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Sikamikanico said:
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MagniHarvald said:
Glad to see Android users having a good experience with WP7, and especially Hero owners as that's what I'll potentially be moving from.
Tempted to get the HD7 from O2 for £380 and get a Simplicity contract, not too sure yet.
Shit, the $50 Focus and HD7 is really tempting me 
I really want to hold out for the Dell though - and really want to go without contract.
Once I've got some experience I'll probably be up for a larger scale, collaborative effort.
I really want to hold out for the Dell though - and really want to go without contract.
I'm probably going to start working on a small scale one ... mostly to learn the ropes. I'm new to the respective dev tools and languages.PG2G said:
Once I've got some experience I'll probably be up for a larger scale, collaborative effort.
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Raistlin said:Shit, the $50 Focus and HD7 is really tempting me
I really want to hold out for the Dell though - and really want to go without contract.
I'm probably going to start working on a small scale one ... mostly to learn the ropes. I'm new to the respective dev tools and languages.
Once I've got some experience I'll probably be up for a larger scale, collaborative effort.
Dell is a pimp looking phone. Just depends on what you're gonna do contract wise with it. Why do you want one without a contract? If it's just because... IDK I might just get one of the two cause of the cash savings and go with which ever one has better service/plans for you.
Brettison said:
Under normal circumstances, buying an unlocked phone and going with T-Mobile will be cheaper (at worst break even) than going under contract. That's because they offer non-contract service at a $20/month discount if you have a phone.
So basically, if you keep it for the duration you come out ahead. And if you don't want to keep it, you can simply sell it and get a different phone penalty-free.
Obviously these prices kind of mess with the savings prospect ... but you're contractually obligated. I just hate the idea of being locked in to a phone for years. They change too often. Especially in this case, where we're talking about launch phones that are required to stay withing a limited HW spec and have yet to have a lot of custom apps to differentiate themselves. I expect things to explode next year, but I need a phone now
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Have there even been any reviews of the Venue Pro yet?
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Windu said:
Oh shit! Thought I'd have to think there's a reason they disabled this by default...?
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MCD said:
I saw this as well. I'm semi shocked as I thought the Galaxy S worldwide was doing great for them. That's a HUGE HUGE HUGE win for MS in this arena.
I wonder why they did it? Maybe they don't want to deal with their own OS stuff anymore? Then again aren't they still fuck'n with bada? Maybe it's a MS money hat thing? IDK... but a big win for MS!
It's a GSM vs. CDMA thing. GSM can do it, CDMA can't right now. Supposedly CDMA will be able to once LTE becomes ubiquitous.Raistlin said:Can anyone confirm whether WP7 supports concurrent talk and data ... at least with providers that have the capability (basically all non-CDMA providers)?
I've seen pictures with the call info - not and incoming call, but a current one - as toast on top of the browser. That leads me to believe this is supported?
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Pctx said:
Yeah, but it's not like android is just gonna stop selling either. Then again they aren't ditching android or bada (why this exists baffles me). Just not focusing on it as much.
Brettison said:
I suspect it's more about bigging a big fish in a small pond. The Android landscape is relative saturated. Growth potential is likely better with MS, at least in the short-term.
And regarding not wanting to deal with their own OS stuff, one of the big battle grounds for WP7 next year will be proprietary apps - both manufacturer and provider. That will be one of the big ways to differentiate.
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Raistlin said:
True true. I mean more in terms of having to deal with getting overall OS updates out with AT&T on Android. Sure they still have to deal with it on WP7, but I figured MS would do a lot of that shit for them.
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Firestorm said:
Engadget Article from Nov 1st!
Canalys: iPhone becomes most popular smartphone in the US, Android continues as most popular OS
By Tim Stevens posted Nov 1st 2010 8:29AM
The Canalys numbers are out, and with Android coming off an 886 percent jump reported at the end of the second quarter we were expecting something big. So, here it is: Android is up 1,309 percent worldwide from this time last year, taking over 43.6 percent of the US smartphone market in the third quarter. In terms of mobile operating systems that makes it the dominant player in America, but with Apple capturing 26.2 percent it now jumps into the lead when it comes to hardware, beating out RIM's 24.2 percent. That's a swap from last quarter, where BlackBerries beat iPhones 32 to 21.7 percent, and worldwide things are looking the same: Apple at 17 percent compared to RIM's 15. However around the globe it's Nokia and the Symbian Foundation still dominating the stage as the leading smart phone OS vendor, owning 33 percent of the market compared to 38 last quarter, while Microsoft sits at a lowly 3 percent. With WP7 ready to rock the world, and Ballmer ready to release the advertising hounds, that's a figure we'll be keeping a close eye on for the next few quarters.
Update: NPD has posted its third quarter smartphone market share and Mobile Phone Track reports; they basically back up Canalys' report, though NPD gives both Apple and RIM slightly less market share. Interestingly, RIM's BlackBerry Curve 8500 series is identified as the second-best selling phone in the US in the quarter, while the lowly LG Cosmos for Verizon takes third. Weird, huh?
Raistlin said:
I have a feeling that proprietary apps will become less and less important over time though as the app market grows, unless Microsoft continues to limit the available APIs. OEMs have access to native code though, so whatever they do will potentially perform better than the other apps in the market.
PG2G said:
I certainly think there's merit to that point. However in some cases it will come down to costs. Most apps in the marketplace will be relatively inexpensive - implying low(ish) dev costs. Manufacturers and Providers can certainly fund larger scale projects than most.
It sucks now and will hopefully be an option in the future. However, there's some who might think the resetting to defaults is helpful in some ways.Mr. Snrub said:
The video resolution is annoying, but for regular pictures, picture the scenario where you want to take a picture right away at an unexpected time. If you take it out of your pocket and want to take a pic in seconds, better that it has the normal default settings instead of some weird customized settings you only wanted once before.
But yeah, hopefully they introduce some options in the future.
I don't know if it's a mistake. I don't think marketshare was Apple's goal with the iPhone. They hedged themselves early with that exclusive deal by guaranteeing a chunk of contracts. Now that they're into the 4th year of the device/line, we're not that far away from seeing it jump to other carriers.Firestorm said:
At any rate, increased competition with these 3 platforms for the smartphone marketplace is a big win for consumers.
come on, i love my HD7 and the new windows phone platform but don't shit on blackberry. IMO, blackberry's ability to push any email account automatically makes it king of email. also, it's the king of notification thanks the blackberry's led light. i had an app that would notify me with different colored led lights depending on whether it was a text, missed call, email, and i even added led notifications for a couple of my contacts. oh, and blackberry is still the king of battery life and overall phone features as it's a phone with smartphone apps compared to these pocket mini-tablets with what often feels like a lackluster phone app.VanMardigan said:
Yeah, this is actually shocking to me. Being in my young 20s, a lot of friends that aren't tech-savvy at all rave about BBM/Kik.Firestorm said:
It was actually funny having a conversation with some girl about Kik.
Me: What's wrong with just texting?
Her: Kik's just better. It's like BBM - more like an instant messenger so you can actually have a conversation.
Me: Who are you and what have you done with the real you?
I'm looking forward to trying out BBM once I get a BlackBerry just to figure out what makes people so attached to it. It feels so foreign to me. I'm pretty sure it's my ignorance talking, but it doesn't seem that much more useful than texting if you already have unlimited (or in my case 2500 which is basically unlimited) texts per month. I just don't want to get attached to it because I fully intend to get a WP7 handset afterwards and won't have it =P
I've seen entire ad campaigns centred around BBM. All the ads on our buses were about BBM being the "after-after-party" and things like that. I've never seen people using Kik or the other BBM clones on the other phones though.
I've seen entire ad campaigns centred around BBM. All the ads on our buses were about BBM being the "after-after-party" and things like that. I've never seen people using Kik or the other BBM clones on the other phones though.
I mean part of is that different people have different text limits/aren't sure how many texts other people have. Knowing that you can send/get unlimited messages allows you to be more flippant with the way you communicate.Firestorm said:
I've noticed the same people communicate differently via text and bbm. It's weird, really.
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As nerds, I feel like we ignore RIM too often. Ignoring the obvious huge marketshare, the standard Blackberry Bolds are just sexy, sexy devices. Keyboard feels very nice, the hardware feels very sturdy, and the battery just lasts forever. E-mail comes through great and the notifications are handled well.
The UI can certainly be refined. RIM seems to be playing this weird game where they're really concerned about fragmenting its audience into business and consumer. The former obviously is their bread and butter, and their security feature set and reliability plays a huge part in that.
i completely forgot about bbm. yes, since moving over to WP7 my bbm friends seem to now ignore me.
why bbm is so loved? everyone has their reasons. i like how you can set up groups and have a long on going group chat with friends and exchange pics to your group, all without using your texting plan.
what i don't understand is why can't phone makers/carriers implement a way for text messages to functions like bbm? we can send the same text out to multiple contacts, why not have your texts go into a pool viewable by all selected contacts?
why bbm is so loved? everyone has their reasons. i like how you can set up groups and have a long on going group chat with friends and exchange pics to your group, all without using your texting plan.
what i don't understand is why can't phone makers/carriers implement a way for text messages to functions like bbm? we can send the same text out to multiple contacts, why not have your texts go into a pool viewable by all selected contacts?
I've always wondered if Apple would institute an iChat for iPhones that would work across Facebook-AIM-MSN-GChat-etc.Firestorm said:As much as I hate it, RIM's best option may be to market a BB OS7 Home and BB OS7 Professional ala Windows
Carriers probably wouldn't be thrilled by the idea.
Well I broke down and ordered a Samsung Focus. Beyond the unknown release date I've heard some less than impressive things regarding the Venue. Couple that with the Focus price on Amazon ... I just couldn't say no.
The bad news is that it's back ordered until Dec 1. The good news is that I ordered it sight-unseen, so I have plenty of time to test it out at an AT&T store.
Any owners have a case recommendation?
The bad news is that it's back ordered until Dec 1. The good news is that I ordered it sight-unseen, so I have plenty of time to test it out at an AT&T store.
Any owners have a case recommendation?
I got to use one for a couple minutes at a showcase. Definitely looks a lot prettier in pictures. In person, it's quite "plasticy" and is missing lots of the industrial design finesse you'd think it would have from those fancy pictures. It's heavier and bulkier than you'd expect, and the keyboard keys are even smaller than you'd expect even knowing that it's a portrait slider going into it.
Probably because, despite it being heavy and bulky, it's actually not that big.
The Samsung Focus is superior in nearly every way.
Probably because, despite it being heavy and bulky, it's actually not that big.
The Samsung Focus is superior in nearly every way.
Some threads with people that have it.Firestorm said:
General consensus seems to be that the bulk of keyboard isn't worth it ... camera is terrible ... screen not as impressive as expected ... buggy.
Throw that together with an unknown release date - which begs the question, why exactly do the not know when it's releasing? - and I just can't stomach waiting on such an unknown quantity.
Then to top it off the head of Dell's mobile division just got shit-canned, and I'm finding the idea of it being a coincidence hard to swallow. Just look at the timeline. Dell goes out on a limb and announces they are replacing all employee BB's with Venue Pro's (tens of thousands). An incredibly soft launch (~100 units) of the Venue Pro is conducted at the 7 MS stores. Reports of issues start to roll in. UK launch postponed until next year. US hard launch slips with no announcement of an updated release. Mobile chief fired. Yeah, doesn't look so good.
With the prices as they are right now at Amazon, I'm going to verify whether I prefer the Focus or the HD7 on Friday ... but I suspect I'll prefer the Samsung. Either way, hard to pass up on $50 phones.
I'm glad to read I made the right choice, though it's still disappointing to hear the Dell is such a shit box.dLMN8R said:
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Raistlin said:
I love my Samsung Focus and that's saying a lot because I generally loath Samsung phones. I still think it's ugly plasticky lookings but my gosh that screen along with WP7 OS just make using smartphone a pleasure instead of a chore.
There are very few case available .. I got the incipio case should be here today. I can post pictures later on.
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MCD said:
They seems really optimistic about the future of WP7 in Asia. I haven't been there (Asia) in awhile and never paid too much attention to their cell phones market.
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MCD said:
Going to pick up a case myself. Post some pic's and thoughts when yours arrives, if you don't mind mate.
Some questions:
- Can you preview attachments in Mail without downloading? If so, what types of files does it support? (PDF, doc(x), ppt(x), xls(x))
- Is WPA2 supported? Persistent W-Fi? If it detects a known Wi-Fi network, does it automatically switch over from 3G? Can you completely disable cellular data?
- Can you save pictures from IE to your phone? How does one send that picture to twitter, facebook, or IM?
- Is there autofill in IE? Any sort of password manager?
- Can you download files from IE?
- Is there a way to scroll back to the top quickly in apps?
- Can you use bookmarklets? (http://ipuhelin.com/en/safariplus/)
- What quality setting does Youtube have? Can you change it? Can you upload videos directly to youtube? (HD?)
- How is the camera/video interface? Tap to focus?
- Can you search texts or emails?
- Google just added docs support for mobile devices, does it work on WP7? (access and create docs/ppt/xls)
- Spell check/dictionary support in text fields?
- Can you preview attachments in Mail without downloading? If so, what types of files does it support? (PDF, doc(x), ppt(x), xls(x))
- Is WPA2 supported? Persistent W-Fi? If it detects a known Wi-Fi network, does it automatically switch over from 3G? Can you completely disable cellular data?
- Can you save pictures from IE to your phone? How does one send that picture to twitter, facebook, or IM?
- Is there autofill in IE? Any sort of password manager?
- Can you download files from IE?
- Is there a way to scroll back to the top quickly in apps?
- Can you use bookmarklets? (http://ipuhelin.com/en/safariplus/)
- What quality setting does Youtube have? Can you change it? Can you upload videos directly to youtube? (HD?)
- How is the camera/video interface? Tap to focus?
- Can you search texts or emails?
- Google just added docs support for mobile devices, does it work on WP7? (access and create docs/ppt/xls)
- Spell check/dictionary support in text fields?
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MasterLeePhD said:Some pics of my Omnia 7
a bit off topic... But I love the wallpaper used. Could you upload the source? ^__^
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Supports WPA2giga said:
Option to turn off cellular data
Dictionary and spell check are in
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cityhunter said:
Found it on Flickr and Photoshoped the red cart from Excitebike to SMB. (All rights go to its rightful owner)
Looks so good on the omnia 7 screen.
Enjoy!
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Raistlin said:
That actually look really nice.
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