook and Windows Live status updates from your contacts. On Mango, it also lists Tweets by them. The Me tile is very similar - it will show notifications relevant to you, for example it will show only Facebook messages left on your Wall or tweets mentioning you. It's tile is the image you use on Facebook. In Mango (you can watch videos of this), you can post direct messages on all your social media (simultaneously or individually), reply to notifications and enable the ability to cross platform chat with those on Live Messenger and Facebook chat. So the People tile is essentially what your friends are doing in general, whilst the Me tile is what they're saying about you. Pre-Mango, you can delete the Me tile as its pretty useless.

Bottom of screen menus and "...": There's a pin at the bottom of this screen, which I can figure out is to pin the tile to the main menu. The "..." on the bottom of screen options suggests there's more options, but it actually just adds the description "pin" to the pin icon. In other applications like IE, it actually means "more options", which is what's unusual about this. Don't think it's a good UI feature when it has an ambiguous meaning.
It's a contextual menu. In most apps, when you enter them and you see the "..." it provides a a couple of options like Settings. In Maps, for example, if you select a certain location you'll also see the "..." but instead of providing the default list of options, to save space, it provides context relevant ones like Pin which you can understand as pinning the directions to that location. If an App had several of these menus, lets say 7 of them, how would it always display them in the bottom of the screen? There is no room for that.

Cut off tex One other tiny Metro gripe. Click on "Office" and go to the Documents pane. You get "Explore Excel", "Explore Word", and "Explore PowerPoi(half of an n)". I actually like the text cutoff thing in the title, because it's a hint that there's more going on if you swipe to the right, but in a list option I don't like the text cutoff because it just makes it trickier to tell what's going on. I'm not really sure why you wouldn't just wrap the button or lower the font. Obviously I can tell it's "PowerPoint", but... Well... Yo ca tel wha I' typi her bu yo woul pref I typ ful word righ
Lol that's intentional. For example Mail app, you'll see Unread and then on the edge of the screen you'll see Flagge- Scroll to the right and you'll see: ead Flagged All. I actually like it, but I suppose its a personal thing. It is the most distinct feature of Metro. If you just had 'Flagged' and only that on the screen, wrapped it up, then how would the user know how to navigate to the other folders? On iOS, sometimes they need to actually click on Flagged and a small drop down menu appears listing all the folders.

Xbox Live Messaging not convenient I was disappointed to find out that while you can send messages via Xbox Live, you can't send it through the Messaging program. Instead you go Xbox Live, swipe to the Xbox Live panel, click.. uh... well, there's nothing that suggests you can click anything, but if you click it you launch Xbox Live Extras, swipe over to messages, and do it there. But the Xbox Live Extras messages UI isn't as nice as the main phone UI for messaging.
Mango fixes this. I agree with you, I actually thought the Xbox app was the worst part. So badly designed. But now its arguably the best part of Mango - so smooth and fast. You just scroll right to Message your friends.

What's a button? Related to the not knowing I could click thing in the last paragraph; while I like how clean it is, it's rarely clear to me what is a button and what is simply a line of text, because there are no outlines for buttons or feedback when you "click" on something
Not sure what you mean by this.

Deal of the week? In games, there's a deal of the week, right? I know this because I went to a WP7 site and looked up what it was. I don't see anywhere in the Games hub to actually see what the deal of the week is.
Can't be certain but this may be provided in the Marketplace instead. Just looking through the Games hub on Mango and its essentially a clone of what you see on your 360; Collection, Gamer Spotlight, Now Available + categories of games.

Misc why don't they have this: No multitasking as best as I can tell. No Twitter in the People Hub. You can't take screenshots. This is stupid. Doesn't seem like I can enable a percentage for my battery. No complex passwords on lock screen, 4 digit only.
Twitter integration has been added in Mango, as well as multitasking. No screenshots though, sadly.

Here is a video on some of features in Mango. This is the video that convinced me to buy a Windows Phone. Download the Mango RTM
 
As mango gets closer, I'm really excited to try it on my unlocked focus. Hopefully AT&T will just give me the micro-sim card holder so I can move my sim from my iPhone 4 to Focus with no issues.

I've been thinking about my major apps and which ones would be better or the same between the phones...

PHONE iPhone = WP7

Shouldn't be any problems here for the number one reason to own a device like this.

TEXT MESSAGING iPhone < WP7

WP7 should win this one with the thread feature. Combing texts with FB messaging? Awesome

GAMES iPhone < WP7

Yes, this is a bold choice. But one factor is a game changer...XBL. I love Xbox, I love achievements, therefore I love the games on WP7. Yes they are a little more expensive, but once Mango hits and games get updated to 60FPS they will be awesome. Plus, I actually PLAY games more on WP7 because of the achievements. Game Center kind of sucks.

KIK iPhone = WP7

Doesn't seem to be any major changes here.

LOSE IT! iPhone > WP7

No sign of this app on WP7, so iPhone wins. There's the Live Strong App but it's not nearly as good.

Redbox iPhone > WP7

Once again, no app on WP7...no mobile page either :/

4Square iPhone > WP7

I think the iPhone version runs a lot smoother and looks cleaner.

YELP iPhone > WP7

Same deal as 4Square here

EMAIL iPhone = WP7

Mango brings unified mailboxes, right? Then they should be equal.

Flixter iPhone < WP7

I like the look on WP7 a lot more.

MINT iPhone > WP7

No Mint app? This is a huge bummer because I like to track my budgeting on the go.

Spotify iPhone ? WP7

I heard this is coming in Mango, hopefully it launches soon!

Weather iPhone < WP7

Having the weather display as a live tile is awesome.
 
SeanR1221 said:
number one reason to own a device like this.

TEXT MESSAGING iPhone < WP7

WP7 should win this one with the thread feature. Combing texts with FB messaging? Awesome

Sadly this uses MMS. Unless you have unlimited MMS package on your bill, avoid this at all costs. You can send group text messages but responses/conversations will be individual exchanges like normal SMS
 
Tentacles is pretty amazing. So much time wasted playing that game last night. :D

Rocket Riot is pretty neat too as is Ilomilo. Still not entirely sold on Hydro Thunder though, mainly because of the gyro control method, but I'm happy I bought it along with Tentacles. Think I'll buy RR next along with Gravity Guy.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Sadly this uses MMS. Unless you have unlimited MMS package on your bill, avoid this at all costs. You can send group text messages but responses/conversations will be individual exchanges like normal SMS

?
 
Damon Bennet said:

It uses MMS not SMS for the threading. You can toggle it on and off in your settings. The key here being MMS is using your data where as SMS is just how every many texts you have. If you're worried about your data usage this might not be a good option.
 
Brettison said:
It uses MMS not SMS for the threading. You can toggle it on and off in your settings. The key here being MMS is using your data where as SMS is just how every many texts you have. If you're worried about your data usage this might not be a good option.

MMS, usually for picture messaging, is charged separately than data. So even if you have unlimited internet usage on your phone, a single MMS (picture messaging) will incur charges
 
Meus Renaissance said:
MMS, usually for picture messaging, is charged separately than data. So even if you have unlimited internet usage on your phone, a single MMS (picture messaging) will incur charges

and facebook messaging will use mms or am i getting this wrong? why wouldnt it simply use data?
 
Damon Bennet said:
and facebook messaging will use mms or am i getting this wrong? why wouldnt it simply use data?

I don't know, maybe it uses a different network on the carrier. You don't need an Internet connection to send and receive MMS. All I know is that some carriers charge you for it regardless.

Facebook Messaging will use Mobile Internet Data or Wifi connection. However, if the person you're talking to switches to another platform (like Live Messenger), I'm not sure whether it will keep the convo in the same thread or start another one if you disable MMS. I haven't tried that.

Basically, you can still send a message to several people at once. It's just that it wont display the conversation in one thread but separate threads, one for each person whose responded to you. I say respond because I've discovered that if you send a message to multiple people in a group, it will show the message you sent and their names at the top - you wont have separate copies of that message you sent. It's only when they respond does it break it up into different threads e.g. when it becomes a conversation

I don't see how it can't be done without MMS personally. Disappointed that I can't use it now.
 
spiderman123 said:
Bought a windows phone...samsung focus....what are some good applications

Also is there a way to customize my own ringtones on the phone

When Mango is released you will be able to add your own ringtones.

Some Apps I like: Fuse, BBC News, WeatherLive, AccuWeather, AppFlow, Facebook, gMaps
 
SCHUEY F1 said:
When Mango is released you will be able to add your own ringtones.

Some Apps I like: Fuse, BBC News, WeatherLive, AccuWeather, AppFlow, Facebook, gMaps


Windows developer tools for Windows phones....does it work if I convert it?!
 
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