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VanMardigan said:
I think android works the way you are describing in terms of the back button. But really, this is some nitpicky shit man. Do you overthink every purchasing decision this way?
That wasn't in relation to a purchasing decision. I'm attempting two things - to understand how it currently works, and to discuss ways to improve it.

Last time I checked this was the WP7 thread. I'm pretty sure the discussion at hand is appropriate and relevant.


It's like your left handed scrolling complaint. Hands over the icons? Seriously? I put my finger over my iphone and my android icons all the time, its a damn touchscreen man.
You seem to be more upset about this than me.

If you don't want to discuss the phone ... GTFO of the thread.
 
(Referencing posts on previous page)

It's pretty ridiculous how over-blown the back button nonsense is in some reviews. These reviewers seemed to spend so much time analyzing such minute details about exact functionality that they weren't able to just step 2 feet back and explain what it's like to actually use the device like a normal person.

After using the Focus like a normal person for more than a week, I can safely and confidently say that it always does exactly what I expect it to. I can't think of a single time where the back button did something that I wish it didn't do, or that I didn't expect it to do.
 
I was under the impression you could browse and then stream films from the video marketplace off my phone. I guess this is not the case :( I've been looking but can't seem to do it.
 
dallow_bg said:
Yeah back works fine. I don't even think about it.

It makes me want a forward button actually.

The lack of this confuses me too ... at least based on my limited knowledge and time using it.

Maybe it'll make sense once I've used it for a while.
 
besiktas1 said:
I was under the impression you could browse and then stream films from the video marketplace off my phone. I guess this is not the case :( I've been looking but can't seem to do it.

Nope.. no movies and tv shows without using the zune software.

Additionally, you'd have to pay for streaming movies and videos.. zunepass is only music and if you're going to pay for streaming, you'd get a better deal from Netflix.
 
Robobandit said:
Nope.. no movies and tv shows without using the zune software.

Additionally, you'd have to pay for streaming movies and videos.. zunepass is only music and if you're going to pay for streaming, you'd get a better deal from Netflix.

I'm fine with paying but I thought you could just stream using wifi. Oh well, maybe in the future update :)
 
WP7 will stream content from Veil (WHS2) ... locally and over the web. That's actually the one of the main reasons I've decided to get one in lieu of a Gingerbread Android phone.
 
Raistlin said:
WP7 will stream content from Veil (WHS2) ... locally and over the web. That's actually the one of the main reasons I've decided to get one in lieu of a Gingerbread Android phone.

Does Vail even have a release date yet? And can't someone just make an app for it for Android or iOS?
 
Raistlin said:
WP7 will stream content from Veil (WHS2) ... locally and over the web. That's actually the one of the main reasons I've decided to get one in lieu of a Gingerbread Android phone.

What is Veil?
 
Dazzla said:
I just deleted my Gmail account and set it back up as an Exchange account and it pushes perfectly now. Don't know what that's about because the account settings look identical.

This is kind of weird but gmail pushes fine for me set up as a normal google account and not through exchange.
 
Windows Phone 7: The 10 features Microsoft should add ASAP

Arstechnica said:
The biggest missing feature of all: a roadmap

Committing to a product roadmap is always a tricky thing. You don't want to portray your future products as being so spectacular that someone would be a fool to buy now. But equally, you don't want people to be scared off from using your platform just because of uncertainty over what the future holds. There's a definite balancing act to perform, but so far, I think Microsoft has tended to lean too far towards "uncertainty over the future".

I like Windows Phone 7 a lot. It's eye-catching, and people seem genuinely impressed when they actually get their hands on it. I hope it has a bright future. But I recognize that it's got a lot of gaps. Gaps that need filling to put the operating system on the same terms as Android and iOS.

I'm sure these gaps will be filled, eventually. But I don't actually know at the moment. Someone buying a Windows Phone 7 device right now is taking a bit of a gamble—they're gambling that the missing or incomplete features are going to get added within a reasonable timeframe. If it turns out that we're going to have to wait 18-24 months for multitasking, say, I think a lot of early buyers are going to feel short-changed. After all, if you have to wait that long, you might as well sit out this generation of devices and stick with Android or iOS in the meantime.

Talking a little more about the future, telling us at the very least what kind of upgrade schedule we're going to see, and giving us a feel for the scope of the upgrades, would do a lot to improve opinions of the platform. It makes picking Windows Phone 7 less of a risk, and more of a certainty. The confidence that the platform will become an equal peer to iOS and Android—and soon—is the most significant feature Microsoft can add.

Interesting article. Some missing features I didn't know about.
 
So supposedly Angry Birds is going to consoles now. I wonder if that means we'll get a WP7 version since the XDA platform works across PC, 360, and WP7...

I agree with that arstech article in terms of a road map. I think the UI has to many pluses though that I'd sit out and get an android or ios product though.

IMO the update around CES is gonna be telling in terms of what we get and how we get it.
 
Brettison said:
So supposedly Angry Birds is going to consoles now. I wonder if that means we'll get a WP7 version since the XDA platform works across PC, 360, and WP7...

I agree with that arstech article in terms of a road map. I think the UI has to many pluses though that I'd sit out and get an android or ios product though.

IMO the update around CES is gonna be telling in terms of what we get and how we get it.
I hope so, to be honest I wanted words with friends most. They're saying it's not in the works, which is sad:(
 
trinest said:
I thought that doesn't work in WP7- it says for me I can't login cause its not a mobile or something stupid.

Weird... that's what I've been using since I got my phone. Granted it's weird having it look like iOS, but it's fully functional for me.
 
besiktas1 said:
I hope so, to be honest I wanted words with friends most. They're saying it's not in the works, which is sad:(

alphajax is just as good and already on wp7.... the only issue is you can't play with existing words with friends users.
 
trinest said:
I thought that doesn't work in WP7- it says for me I can't login cause its not a mobile or something stupid.

Really? It works fine for me. Still the best way to browse GAF.

On a good note I finally got my phone to sync. Apparently a long-overdue Windows Update was all that it took. Huzzah.

Oh, and man is Zune better than iTunes on a PC and, I think, rivals iTunes on a Mac. I don't know why the Zune brand isn't stronger other than limited marketing and just being late in general.
 
trinest said:
I thought that doesn't work in WP7- it says for me I can't login cause its not a mobile or something stupid.
Doesn't IE have a setting which makes it appear like a desktop browser? That might be why
 
Anno said:
Really? It works fine for me. Still the best way to browse GAF.

On a good note I finally got my phone to sync. Apparently a long-overdue Windows Update was all that it took. Huzzah.

Oh, and man is Zune better than iTunes on a PC and, I think, rivals iTunes on a Mac. I don't know why the Zune brand isn't stronger other than limited marketing and just being late in general.

Zune 1.0 sucked. It didn't get good till they did the full redesign with version 3.0, and then they've just improved upon that up till 4.7. By time it got good nobody gave a fuck.

On another note good to hear you got your phone working! What phone did you get btw?
 
Totakeke said:
Does Vail even have a release date yet? And can't someone just make an app for it for Android or iOS?
Release date? Not yet, though I expect it within the next 6 months.


As for an app, I'm sure one could be made - it just won't be as well integrated. My understanding is that this content will directly map into the phone's photo and music/videos hubs. I also suspect at least some features available will not be duplicable.





besiktas1 said:
So with that can I stream my videos from home? No need for a sync? How do I do it?
That is the hope. Obviously we'll wait and see.

Speaking of which, I'm considering side-loading zune onto my server (assuming an add-in isn't created) so it will always be on for syncing when I do need it ;)
 
I want to say it was Maximum PC that did an article on that server stuff and what was gonna be in the next version recently. I'd check online for an article about it all!
 
Thought this was a GREAT tip for people who are frustrated by lack of copy / paste when it comes to searching.

http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-ph...experts+(wpcentral)&utm_content=Google+Reader

Basically, in IE or Word, select some text and simply click the hardware search button. The Bing search app will load up with your selected text already inputted! :D

*Edit* Paul Thurott just posted another tip (and is going to be posting more in the coming days it seems like). Instead of waiting for a notification to go away, you can simply swipe it to the right!

http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/11/16/tip-swipe-to-hide-notifications/
 
Brettison said:
Zune 1.0 sucked. It didn't get good till they did the full redesign with version 3.0, and then they've just improved upon that up till 4.7. By time it got good nobody gave a fuck.

On another note good to hear you got your phone working! What phone did you get btw?

Ended up going with the Surround. I'm ambivalent to the speaker (though it does sound quite good for a cell phone speaker and I'm sure I'll find a way to make use of it), but I love the heft and built quality of the phone. It hurt to not buy the Focus with its amazing screen but it just felt...cheap, I guess. Not poorly built, just cheap. Plus it's a little wide for my small hands. Were I a patient guy I'd wait until later in 2011 but, hey, I'm a sucker for early adopting I guess.
 
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Yeah, the blacks on the Samsung Super Amoled screens are the best on any phone. Combined wiht the black bezel, it's a cool effect where you don't know where the screen ends and the bezel begins on black screens.
 
Brettison said:
Good to hear! I don't really need push notifications tho cause I feel like I'd get way to many twitter updates compared to say facebook. I can see how many would like this though.

I want FB to update with places!

I imagine its just push for mentions and messages, not normal tweets. Those should be in line with what you get on facebook, no?

And yeah, FB needs places, Yelp needs to not suck ass. All apps need some optimization, heh. I really hope they offer a native development kit at some point. There is such a big difference between scrolling through a list in the people hub or wherever compared to apps like facebook or twitter.
 
PG2G said:
I imagine its just push for mentions and messages, not normal tweets. Those should be in line with what you get on facebook, no?

And yeah, FB needs places, Yelp needs to not suck ass. All apps need some optimization, heh. I really hope they offer a native development kit at some point. There is such a big difference between scrolling through a list in the people hub or wherever compared to apps like facebook or twitter.
Eh? Shouldn’t the first party apps also be built with Silverlight/.net? (managed code)
 
giga said:
Eh? Shouldn’t the first party apps also be built with Silverlight/.net? (managed code)

No, I'm pretty sure that anything that shipped with the OS (e.g. Internet Explorer, Hubs, Zune, Email) is all written in native code. Some of the major controls like panorama and pivot weren't even available in the SDK until it went final.

I'm assuming the reason that APIs like camera aren't available in the SDK is because they haven't built the necessary wrappers for them.
 
PG2G said:
No, I'm pretty sure that anything that shipped with the OS (e.g. Internet Explorer, Hubs, Zune, Email) is all written in native code. Some of the major controls like panorama and pivot weren't even available in the SDK until it went final.

I'm assuming the reason that APIs like camera aren't available in the SDK is because they haven't built the necessary wrappers for them.

Personally what I see instead is just added functionality to the next version of XNA.
 
Raistlin said:
That's good news, though I really wish it was incorporated into the People hub

Come on MS ... do it justice!!
They can't. It's an issue on Twitter's end. They used to have the functionality in Messenger and it was removed due to a change in Twitter's Terms of Use.
 
10 things I personally want in no order...

1. Bing Maps turn by turn
2. Facebook Places
3. ESPN apps
4. Multitasking or at least better save states
5. Google Chat and a Google Voice App
6. Use Live points to pay for stuff other than music/videos
7. More games with the full XBLA stuff
8. Easier way to get stuff from my skydrive to my phone
9. Battery % overlay on the battery icon
10. NPR App

PS: This is not counting Copy and Paste since it's much been talked about and Twitter integration cause Twitter and MS don't see eye to eye on this.
 
Firestorm said:
They can't. It's an issue on Twitter's end. They used to have the functionality in Messenger and it was removed due to a change in Twitter's Terms of Use.
Oh I know. Obviously it would necessitate working with Twitter for an acceptable solution.




Brettison said:
10 things I personally want in no order...

1. Bing Maps turn by turn
2. Facebook Places
3. ESPN apps
4. Multitasking or at least better save states
5. Google Chat and a Google Voice App
6. Use Live points to pay for stuff other than music/videos
7. More games with the full XBLA stuff
8. Easier way to get stuff from my skydrive to my phone
9. Battery % overlay on the battery icon
10. NPR App

PS: This is not counting Copy and Paste since it's much been talked about and Twitter integration cause Twitter and MS don't see eye to eye on this.
I just don't get it. Why do Live Points exist, let alone people actually like them?
 
Cool. i like top 10s:

1: Bing Maps Turn by Turn
2: SMARTDIAL!
3: Universal Windows Messenger(/yahoo/Fbook chat/etc)/SMS/notifications/etc similar to BlackBerry/Crackberry
4: Device-wide Bing search
5: remote media streaming from home PC (Like Windows Media Player/Center)
6: Multitasking!!!! With options! At least save state option
7: More live tile ability (toggles, a way to customize at-a-glance info)
8: customized button mapping
9: folders in program list/main tile folders
10: A way to xfer info from File Explorer, even if its just a plugin or something. Not just media. Cut out the middleman
 
EDIT: Bah I want to change my top 10 now... I forgot one...

Honorable Mention: More Live Tiles and even make the icons in the title usable...

Raistlin said:
Oh I know. Obviously it would necessitate working with Twitter for an acceptable solution.





I just don't get it. Why do Live Points exist, let alone people actually like them?

I don't mind it if I can use both a credit card AND live points. The key with liking live points is you can sometimes get them on sale or you can win live points. There have been alot of sales on 1600 point cards for $15 instead of $20. So it saves you cash. I just don't want it to be the only way to pay.


PG2G said:
Because they go on sale :P

DING DING DING
 
PG2G said:
Because they go on sale :P

Yep this. Also I earn points at my local store that I redeem for points card. It's annoying that my xbox point doesn't show up on my live profile. But I guess I could hide my gaming purchase inside a phone bill.
 
Ringtones for alarms and calls.

I bought a third party app for mp3 alarm clocks. The app has to be launched for it to work, it drained all my battery, and I ended up missing my morning classes ><
 
Raistlin said:
I just don't get it. Why do Live Points exist, let alone people actually like them?
The day you give me $50 for $25 is the day I give up on Microsoft Points. That and the day you give me $1.25 for $0 and let me keep asking for it until you run out.
 
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