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venne said:
Thank god.

It's asinine that I have Windows Media Center, Windows Media Player, and Zune all on my computer. One program that does all the above please!
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No not thank god, I use Zune far more than the other two!

Zune isn't hated or disliked - those who use it love it. It's just relatively unknown. Exposure through Xbox 360 is changing that, as would exposure through Windows Phone 7 would.
 
Ugh Chevron has decided to stop working, so there goes my wifi tile :(

Giving me "connection error" on pc. Yes it's connected via usb and yes zune is running. Almost rage mode...
 
Sir Fragula said:
No not thank god, I use Zune far more than the other two!

Zune isn't hated or disliked - those who use it love it. It's just relatively unknown. Exposure through Xbox 360 is changing that, as would exposure through Windows Phone 7 would.
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The key is this isn't about the product, but the naming convention. Think Windows 7 which is like Vista tweaked and on steroids. It has the new name though to get away from the Vista stigma. They want to do the same thing with Zune. It's all about the name.
 
It makes no sense to kill the Zune brand. Microsoft just launched that 360 dashboard update like two or three months ago which plastered the Zune brand all over the console. They were raising awareness of it and increasing marketshare in the video download space by quite a bit.

Now they decide to kill the brand just when it's starting to gain momentum? So stupid IMO.
 
Sir Fragula said:
No not thank god, I use Zune far more than the other two!

Zune isn't hated or disliked - those who use it love it. It's just relatively unknown. Exposure through Xbox 360 is changing that, as would exposure through Windows Phone 7 would.
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I don't care what it's called. If they want to integrate DVR functionality from Media Center and syncing with third party media players from Media Player, that's fine by me.

I like the Zune software. I simply wish I didn't need to juggle media products.
 
Brettison said:
The key is this isn't about the product, but the naming convention. Think Windows 7 which is like Vista tweaked and on steroids. It has the new name though to get away from the Vista stigma. They want to do the same thing with Zune. It's all about the name.
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But the problem wasn't that Zune was disliked or unpopular in of itself - people didn't hate it because they usually didn't know about it. It needs marketing, not rebranding.
 
Sir Fragula said:
But the problem wasn't that Zune was disliked or unpopular in of itself - people didn't hate it because they usually didn't know about it. It needs marketing, not rebranding.
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I'd just rebrand it Xbox Live Music and call it a day. Makes more sense with its streaming abilities and Xbox is an established consumer brand.

Include a Gold membership with the subscription and watch the numbers climb.
 
venne said:
I'd just rebrand it Xbox Live Music and call it a day. Makes more sense with its streaming abilities and Xbox is an established consumer brand.

Include a Gold membership with the subscription and watch the numbers climb.
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That doesn't make much sense. Zune is on PCs, PMPs, phones and the Xbox. It would be like rebranding Games for Windows to Xbox Live for Windows. Wait ...
 
brotkasten said:
That doesn't make much sense. Zune is on PCs, PMPs, phones and the Xbox. It would be like rebranding Games for Windows to Xbox Live for Windows. Wait ...
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Well it is called Xbox Live on our phones. :P

I'm seriously okay with the name either way.

Like I said I'm more pissed about the carriers and the update thing along with the camera deal.
 
If some of you are wondering where the hell Asus' phones are:
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But when Microsoft launched Windows Phone 7 last fall with AT&T, Asus was conspicuously absent. Other handset vendors, including Dell, HTC, LG and Samsung supplied the first wave of Windows Phone 7 handsets instead.

Asus held back, says Benson Lin, Asus’ corporate vice president and the general manager of its mobile devices unit, because of strained resources and lingering questions about Microsoft’s then-untested software. “We came up with a first-generation product on Windows Phone 7 that we could have gone to market with,” said Lin in an interview at Mobile World Congress, a big telecom trade show. “We were ready.”

So ready, in fact, that in 2009 Asus produced 5,000 units of its Windows Phone 7 device. None were ever used, however, except by Microsoft engineers. As the 2010 Windows Phone 7 launch neared, Asus realized it “didn’t have the bandwidth” to support a new cellphone initiative and the level of carrier support it would demand, says Lin.

At the time, Asus was a relative unknown in the U.S. cellphone market though its PCs, particularly its Eee PC netbooks, were popular among Americans, explains Lin. The company was also unsure whether carriers would back Windows Phone 7 or take a wait-and-see approach. In addition, Asus was preoccupied with its joint venture with navigation software provider Garmin. That partnership, which produced a line of GPS-centric phones called nuvifone on Android’s mobile platform, ran two years before ending last December.

Confronted with these challenges, Asus postponed its Windows Phone 7 debut. “We knew we had the ability to do it but decided to look for the best timing,” says Lin. “We figured that one year later, Windows Phone 7 should be in very good shape.”

Asus is still assessing Windows Phone 7. Lin says the company hasn’t yet decided how to proceed. He intends to spend the next several days at Mobile World Congress meeting with operators and gauging their interest in an Asus Windows Phone 7 device. “The operator voice will be the key factor to think of in our Windows Phone 7 strategy,” says Lin.

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Forbes: Asus Tried Windows Phone 7 Two Years Ago, Assessing Whether To Try Again

user_nat said:
Sigh.. 3 days in a row for the alarm bug, pretty flipping annoying.
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What does that bug again? I'm using the alarm every day now and didn't have any problems so far.
 
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Th alarm goes off, but makes no noise. Once that happens nothing else will make any sound either, until a reboot.
 
golem said:
I dont see why Android and Microsoft have to insist on OTA updates... at least provide an option for DIY
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Because OEMs have to create a ROM with the new OS build first. They have to integrate all their stuff, or you would end up with a stock experience on your device (would be horrible, I know :lol).
 
Brettison said:
Can they legally do that?
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They will soon be able to when the Anti-trust constrain is lifted (I think August of this year according to Paul Thurrot).

I think the whole thing is bullshit anyway for government to essentially prohibit one company to intergrate their products because their OS was the most widely use one. While I don't disagree that many thing Microsoft did back in the late 90's was pretty agregious and bad but look at Apple domination with iTunes and able to completely intergrate that experience with all Mac devices or Google and their search and map that essentially knock out all other competition but they are all excempt from any anti-trust.

I am glad they will finally fully intergrate Zune or whatever they want to call it. I think there is probably certain that they are droping Zune name. They really should intergrate all music software on Windows it's silly that I have zune show up on my Xbox along with WMP stuff when it should be just one.

My feeling is they probably will merge it into Windows Marketplace as one stop shop for all movies, games, music and of course the app. I wouldn't be surprise we will be seeing Windows 8 with App support in 2012.

As for the keynote, I think it's great now if they can push all that out by August / September with next hardware spec so they can reach parity with the other two OS they would be in good footting. After that they can start to do things that would set WP7 apart such as better Xbox Live intergration etc.

I am sure Apple and Google will keep one up but well if Microsoft want to enter mobile space they will just have to up their game and well keep up with the market leader.
 
At this point unless it's an MS internal game or money hats, I don't blame devs giving us iOS ports. I just wish we were getting the big iOS games.

That being said I'm a castlevania whore so this has really piqued my interest! I haven't bought a single game yet either. I just mainly play flowerz and sometimes ilo as well as just the trial version of fruit ninja to 150 LOL. I wanted to buy PQ2 badly, but the technical problems hold me back.

If this runs well this could be my 1st game.

I DO wish we got some big ports from bigger pubs though. I'd like Civ Rev, Street Fighter IV, Dead Space or even some more handheld specific games like Rolando. I'd kill for Space Invaders Extreme!

I will say one downside of getting iPhone ports is most of them are older iPhone games so they are at the OG resolution. Makes the games just appear muddy as fuck. Need more redos like Angry Birds on Android that got the "HD" port.
 
Brettison said:
At this point unless it's an MS internal game or money hats, I don't blame devs giving us iOS ports. I just wish we were getting the big iOS games.

That being said I'm a castlevania whore so this has really piqued my interest! I haven't bought a single game yet either. I just mainly play flowerz and sometimes ilo as well as just the trial version of fruit ninja to 150 LOL. I wanted to buy PQ2 badly, but the technical problems hold me back.

If this runs well this could be my 1st game.

I DO wish we got some big ports from bigger pubs though. I'd like Civ Rev, Street Fighter IV, Dead Space or even some more handheld specific games like Rolando. I'd kill for Space Invaders Extreme!

I will say one downside of getting iPhone ports is most of them are older iPhone games so they are at the OG resolution. Makes the games just appear muddy as fuck. Need more redos like Angry Birds on Android that got the "HD" port.
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u weren't into ilomilo?
 
So what do you guys think about Paul Thorrot assertion that the lack of intergration between Windows product and various things is due to the fact that Microsoft is hamstring by the anti-trust settelment.

I can see in things like browser, and in the case of Windows Media but the lack of Xbox intergration can't just be all because of this anti trust thing or could it. Microsoft might be gunshine and not want to risk anymore ire from the antitrust people.
 
This is great and all but two things worries me:

1- Why no talk about the IM situation?

2- No new Hardware? not even one?
 
antiquegamer said:
So what do you guys think about Paul Thorrot assertion that the lack of intergration between Windows product and various things is due to the fact that Microsoft is hamstring by the anti-trust settelment.

I can see in things like browser, and in the case of Windows Media but the lack of Xbox intergration can't just be all because of this anti trust thing or could it. Microsoft might be gunshine and not want to risk anymore ire from the antitrust people.
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Maybe not the lack of Xbox integration, but don't forget the other services they took out, like Windows Live Mail, Messenger, Calendar. You have to download that separately and for the same reasons we won't see Microsoft Security Essentials bundled with the OS, which is insane if you ask me.

MCD said:
This is great and all but two things worries me:

1- Why no talk about the IM situation?

2- No new Hardware? not even one?
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1. It's not a developer conference. If they have announcements for socket support, we'll see it at MIX11 in April

2. No new specs, no new hardware. We should get used to the Apple cycle. One HW refresh per year. Also, the OS needs to support the different chipsets, so there's no need to put all the ridiculous hardware in the phone, if the OS can't handle it.
 
Damn, I missed the conference because of Valentine's Day, but I've watched some of the videos available on YouTube. The Internet Explorer vs. Safari comparison was great, but the important thing about this comparison is that Microsoft compares what they'll have some time in the future with what Apple is already offering. Can someone link me to the website they've shown in that video? I'd love to try that for myself to see how the website would look like on the current version of the Internet Explorer. The Multi-Tasking and Twitter integration look great, though.

I like my HD7 more than I did a few weeks ago for a couple of reasons. When I first got the device I thought that this thing has to offer an unlimited number of actually new things plus everything I already knew from my iPhone. I had higher expectations that I should have had and that's why I was constantly talking about how much Microsoft sucks. I now use my HD7 just as a smartphone and to play some games on it, and everything is working perfectly fine.

Don't get me wrong; I'm still mad at Microsoft for not realizing that there's a market outside of the US, but this will not change so there's no reason to talk about it. We've seen how Microsoft handles Xbox Live on the Xbox and I don't think it'll ever be different on the Windows Phone. The US is their market, and features will only be made available everywhere else if possible without problems. That's just how it is. I think stuff like free Podcasts not being available shows how much they not care. It's not like there's lots and lots of licensing to be done, but what's even worse is the fact that Microsoft just doesn't talk about anything. Their “Stuff takes time, deal with it” comments make me hate them a bit, though. I sometimes wonder if those people really don't know jack about any of the problems or if they just don't want to answer the questions, because it might result in less sales of their products. For example: If Microsoft just said “We'll never be able to offer service XY in country Z for reason B” no one would buy the device. Now when they say “we're always trying to....” there's still some hope even though we (people who follow the whole situation) know that nothing will happen.

Anyways; I'm looking forward to the second Update. Microsoft are idiots for comparing their future product to the already available products and I don't get why anyone would be excited for that. When the second update hits Microsoft will not be competing with February-Apple and February-Android. They'll be competing with MonthOfRelease-Apple and MonthOfRelease-Android. No one really thinks that those two will just wait for Microsoft to catch up on them... right?

Edit: About the fish video. This currently doesn't even work on Windows Phone 7 at all, but does work on an iPhone. What?
 
brotkasten said:
Maybe not the lack of Xbox integration, but don't forget the other services they took out, like Windows Live Mail, Messenger, Calendar. You have to download that separately and for the same reasons we won't see Microsoft Security Essentials bundled with the OS, which is insane if you ask me.


1. It's not a developer conference. If they have announcements for socket support, we'll see it at MIX11 in April

2. No new specs, no new hardware. We should get used to the Apple cycle. One HW refresh per year. Also, the OS needs to support the different chipsets, so there's no need to put all the ridiculous hardware in the phone, if the OS can't handle it.
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I really didn't mind so much about the lack of new hardware spec for now. I guess it would be great to see upcoming Windows Phone but looking at Android market it's one big mess really. A girl I work thinking about getting new phone, she really want smartphone and really like mine Windows Phone 7 but it's not available on her carrier (verizon) so she's looking at Android sand pretty much was confuse about all the various version 2.2, 2.1 , the Sense, non-sense UI and the honeycomb tablet etc. So she will probably end up with another iPhone customers.

Anyway, I was happy with all the stuff they show so far and would be happier if MS can push those timeframe up.
 
snap0212 said:
Don't get me wrong; I'm still mad at Microsoft for not realizing that there's a market outside of the US, but this will not change so there's no reason to talk about it. We've seen how Microsoft handles Xbox Live on the Xbox and I don't think it'll ever be different on the Windows Phone. The US is their market, and features will only be made available everywhere else if possible without problems. That's just how it is. I think stuff like free Podcasts not being available shows how much they not care. It's not like there's lots and lots of licensing to be done, but what's even worse is the fact that Microsoft just doesn't talk about anything. Their “Stuff takes time, deal with it” comments make me hate them a bit, though. I sometimes wonder if those people really don't know jack about any of the problems or if they just don't want to answer the questions, because it might result in less sales of their products. For example: If Microsoft just said “We'll never be able to offer service XY in country Z for reason B” no one would buy the device. Now when they say “we're always trying to....” there's still some hope even though we (people who follow the whole situation) know that nothing will happen.
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Nokia is big in every market except the US. There is no reason to think that Nokia would have come onboard if that wasn't changing. It would be suicide for them. That said, they are looking to leverage Nokia's existing content and carrier deals, as well as their Navteq maps to grow the Windows Phone platform. It IS coming.


snap0212 said:
Edit: About the fish video. This currently doesn't even work on Windows Phone 7 at all, but does work on an iPhone. What?
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The demo was to demonstrate the HTML5 capabilities of IE9. The existing browser doesn't support HTML5.
 
PG2G said:
Nokia is big in every market except the US. There is no reason to think that Nokia would have come onboard if that wasn't changing. It would be suicide for them. That said, they are looking to leverage Nokia's existing content and carrier deals, as well as their Navteq maps to grow the Windows Phone platform. It IS coming.
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I hope you're right. However, Microsoft can't just wait for Nokia. They have to do something by themselves now (or at least very soon). They have to at least start fixing these things.

PG2G said:
The demo was to demonstrate the HTML5 capabilities of IE9. The existing browser doesn't support HTML5.
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It's hilarious nonetheless. They not only demonstrate how the future WP7 will be superior to the iPhone 4 (or the current Safari Version), but also that the current Safari version is way better than the current Internet Explorer. The version we have to use for at least another six months.
Am I the only one who thinks that this is not that smart? I don't own an iPhone 4, but I wouldn't have thought that the IE on WP7 is even worse than Safari.
 
snap0212 said:
It's hilarious nonetheless. They not only demonstrate how the future WP7 will be superior to the iPhone 4 (or the current Safari Version), but also that the current Safari version is way better than the current Internet Explorer. The version we have to use for at least another six months.
Am I the only one who thinks that this is not that smart? I don't own an iPhone 4, but I wouldn't have thought that the IE on WP7 is even worse than Safari.
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Safari is better than IE Mobile 7 (tech from 2006, mind you) in terms of standards and that's why it's able to show the IE9 test site. But did you ever feel that the IE7 was such a POS besides the lack of flash support? I guess not. In comparison it's not better or worse than Safari (talking about speed and rendering here). IE9 adds the whole range of HTML5 support (video tag, canvas, svg) + a better JS engine, but it won't be a huge difference like IE Mobile 6 (unusable) vs IE Mobile 7 (it works). Hardware acceleration in a browser is a nice thing, but I can't think of a webpage that takes the advantage of this. But hey, my view on the web for mobile devices is unusual and strange anyway, so what do I know.

Say farewell to the possibility of a Motorola WP7 device. At least any time soon.

"I don't envision us using Microsoft. I would never say never but it's not something we're entertaining now," said Christy Wyatt, corporate vice president of software and services product management for Motorola. She spoke to the press during Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

"We're the only vendor who is 100 percent Android," she noted.

When Motorola choose to use Android, it initially said it might consider other platforms. "But there were a bunch of things that we believed about Microsoft that ended up not being true, mostly about what functionality it would have in what period of time," she said. When it turned out that Microsoft's delivery of Windows Phone, its revamped mobile OS, would be much later than Motorola expected, the company pursued Android exclusively, she said.

Motorola was also worried about using an OS like Windows Phone that is not open source. "We would like an opportunity to create unique value and we don't feel we could with a closed platform," she said. Going with Windows Phone would create a scenario where the only value Motorola could offer was commoditized hardware, she said.
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Motorola Exec: Windows Phone Was Too Late, Too Little

A bit of backstory here:
Motorola was relying on Microsoft to deliver WM7 in 2009. When MS scrapped everything for WP7 and released WM 6.5 as a stop gap, they had no other choice than pushing everything they had towards Android. It saved the mobile division thanks to the huge push on Verizon with the Droid line. Now they're another burned partner of MS.

Now that I mentioned Verizon, it looks like someone is still pissed about the KIN disaster.

Microsoft's ecosystem is a tough sell to Verizon

So they're offering one WP7 device against their whole Droid brand and the BlackBerrys and the iPhone. Geez, I wonder how it's going to sell.
 
The Windows Phone Flickr app received a nice little bump this morning to version 1.1 with a few significant updates. Not bad for only two weeks of release.
First up is Pictures Hub integration, allowing near seamless mixing of Flickr and the default, but powerful Windows Phone picture management system--basically now you can direct upload from your photo selection without launching the app. Second is the always welcomed "better performance" update. We always tend to see this after the big "1.0" push, so nice to get it here (it really needed it). Finally the less exciting but crucial to Flickr "tags" are now supported for photo uploads.
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PG2G said:
Have we ever gotten any sort of explanation for why these WP7 games are so much more expensive than the competing platforms? Is it something to due with Xbox Live? This is kind of ridiculous

http://wmpoweruser.com/despite-the-size-of-the-market-developers-can-already-make-more-money-on-wp7-than-android/

99 cents versus 2.99? 99 cents versus 4.99? Really?
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One of the reasons why I don't buy any games except the ones I really want. I bought about five games a week on iOS just because it was cheap and fun for five minutes. I've searched but couldn't find an answer. Maybe Microsoft “forces” devs to charge at least 2,99 for a Xbox Live game? I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest.
 
snap0212 said:
One of the reasons why I don't buy any games except the ones I really want. I bought about five games a week on iOS just because it was cheap and fun for five minutes. I've searched but couldn't find an answer. Maybe Microsoft “forces” devs to charge at least 2,99 for a Xbox Live game? I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest.
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Xbox Live games are "premium" apps on WP7. So no, it wouldn't suprpise me if Microsoft has a minimum price point for Xbox Live games. Still, it would be stupid of the ISV not to exploit that . I think Hypertrooper nailed it.

I'm still pissed at Namco. $4.99 for the original Pac-Man? C'mon ...
 
brotkasten said:
Xbox Live games are "premium" apps on WP7. It would be stupid of them not to exploit that. I think Hypertrooper nailed it.

I'm still pissed at Namco. $4.99 for the original Pac-Man? C'mon ...
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But is it Microsoft's or the Dev's decision to have the premium pricing? I honestly think it's Microsoft who don't want 99cent XBL games on there. There are XBL games that don't get a lot of attention even though they have Achievements. It would be the best for the developer to drop the prices to 99cents until they've climbed up to the top 10.
 
snap0212 said:
But is it Microsoft's or the Dev's decision to have the premium pricing? I honestly think it's Microsoft who don't want 99cent XBL games on there. There are XBL games that don't get a lot of attention even though they have Achievements. It would be the best for the developer to drop the prices to 99cents until they've climbed up to the top 10.
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I edited my post to make it more clear. I don't think Microsoft wants Xbox Live games to be that cheap, they consider them as premium apps. That, and the fact that WP7 is still a new platform, where ISVs have the possibility to charge those prices, because there's no competition. Look at the articles about the iPad app prices a year ago after launch and you'll know what I mean.
 
brotkasten said:
I edited my post to make it more clear. I don't think Microsoft wants Xbox Live games to be that cheap, they consider them as premium apps. That, and the fact that WP7 is still a new platform, where ISVs have the possibility to charge those prices, because there's no competition. Look at the articles about the iPad app prices a year ago after launch and you'll know what I mean.
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I can't remember where I heard this in an interview but one of the wp7 guys said they don't want there to be 99 cent games on the xbox live section. I think they wanted to set a precendent for developers where they could expect to get 1.99 or 2.99 (whatever the lowest price is for a xbox live game)

http://wmpoweruser.com/despite-the-...-already-make-more-money-on-wp7-than-android/
edit: this article paints a pretty clear picture about why games are more. Even with the lower prices devs are making as much if not more than their android counterparts.
 
PG2G said:
Have we ever gotten any sort of explanation for why these WP7 games are so much more expensive than the competing platforms? Is it something to due with Xbox Live? This is kind of ridiculous

http://wmpoweruser.com/despite-the-size-of-the-market-developers-can-already-make-more-money-on-wp7-than-android/

99 cents versus 2.99? 99 cents versus 4.99? Really?
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I think the main reason is probably lack of userbase currently. With 99 cent games you're pricing it cheaply to make it up in volume - selling hundreds of thousands/millions of copies. That's not exactly possible when the entire WP7 userbase is only like 2 million. So the games are more expensive since the developers know they'll sell less copies.

iPhone games cost that much when the App Store first launched too. I'm sure prices will go down over time unless Microsoft has some kind of rule against that.
 
brotkasten said:
Now that I mentioned Verizon, it looks like someone is still pissed about the KIN disaster.

Microsoft's ecosystem is a tough sell to Verizon

So they're offering one WP7 device against their whole Droid brand and the BlackBerrys and the iPhone. Geez, I wonder how it's going to sell.
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It seems Microsoft still hasn't learn that speed is everything in today mobile market. They have to move fast and that others will not wait for them to "catch up" or reach parity.

It seems Verizon have move on especially now that they have the iPhone and premiem Android devices. Getting Windows Phone 7 out to Verizons before Apple iPhone shoud be a no brainer but yeah, Microsoft can't seem to think that far ahead.

I am really hoping they will accelerate the Nokia hardware and 7.5 mango or whatever is sooner than "sometimes" in 2011.
 
antiquegamer said:
It seems Microsoft still hasn't learn that speed is everything in today mobile market. They have to move fast and that others will not wait for them to "catch up" or reach parity.

It seems Verizon have move on especially now that they have the iPhone and premiem Android devices. Getting Windows Phone 7 out to Verizons before Apple iPhone shoud be a no brainer but yeah, Microsoft can't seem to think that far ahead.

I am really hoping to will accelerate the Nokia hardware and 7.5 mango or whatever is sooner than "sometimes" in 2011.
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This fuck up is not entirely Microsoft's fault. Microsoft was ready, Verizon was ready. Other carriers delayed the copy/paste update with CDMA support, which was ready in January. There's even a Verizon flyer with an offer for MS employees that ended on Dec. 31. Heck, Verizon's Netflix app showed up on the marketplace. But besides that, it wouldn't have changed anything. Verizon is getting only one phone and that's the HTC 7 Trophy, the imo most boring WP7 device out there. Not exactly the best start on one of your biggest partners. At least Sprint has something exclusive and unique.
 
brotkasten said:
This fuck up is not entirely Microsoft's fault. Microsoft was ready, Verizon was ready. Other carriers delayed the copy/paste update with CDMA support, which was ready in January. There's even a Verizon flyer with an offer for MS employees that ended on Dec. 31. Heck, Verizon's Netflix app showed up on the marketplace. But besides that, it wouldn't have changed anything. Verizon is getting only one phone and that's the HTC 7 Trophy, the imo most boring WP7 device out there. Not exactly the best start on one of your biggest partners. At least Sprint has something exclusive and unique.
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Anything that happens to WP7 is on Microsoft. If something doesn't happen, it's Microsoft's fault for not making it happen, or not having the foresight ahead of time to adjust or prevent. Case in point: the huge fuck up with the Kin that is part of the reason Verizon isn't so happy with Microsoft now. Was it worth it?

Apple has taken all the steps it knew it had to take to ensure the success of its product. Microsoft's inexperience and/or incompetence is glaring. At least now they're doing something by buying out Nokia. Only time will tell if it will pay off.

Nicki Minaj knows what's up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpt8WkyW4Pc&hd=1
 
antiquegamer said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819776

Here are some more nice wallpaper including the water web one similar to the one use by Nokia.

On that note is there a way to add them to existing wallpaper folder?
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I have a wallpaper folder in my Windows 7 Pictures Library that will automatically sync with my WP7 via Zune. You could also use SkyDrive to sync the pics over the air.

Korey said:
Anything that happens to WP7 is on Microsoft. If something doesn't happen, it's Microsoft's fault for not making it happen, or not having the foresight ahead of time to adjust or prevent. Case in point: the huge fuck up with the Kin that is part of the reason Verizon isn't so happy with Microsoft now. Was it worth it?

Apple has taken all the steps it knew it had to take to ensure the success of its product. Microsoft's inexperience and/or incompetence is glaring. At least now they're doing something by buying out Nokia. Only time will tell if it will pay off.

Nicki Minaj knows what's up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpt8WkyW4Pc&hd=1
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I said it's not entirely their fault, doesn't mean they didn't fuck up.

I won't completely disagree with you (I said something similar about MS' relationship with Verizon in this and the Nokia thread), but saying MS is taking too long with the CDMA update, while the final is on their servers since January and waiting to go online ... well.
 
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