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Gary Whitta said:
Obviously. Those decisions are made all the time, and Microsoft has a history of making them poorly. Here's the latest example.
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The fact they have any client at all for mac currently (however basic and bare-bones it may be) shows that they're aware of it, and is at the very least, better than the total lack of support with the zune.
 
Zerokku said:
The fact they have any client at all for mac currently (however basic and bare-bones it may be) shows that they're aware of it, and is at the very least, better than the total lack of support with the zune.
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I agree it's a start but the Zune integration is one of the best selling points of WP7 so until they add that the Mac syncing is not going to be that attractive for most potential buyers. You're basically just buying a seriously gimped version of the phone.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I think this is the first time I've ever had serious phone envy since I became a born-again iPhone zealout. The Focus is a really beautiful phone, the UI is fantastic and I want a Zune pass so I can have all my stuff on my Xbox, computer and phone! But in order to do that I'd also have to be willing to switch back from Mac to a Windows PC. Why won't make Zune Mac-compatible? They're leaving money on the table here.
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Gary Whitta said:
I agree it's a start but the Zune integration is one of the best selling points of WP7 so until they add that the Mac syncing is not going to be that attractive for most potential buyers. You're basically just buying a seriously gimped version of the phone.
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You mean most potential MAC buyers. I don't mean to harp, but this is the key point. They figure they have better growth opportunity currently by getting the phone up to par for windows users rather than doing a mac client currently. Not to say they won't in the future.

I'd easily argue this is totally the right decision.

PS: The argument could be made that MS is big enough to do all of this and then some, but I wasn't going down that road as it's a whole nother can of worms.
 
I think the WP7 Connector for Mac is better than nothing.

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And it probably works and performs better in combination with iTunes than a ported Zune software client. But the fact that you can't browse and download apps with it sucks big time. I wouldn't switch if I had a Mac right now.
 
Microsoft says to NOT use the phone as a USB storage device:

Here’s what Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore said to me on this topic the day after the Windows Phone 7 launch event in New York late last month:

“Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.”
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This is in response to the recent articles on how to hack this functionality in.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Yeah it's ridiculous, Microsoft certainly has the resources to do both. Plus making this available for Mac users allows them to target iPhone users and steal them away.
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Mr. Snrub said:
Exactly...I mean, I have no understanding of corporate business strategy, but trying to directly carve out a piece of your competitor's market has to have value, does it not?
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Your both assuming their competition only lives on MACs. My mom has an iphone, and she has a new i3 laptop with windows 7. My vent friends have android and iphones, but they all have pcs (one or two also have a mac). So getting the service up to par on their own platform would still carve a piece out of their competition.
 
With the Omnia, what kind of notications does it have when you get a new message? My Hero's touchball lights up and pulsates.
 
How many people on Macs would seriously buy a WP7 phone though? Are there enough people to justify an investment to bring over the Zune platform?
 
delirium said:
How many people on Macs would seriously buy a WP7 phone though? Are there enough people to justify an investment to bring over the Zune platform?
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I think there are a lot of iTunes/iPhone owners who would probably prefer a subscription model like Zune Pass, so it's not just about switching phones it's about the whole way in which you get your music. I know I would find that combination very tempting.
 
delirium said:
How many people on Macs would seriously buy a WP7 phone though? Are there enough people to justify an investment to bring over the Zune platform?
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Desktop is broken right now so I'm on my Mac. Will also be away from home for 8 months next year with only my MacBook Pro as I don't want to lug around my W7 Desktop. I've been on the WP7 bandwagon since they revealed it.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I agree it's a start but the Zune integration is one of the best selling points of WP7 so until they add that the Mac syncing is not going to be that attractive for most potential buyers. You're basically just buying a seriously gimped version of the phone.
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I plan on using the Zune software through VMWare. Is there some reason that wouldn't work? I'm not suggesting that should be Microsoft's official solution but it seems a viable work around for now...
 
delirium said:
How many people on Macs would seriously buy a WP7 phone though? Are there enough people to justify an investment to bring over the Zune platform?
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A WP 6/6.5 phone? Probably none...but WP7 has the chance to be a real competitor and probably has the best design, aesthetic-wise.
 
Firestorm said:
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Desktop is broken right now so I'm on my Mac. Will also be away from home for 8 months next year with only my MacBook Pro as I don't want to lug around my W7 Desktop. I've been on the WP7 bandwagon since they revealed it.
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Couldn't you just run bootcamp?

At anyrate I'm not saying some wouldn't switch but the pool is hella larger on windows verses them focusing on the Mac at this current time. The key IMO is if they neglect this all together till the end of time.
 
Brettison said:
Couldn't you just run bootcamp?

At anyrate I'm not saying some wouldn't switch but the pool is hella larger on windows verses them focusing on the Mac at this current time. The key IMO is if they neglect this all together till the end of time.
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Why in the world would I want to restart my computer to manage my media collection? It's actually a complete mystery to me why the largest third party software developer on the Mac platform isn't creating a Mac version of what they're trying to make into a major brand.
 
Firestorm said:
Why in the world would I want to restart my computer to manage my media collection? It's actually a complete mystery to me why the largest third party software developer on the Mac platform isn't creating a Mac version of what they're trying to make into a major brand.
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Who said they aren't creating a Mac version?
 
Firestorm said:
Why in the world would I want to restart my computer to manage my media collection? It's actually a complete mystery to me why the largest third party software developer on the Mac platform isn't creating a Mac version of what they're trying to make into a major brand.
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Cause the platform isn't even mature on Windows yet? Nobody said they aren't making a Mac client, but when Mac OSX only hold 5% of the market world wide they figured they'd have a better chance gaining customers fixing shit on the phone and the Windows side 1st. I mean they DID make a Mac sync client which shows they obviously know the market is there.

I mean fuck they didn't even have the Zune marketplace up and running for Windows clients all over the world. Shit's gonna take time.

You can count me down though that MS needs to be working fucking over time on this. IMO it should be priority #1 outside of their core OS/Office business.
 
brotkasten said:
Who said they aren't creating a Mac version?
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Because it'd be pretty silly to not have one ready for launch, and it'd be even sillier to not announce that one is in development for launch.
 
Brettison said:
Cause the platform isn't even mature on Windows yet? Nobody said they aren't making a Mac client, but when Mac OSX only hold 5% of the market world wide they figured they'd have a better chance gaining customers fixing shit on the phone and the Windows side 1st. I mean they DID make a Mac sync client which shows they obviously know the market is there.

I mean fuck they didn't even have the Zune marketplace up and running for Windows clients all over the world. Shit's gonna take time.

You can count me down though that MS needs to be working fucking over time on this. IMO it should be priority #1 outside of their core OS/Office business.
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Sure they're making a Mac client, but it should be out by now. Zune has been out for what, 4 years? I'd think they'd be able to put together a team that could be working on this right now.

Not having Zune marketplace worldwide has nothing to do with this. The software development team isn't the same as the licensing team. If they get marketplace working on Windows in a country, there's no extra effort involved in getting it working on Mac. The license is the same.
 
Still strange at how the US gets data plan charges. They are inclusive here in Europe.
 
My thought would be that developing DRM for the mac might be more effort than they want to expend..

They probably could take a number of customers from Apple if they'd bring Zune over with Zunepass in-tact, though.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Still strange at how the US gets data plan charges. They are inclusive here in Europe.
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Difference on how cell service works is like fuck'n light years apart between the two. It's soooo fucked up.
 
I have no idea where to ask this, since there are separate threads for separate phones and OS' and I feel like people would get mad if I made a thread, so...

T-Mobile G2, or T-Mobile HTC HD7

I mainly want the G2 because it has that nice slide out HARDWARE keyboard.

I find the Windows OS more appealing though.

Opinions gaf?
 
Jeels said:
I have no idea where to ask this, since there are separate threads for separate phones and OS' and I feel like people would get mad if I made a thread, so...

T-Mobile G2, or T-Mobile HTC HD7

I mainly want the G2 because it has that nice slide out HARDWARE keyboard.

I find the Windows OS more appealing though.

Opinions gaf?
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Do you have 4g near you, and would you be willing to pay the extra $10 for 4g? How much do you give a shit about xbla and zune/zunepass? Is a hardware keyboard make or break?
 
Jeels said:
I have no idea where to ask this, since there are separate threads for separate phones and OS' and I feel like people would get mad if I made a thread, so...

T-Mobile G2, or T-Mobile HTC HD7

I mainly want the G2 because it has that nice slide out HARDWARE keyboard.

I find the Windows OS more appealing though.

Opinions gaf?
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depends on a few factors. do you have hspa+ in your area? is battery life important? I won't even get into Android vs WP7. I don't have hspa+, can plug in at work or home, so I choose the HD7. Android just isn't impressive to me. sure it can do so much more but it's such a clusterfuck at doing all those things.
 
I would not be using whatever pay extra service for internet everywhere. I would simply be using whatever wifi hotspot I am in.
 
Well as I was saying, I'm not upgrading my plan or anything. The only time I'd be using internet is through wifi.

The other questions: Battery life is not really an issue so long as it can last a day. I can charge my phone once I get home, although probably not at work or school.

Android vs WP7: WP7 is looking more impressive to me. I also have an XBL and Netflix account so that means something I guess...

Hardware keyboard: Is preferred over touch screen keyboard. Just something I prefer, which is what drew me to the G2 in the first place.

4g question: Well I wouldn't be paying for it so I wouldn't be using it, but I live in Houston so yes there is 4g here.

What I want out of/use a phone for most: Texting, Internet Browsing (I'm always at school so I'm always around wifi), Apps for the purpose of either gaming or diversions.
 
Well I just tried installing the app. It asks me if I would allow for instant messages to be received while the app is in the background. So maybe that's it...

I just don't get it, this is a MS phone, why not just have an official app for launch :/
 
besiktas1 said:
Well I just tried installing the app. It asks me if I would allow for instant messages to be received while the app is in the background. So maybe that's it...

I just don't get it, this is a MS phone, why not just have an official app for launch :/
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They were busy coding the official WLM for the Zune HD, lulz.
 
besiktas1 said:
Well I just tried installing the app. It asks me if I would allow for instant messages to be received while the app is in the background. So maybe that's it...

I just don't get it, this is a MS phone, why not just have an official app for launch :/
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Maybe they're focusing on Lync for the platform.

"In addition to providing business users with a software platform for enterprise telephony, instant messaging, and video and audio conferencing, Lync can also interface with Microsoft products such as Windows Live Messenger and its new Kinect hands-free game controller—potentially expanding the platform’s viability to the consumer segment."

"Mobile clients for the Apple iPhone, Nokia phones and Windows Phone 7 are expected within the year."

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/VOIP-and-T...0-Targeting-Enterprise-Communications-523556/
 
Getting the full Zune client on Mac might be more of a technical hurdle than business/prioritization hurdle too. It uses DirectX so extensively to render the entire UI, it can't be a simple application to port over. And if/when they actually do bring the software over, they probably don't want to do it in the same shitty way Apple brought iTunes to the PC.
 
dLMN8R said:
Getting the full Zune client on Mac might be more of a technical hurdle than business/prioritization hurdle too. It uses DirectX so extensively to render the entire UI, it can't be a simple application to port over. And if/when they actually do bring the software over, they probably don't want to do it in the same shitty way Apple brought iTunes to the PC.
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There is this as well. I was figuring it would require a full recode with Open CL usage. You can't just crap that out in a day and have it work well.

I get that MS should have had shit done, but this is a fact we knew going in. We already knew they were behind in the game. The question is how fast can they work to catch up, and how compelling will their offer be.
 
Brettison said:
There is this as well. I was figuring it would require a full recode with Open CL usage. You can't just crap that out in a day and have it work well.

I get that MS should have had shit done, but this is a fact we knew going in. We already knew they were behind in the game. The question is how fast can they work to catch up, and how compelling will their offer be.
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or four years even.
 
dLMN8R said:
Getting the full Zune client on Mac might be more of a technical hurdle than business/prioritization hurdle too. It uses DirectX so extensively to render the entire UI, it can't be a simple application to port over. And if/when they actually do bring the software over, they probably don't want to do it in the same shitty way Apple brought iTunes to the PC.
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Zune software has been out since 2006. Their mobile/entertainment team doesn’t take the Mac platform seriously.
 
Raistlin said:
More like the market hasn't taken them seriously
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Might as well just can the Mac BU then right? That’s a market. If you don’t take the first step you won’t create that market.
 
windows makes up like what? 95% of the market? They don't need to support mac, the only reason they do is because it seems like most of the tech journalist use them and will complain.
 
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