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VanMardigan said:
You guys are crazy. I mean, how hard is it to put Windows Phone 7.5 on the N9? XDA would get it done in less than 7 hours.

They have never committed to a worldwide roll out in 2011. It has always been a limited release in 2011 with full scale in early 2012.
 
VanMardigan said:
You guys are crazy. I mean, how hard is it to put Windows Phone 7.5 on the N9? XDA would get it done in less than 7 hours.
I'm not entirely sure if you're serious or not, but the N9 has completely different hardware and the first XDA port would obviously be Android. ;-) We've discussed this few times in this thread, it's not easy to develop a mobile phone and it takes time. It needs to be developed, prototyped, tested, manufactured and the most important point, carriers have to order it.

A Telstra source said that Nokia has shown them a model of the Windows based handset. "It is very smart and visually appealing" they said. "The issue will be whether consumers are prepared to invest in a Windows based model. They haven't in the past" said the Telstra executive.

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Then you have an, at that time, unfinished OS that you don't own, have multiple international teams of lawyers and engineers working on it ... It doesn't help.
 
claviertekky said:
:lol reviewer goes back to iOS despite listing positives.

Just shows that people stick to one OS.

I'm sure soon this guy will buy his first Mac.

That and who knows how much money he's invested in apps for iOS. That's a big negative to some.
 
Question for HTC Surround users running retail Mango:

Do you have Zune player hangs/freezes between songs?
Do you crash while playing music?

If so: what are your experiences like?

The lady is running into issues with Mango playing music for more than one song in a row without crashing her phone. Anyone else getting this? I don't have the same phone or issue so I'm at a loss.
 
kazinova said:
Question for HTC Surround users running retail Mango:

Do you have Zune player hangs/freezes between songs?
Do you crash while playing music?

If so: what are your experiences like?

The lady is running into issues with Mango playing music for more than one song in a row without crashing her phone. Anyone else getting this? I don't have the same phone or issue so I'm at a loss.

I had this problem while running Mango beta. Did she formerly have a Zune subscription? I went back, removed the songs that I had under Zune and re-synced them with my new DRM-free versions that I had downloaded and everything was fine afterwards.
 
on day 4 of trophy and wp7. im very strongly leaning at ditching and getting a 4s.

right now the complete lack of customizable notifications for different accounts is strongly annoying as well as the lack of a decent twitter app that does what i want it to.

also, the hardware is just meh. its not bad, but its just boring and the call quality is mediocre at best.

I want so badly to love wp7, its 80% there, but i guess i was spoiled by some of the things android could do.

If this was my first smartphone, im sure id be in love.
 
fat pat said:
on day 4 of trophy and wp7. im very strongly leaning at ditching and getting a 4s.

right now the complete lack of customizable notifications for different accounts is strongly annoying as well as the lack of a decent twitter app that does what i want it to.

also, the hardware is just meh. its not bad, but its just boring and the call quality is mediocre at best.

I want so badly to love wp7, its 80% there, but i guess i was spoiled by some of the things android could do.

If this was my first smartphone, im sure id be in love.

It's simple, if you do not care enough for the unique advantages that Windows Phone offer, switch to another platform that has everything *cough* you want.
 
Totakeke said:
It's simple, if you do not care enough for the unique advantages that Windows Phone offer, switch to another platform that has everything *cough* you want.
this. if don't want the phone then buy another one. you don't have to like it.
 
Maybe that came out a little more whiney than I wanted it to, but it was sort of intended to be a tell me where I'm wrong, and here's how you can work around those issues this way type post.
 
fat pat said:
on day 4 of trophy and wp7. im very strongly leaning at ditching and getting a 4s.

right now the complete lack of customizable notifications for different accounts is strongly annoying as well as the lack of a decent twitter app that does what i want it to.

also, the hardware is just meh. its not bad, but its just boring and the call quality is mediocre at best.

I want so badly to love wp7, its 80% there, but i guess i was spoiled by some of the things android could do.

If this was my first smartphone, im sure id be in love.

I'm not trying to pile on you, I'm really not. Everyone has their own tastes and wants and needs etc. But it's a trade off I guess. The hardware can only be "boring" for so long. WP will eventually catch up with its competitors on the hardware side. That will change.

The question is, will the blandness of the other OS's catch up or surpass WP in that time? The experience, well if you like boring, iOS is for you. Unless searching through their appstore is exciting to you. No doubt, WP has a lot of catching up to do there, but I find both iOS and Android to be completely devoid of any charm or creativity.

I've said this before, but it's like looking at my co-workers desktops with their clutter of icons when I see other phones. The WP 7.5 experience is "cool". Whereas owning an iPhone or Android phone is "cool". Experiencing cool things is what drives my purchase decisions. Not buying what all the cool kids own.

At least you gave it a shot. I never owned a smartphone prior to my Focus. I sat back while siblings bought iPhones and Androids, but neither platform ever compelled me to buy one, and I'm a tech guy. WP and the promise of Mango finally pushed me over the edge. I guess the big question to ask is, is it more likely that Android or iOS will completely revamp their design to make something that looks interesting enough for me to go with? Or will MS add the functionality that's missing to what they have now? I think the latter is more likely and I'm more than happy with choosing the underdog in this case.
 
Yikes, iOS users are having a tough time updating today I see. Kinda gives some credence to MS's phased rollout. Plus, a slew of the Windows Phone team on twitter are in full evangelical mode, laying into Blackberry's email servers plight, Android's need for a Task Manager app, and Apple's update woes. Kind of entertaining to see them get their battle on.

@joebelfiore: Thanks for the votes, #mango users! More mango updates went "fine" on engadget than IOS5 (just on its first day)... engt.co/qOiltI

@billcox: RT @MattRosoff: The iOS 5 upgrade is a disaster. Erased all my contacts. They're not in any "cloud." I just became a Windows Phone customer.

@BrandonWatson Important apps for Android: Advanced Task Manager is right between Angry Birds (#6) and YouTube (#8). #angryapps

@billcox Hells bells...2,810 apps in the Android marketplace for the query "Task Manager" market.android.com/search?q=task+… #Seriously

@BrandonWatson: Groan, is there any mobile platform not making our jobs easier today? I guess Android is still in the clear....Ohhh...someone beat me to buying http://error3200.com - dang it

@BenThePCGuy(Ben Rudolph)#DearBlackberry users: frustrated w/ your BB? I want to help! Tell me y u want 2 upgrade 2 a #windowsphone - I've got 25 to give away.

It's like they're...coordinating. Odd.
 
Commodore said:
Yikes, iOS users are having a tough time updating today I see. Kinda gives some credence to MS's phased rollout. Plus, a slew of the Windows Phone team on twitter are in full evangelical mode, laying into Blackberry's email servers plight, Android's need for a Task Manager app, and Apple's update woes. Kind of entertaining to see them get their battle on.



It's like they're...coordinating. Odd.

lol. WP7 does have a lot of great things going for it, really. I am buying a Trophy from a gaffer here. I'm pretty excited to try it out. I love Zune HD, so the interface should feel instantly pretty familiar.
 
VanWinkle said:
lol. WP7 does have a lot of great things going for it, really. I am buying a Trophy from a gaffer here. I'm pretty excited to try it out. I love Zune HD, so the interface should feel instantly pretty familiar.

A connected Zune HD is why I went with Windows Phone. You'll love it.
 
Complex Shadow said:
MS REALLY needs to push zune into their ads.

I agree.

Commodore said:
A connected Zune HD is why I went with Windows Phone. You'll love it.

Now let me ask you this. I assume you had a Zune HD then, right? Was there anything you felt you missed from Zune HD when you moved to WP7? Any features or little touches the Zune HD had that WP7 lacks?
 
VanWinkle said:
Now let me ask you this. I assume you had a Zune HD then, right? Was there anything you felt you missed from Zune HD when you moved to WP7? Any features or little touches the Zune HD had that WP7 lacks?
As a Zune HD owner, I missed the beautiful screensaver and Smart DJ. With Mango, WP7 got replacements for both. Same Smart DJ and Artist Wallpaper at the locksreen.

Complex Shadow said:
MS REALLY needs to push zune into their ads.
I disagree. Zune is a dead brand. They really need to introduce the successor. Maybe with W8 + WP8.
 
VanWinkle said:
I agree.



Now let me ask you this. I assume you had a Zune HD then, right? Was there anything you felt you missed from Zune HD when you moved to WP7? Any features or little touches the Zune HD had that WP7 lacks?
No HD tuner and less storage are the two shortcomings. Many more benefits, but you asked about negatives.
 
brotkasten said:
As a Zune HD owner, I missed the beautiful screensaver and Smart DJ. With Mango, WP7 got replacements for both. Same Smart DJ and Artist Wallpaper at the locksreen.

This. It's complete now. Plus I have all 14 million tracks with me on the go with the Pass. The only thing I want to see now is streamable access to all my autoplaylists I've collated over the years using the Zune software.
 
brotkasten said:
As a Zune HD owner, I missed the beautiful screensaver and Smart DJ. With Mango, WP7 got replacements for both. Same Smart DJ and Artist Wallpaper at the locksreen.


venne said:
No HD tuner and less storage are the two shortcomings. Many more benefits, but you asked about negatives.

Awesome. I don't listen to HD radio myself so that's not a big deal. The storage is why I'm probably going to have to keep using my Zune HD unfortunately.


Commodore said:
This. It's complete now. Plus I have all 14 million tracks with me on the go with the Pass. The only thing I want to see now is streamable access to all my autoplaylists I've collated over the years using the Zune software.

Awesome. Can you create playlists on the phone like on Zune HD?
 
VanWinkle said:
Awesome. Can you create playlists on the phone like on Zune HD?

You can, but only in a round-about way.

You can turn your "Now Playing" list into a playlist.. and you can add individual songs and albums to that list.

There's no easy way to add a song directly to a playlist, unfortunately.. it's a bit of an oversight on MS' part.
 
Robobandit said:
You can, but only in a round-about way.

You can turn your "Now Playing" list into a playlist.. and you can add individual songs and albums to that list.

There's no easy way to add a song directly to a playlist, unfortunately.. it's a bit of an oversight on MS' part.

That's like it was on Zune HD, but you could then save the now playing playlist with a custom name right on the device. Do you know if it does that?
 
VanWinkle said:
Now let me ask you this. I assume you had a Zune HD then, right? Was there anything you felt you missed from Zune HD when you moved to WP7? Any features or little touches the Zune HD had that WP7 lacks?
I still use my Zune HD for music because I find the interface easier to use when you aren't looking at the screen. With the HD, I can easily tap the media button and use gestures to skip forward/back or change the volume without taking it out of my pocket. With my Focus, I can change the volume with the buttons, but I don't find them as precise as using the screen, and you can't really change tracks without looking at the screen.
 
fat pat said:
on day 4 of trophy and wp7. im very strongly leaning at ditching and getting a 4s.

right now the complete lack of customizable notifications for different accounts is strongly annoying as well as the lack of a decent twitter app that does what i want it to.

also, the hardware is just meh. its not bad, but its just boring and the call quality is mediocre at best.

I want so badly to love wp7, its 80% there, but i guess i was spoiled by some of the things android could do.

If this was my first smartphone, im sure id be in love.
I'm sorry, but if you don't like the restrictions Windows Phone places on you, you probably won't like the iPhone either.
 
fat pat said:
Maybe that came out a little more whiney than I wanted it to, but it was sort of intended to be a tell me where I'm wrong, and here's how you can work around those issues this way type post.

Wouldn't it have more effective to just ask for help instead of using dyslexic reverse psychology and insulting WP7 on a thread full of people who dig it?
 
Ugh. I'm tempted to buy the Arrive, but I just absolutely hate the addition of a keyboard.

If only HTC can prove it to me that their keyboard sliders don't break over time, I'll do it, but I just can't.
 
brotkasten said:
I disagree. Zune is a dead brand. They really need to introduce the successor. Maybe with W8 + WP8.

Agreed.... the zune brand was actually kinda cool but it never has gotten the mass market adoption required. I know this doesn't make a ton of sense and I have said it here before but they should rebrand all media under the xbox brand. Its the one consumer brand people actually like from microsoft.
 
VanWinkle said:
That's like it was on Zune HD, but you could then save the now playing playlist with a custom name right on the device. Do you know if it does that?

Yes, it does.

That's what I meant by creating playlists..

You send songs and albums to the "Now Playing" list.. and from that list, you have the option to create a playlist and name it.
 
claviertekky said:
Ugh. I'm tempted to buy the Arrive, but I just absolutely hate the addition of a keyboard.

If only HTC can prove it to me that their keyboard sliders don't break over time, I'll do it, but I just can't.
Don't do it!

You've held out this long; I'd pass unless you come across a great deal on a used one.
 
jagowar said:
Agreed.... the zune brand was actually kinda cool but it never has gotten the mass market adoption required. I know this doesn't make a ton of sense and I have said it here before but they should rebrand all media under the xbox brand. Its the one consumer brand people actually like from microsoft.
I disagree, making everything Xbox will give the problems making everything Windows has. The brand would be to satuiated, it is good to keep the Zune brand alive- and I feel if they wanted to give life back to it, a savy marketing program would no doubt do just that.
 
jagowar said:
Agreed.... the zune brand was actually kinda cool but it never has gotten the mass market adoption required. I know this doesn't make a ton of sense and I have said it here before but they should rebrand all media under the xbox brand. Its the one consumer brand people actually like from microsoft.
they are in the process of doing that
 
Rant ahead, so skip if you don't want to read.

No game 2 weeks in a row is a fucking joke on MS' part. I can take higher prices. I can take slower performance. I can take one game a week. But now no games for 2 weeks? Something needs to give. I've put up with a lot trying to give MS chances. I have the unlocked phone and I've bought quite a few games to play for the achievements. Meanwhile, on iOS I get Scribblenauts yesterday. It's like...in a completely different league. Why the fuck can't something like that come out on both phones simultaneously or close to simultaneously. Oh wait, because developers just don't give a shit. Every major dev I've emailed about bringing their games to WP7 has given the same response, "Maybe we'll look into it!" It's just fucking obnoxious, and I have an iPhone and iPad! I couldn't imagine only having a WP7. I just feel like MS is spitting in the faces of their base and they just don't care. Total opposite of their attitude with the xbox.

/rant
 
trinest said:
I disagree, making everything Xbox will give the problems making everything Windows has. The brand would be to satuiated, it is good to keep the Zune brand alive- and I feel if they wanted to give life back to it, a savy marketing program would no doubt do just that.
That might be true, but they're already doing that. Music and TV services in Windows will be accessed from the Xbox Live menu.

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That's Xbox Live in Windows 8.

The Zune brand is beyond repair and no marketing push will help to change the media's mind.
 
How are the new voice features working for you and in what language?

I've been using them in Germany for a couple of days and it doesn't work as well as I hoped it would. The fixed commands like 'text...' work well, but voice search or text input for messages are often not recognized correctly.
 
maeh2k said:
How are the new voice features working for you and in what language?

I've been using them in Germany for a couple of days and it doesn't work as well as I hoped it would. The fixed commands like 'text...' work well, but voice search or text input for messages are often not recognized correctly.

yeah its not that good in germany. it has problems with english words and names. still, when i am lazy i write using my voice.

btw:
is there a way to switch to the next song or call someone via headset or write a message to someone without the need to press a button on the phone?
the long press on the headset button only works if the phone is already out of the lockscreen, right? and i still need to tap on the "voice" symbol if i want to use my voice to write a message?
 
Damon Bennet said:
yeah its not that good in germany. it has problems with english words and names. still, when i am lazy i write using my voice.

true, English words barely work when the phone is set to German, but that's to be expected.

Damon Bennet said:
is there a way to switch to the next song or call someone via headset or write a message to someone without the need to press a button on the phone?
the long press on the headset button only works if the phone is already out of the lockscreen, right? and i still need to tap on the "voice" symbol if i want to use my voice to write a message?

I think that in the System settings for voice input you can check a box to allow voice input via long-press outside of the lockscreen.

For Facebook/MSN I think you'd need to tap the icon, but for texting there's also that "SMS schreiben an" command.
 
SeanR1221 said:
Rant ahead, so skip if you don't want to read.

No game 2 weeks in a row is a fucking joke on MS' part. I can take higher prices. I can take slower performance. I can take one game a week. But now no games for 2 weeks? Something needs to give. I've put up with a lot trying to give MS chances. I have the unlocked phone and I've bought quite a few games to play for the achievements. Meanwhile, on iOS I get Scribblenauts yesterday. It's like...in a completely different league. Why the fuck can't something like that come out on both phones simultaneously or close to simultaneously. Oh wait, because developers just don't give a shit. Every major dev I've emailed about bringing their games to WP7 has given the same response, "Maybe we'll look into it!" It's just fucking obnoxious, and I have an iPhone and iPad! I couldn't imagine only having a WP7. I just feel like MS is spitting in the faces of their base and they just don't care. Total opposite of their attitude with the xbox.

/rant

I know its annoying but you can't really blame developers. Time is money, and evidently the WP market isn't big enough yet that the time needed to develop the games (in an entirely independent language and API) is worth the potential returns.

Hopefully marketshare can pick up soon so that developers start to see it as a viable ecosystem. It is worth noting that Android still doesn't get a lot of the same apps and games that iOS gets
 
I'm just surprised that MS didn't push to get that Hasta Muerte or whatever out in the past two weeks, or the other games they announced back near PAX.
 
kazinova said:
I'm just surprised that MS didn't push to get that Hasta Muerte or whatever out in the past two weeks, or the other games they announced back near PAX.

I have a feeling (hope) they might be doing some sort of marketing push for the release of the new devices and are holding a bunch of games and apps around the same time. None of the Mango apps that they demoed back at MIX have been pushed out yet, which doesn't make sense when you consider that apps like Spotify and Skype etc were already usable back in April.
 
PG2G said:
I have a feeling (hope) they might be doing some sort of marketing push for the release of the new devices and are holding a bunch of games and apps around the same time. None of the Mango apps that they demoed back at MIX have been pushed out yet, which doesn't make sense when you consider that apps like Spotify and Skype etc were already usable back in April.
They canceled the Skype demo in the last minute. They just showed a slide instead.
 
hope developers wisen up. their work will get lost in iOS and get side loaded in Android, developing for WP seems like a no brainer. devs can even overcharge the WP users who are desperate for crappy iOS ports.
 
i'm hoping all the delay regarding the release of the Mango phones what just so that MS can finally announce Skype for WP. marketing Skype video chat across WP and Facebook from a PC browser could be huge.
 
thirty said:
hope developers wisen up. their work will get lost in iOS and get side loaded in Android, developing for WP seems like a no brainer. devs can even overcharge the WP users who are desperate for crappy iOS ports.

do applications sell on wp?
 
just got my LG quantum and unlocked it. Time to see if I want to keep this over my iphone4.

I looooooove the interface so far, what am I missing?
 
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