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Wow... puzzle quest 2... yeah umm... on the one hand the presentation seems great and the graphics and stuff really solid... on the other hand the performance of this game is soo :lol ... think I'll wait for a patch to actually buy...
 
antiquegamer said:
I don't know about color accuracy but I after looking at all three WP7 and iPhone (at&t), I have to say Focus SuperAMOLED screen was definitely the deciding factor.
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Yeah, the Focus easily won the eyeball test compared to iPhone 4, nexus one, and HTC phones like the surround and the evo.
 
antiquegamer said:
I don't know about color accuracy but I after looking at all three WP7 and iPhone (at&t), I have to say Focus SuperAMOLED screen was definitely the deciding factor.
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Oh it’s definitely the the most vivid screen I’ve ever seen. Everything just pops and nothing touches the contrast ratio. Display tests just encompass more things and that’s how CNET and DisplayMate rate.
 
Finally used a Windows Phone 7 the other day and came away super impressed. As an iPhone4 user, I've long found Android phones quite unappealing with their choppy, slow interface and lack of consistency. I appreciate an open platform on my PC, but for a phone, I want fast, reliable interaction that is enjoyable to use.

Win Phone 7 is just that. The interface is beautiful, well thought out, and runs at 60 fps like iPhone (very important for touch screen interaction). If the platform continues to expand I may eventually switch even! With the Super AMOLED screen on the Samsung, the interface just looked wonderful.
 
kazinova said:
Fruit Ninja runs on my Focus, no slowdown, no jittering frames, no crashing, no error on start. Not sure what's causing this for so many people.
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Based on comments from the Xbox forums, I'm thinking it might be a corrupted save file that is causing some of the games I've tried to crash on boot.... although I'm not sure how a save file is corrupted before the game is ever launched. Oh well, I guess I'll wait a bit longer for some of the apps to be updated to hopefully address the issue.
 
giga said:
I would disagree. Their amoled screens, while having excellent blacks, are often over saturated and not too accurate.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_1.htm
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giga said:
Oh it’s definitely the the most vivid screen I’ve ever seen. Everything just pops and nothing touches the contrast ratio. Display tests just encompass more things and that’s how CNET and DisplayMate rate.
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And this is why doing bullet-point tests does not always tell the tale. For any given metric a weighting must be defined, and this can be a very personal matter. Just to make things more fun the reality is most peoples' weighting actually differs depending on the device/use-case being employed.

As I'm sure many are aware, I'm one who falls into the 'videophile' category. But this isn't my home theater. This isn't even my bedroom TV or a computer. I do not need an ISF calibrated image. As a matter of fact, I actually do NOT want a wholly accurate image given my use-case. Do I watch videos on it? Sometimes. Do I view pics on it? Sometimes. What is it used most for though? Apps, web content, moving around the UI, etc. For such uses a high contrast, vivid screen is a plus even if it is at the expense of color accuracy. I want web and app colors to be blown out a bit ... I want super high contrast to make quick looks at text easily readable.

Probably the only complaint I'd agree with is the false contouring. That is quite annoying unfortunately. But overall, I much prefer this screen versus the HD7.
 
Possible release date on IM+ (multi protocol Instant messenger) rumored to be around January-Feb.

Treo360 not exactly pleased on the timeline :/

More here
 
Raistlin said:
And this is why doing bullet-point tests does not always tell the tale. For any given metric a weighting must be defined, and this can be a very personal matter. Just to make things more fun the reality is most peoples' weighting actually differs depending on the device/use-case being employed.

As I'm sure many are aware, I'm one who falls into the 'videophile' category. But this isn't my home theater. This isn't even my bedroom TV or a computer. I do not need an ISF calibrated image. As a matter of fact, I actually do NOT want a wholly accurate image given my use-case. Do I watch videos on it? Sometimes. Do I view pics on it? Sometimes. What is it used most for though? Apps, web content, moving around the UI, etc. For such uses a high contrast, vivid screen is a plus even if it is at the expense of color accuracy. I want web and app colors to be blown out a bit ... I want super high contrast to make quick looks at text easily readable.

Probably the only complaint I'd agree with is the false contouring. That is quite annoying unfortunately. But overall, I much prefer this screen versus the HD7.
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Not only that but I would rather have that extra "punch" in the image when I am viewing something in a wide variety of lighting conditions. On my phone I go from semi-lit environments to direct sunlight. (almost never am I in a completely darkened room where you would care about properly calibrated colors/contrast/brightness)

Having the extra punch in a superamoled is actually preferred imo.
 
Raistlin said:
And this is why doing bullet-point tests does not always tell the tale. For any given metric a weighting must be defined, and this can be a very personal matter. Just to make things more fun the reality is most peoples' weighting actually differs depending on the device/use-case being employed.

As I'm sure many are aware, I'm one who falls into the 'videophile' category. But this isn't my home theater. This isn't even my bedroom TV or a computer. I do not need an ISF calibrated image. As a matter of fact, I actually do NOT want a wholly accurate image given my use-case. Do I watch videos on it? Sometimes. Do I view pics on it? Sometimes. What is it used most for though? Apps, web content, moving around the UI, etc. For such uses a high contrast, vivid screen is a plus even if it is at the expense of color accuracy. I want web and app colors to be blown out a bit ... I want super high contrast to make quick looks at text easily readable.

Probably the only complaint I'd agree with is the false contouring. That is quite annoying unfortunately. But overall, I much prefer this screen versus the HD7.
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Agreed, I think it’s all relative.

For me, because I do photography and some design work on the side, color accuracy ranks pretty high up there for me. That’s not to say that I don’t value contrast ratios, viewing angles, power consumption or any other display characteristics though. Brightness I probably care about the least as battery life is far too important—even in broad daylight I’ll have it at most 50-75% brightness.
 
Treo360 said:
Possible release date on IM+ (multi protocol Instant messenger) rumored to be around January-Feb.

Treo360 not exactly pleased on the timeline :/

More here
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My guess is the the OS update will add socket support to the SDK and they need to wait for that.
 
vangace said:
Anyone else having problems with the marketplace, it's slow and crashes most of the time on my Focus.
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This happens to me sometimes. Focus here as well. It used to happen every day last week. Just once this week.
 
My alarm didn't go make a sound this morning, and the only thing I can think of is that I had my headphones plugged in. Anyone had any alarm issues with their phone?
 
Raistlin said:
Weirdly, the marketplace apps (AppAdvisor, etc) don't seem to have the same issue. :lol
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Which make the whole thing pretty mind boggling doesn't it....

MS need to roll out those update faster and quicker. After 3-4 years on mature platform, people not going to put up with this sort of thing.

On another note, I think it's the phone finder thing that reset my phone to factory state.
 
WP7 already in 30 countries
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dark10x said:
Finally used a Windows Phone 7 the other day and came away super impressed. As an iPhone4 user, I've long found Android phones quite unappealing with their choppy, slow interface and lack of consistency. I appreciate an open platform on my PC, but for a phone, I want fast, reliable interaction that is enjoyable to use.

Win Phone 7 is just that. The interface is beautiful, well thought out, and runs at 60 fps like iPhone (very important for touch screen interaction). If the platform continues to expand I may eventually switch even! With the Super AMOLED screen on the Samsung, the interface just looked wonderful.
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What android phone are you using that's not running it's os at 60fps? And what consistency that isn't completely up to the individual owner (which is it's greatest strength IMO).

Let me not make this an os war though. I agree that as far as uniformity goes, iOS and windows phone 7 are fantastic out of the box experiences. That pretty much just stay that way......forever ;P

Anyone know if there are plans for a windows phone 7 based tablet?
 
kinggroin said:
What android phone are you using that's not running it's os at 60fps? And what consistency that isn't completely up to the individual owner (which is it's greatest strength IMO).

Let me not make this an os war though. I agree that as far as uniformity goes, iOS and windows phone 7 are fantastic out of the box experiences. That pretty much just stay that way......forever ;P

Anyone know if there are plans for a windows phone 7 based tablet?
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microsoft likes to stick to its "Windows 7 is optimized for tablet usage" agenda.
yes, windows 7, not windows phone 7. that really sucks, but whatever, lets see if they'll eventually fell the need to make a tablet optimized version of the wp7 OS. id love to see it.
 
PG2G said:
I remember reading that the HTC EVO 4G (and perhaps some other HTC phones) were capped at 30 fps.
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Right. Past tense.

microsoft likes to stick to its "Windows 7 is optimized for tablet usage" agenda.
yes, windows 7, not windows phone 7. that really sucks, but whatever, lets see if they'll eventually fell the need to make a tablet optimized version of the wp7 OS. id love to see it.
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Well that stinks. I mean, there's definitely room for both. Or maybe even a completely redone tablet interface, built on the windows 7 kernel? Either way, I hope it's something Microsoft pursues. Look at what competition has done for the mobile market; imagine the same with tablets!
 
Earl Cazone said:
microsoft likes to stick to its "Windows 7 is optimized for tablet usage" agenda.
yes, windows 7, not windows phone 7. that really sucks, but whatever, lets see if they'll eventually fell the need to make a tablet optimized version of the wp7 OS. id love to see it.
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I think the only reason they say that is because they have Windows 7 tablets on the market. If they say, "Wait for the wp7 OS tablet," all those tablets are sent to die. It's like Steve Jobs saying, "get a Nano, we'll never make those tiny MP3 players," a couple of months before they released the shuffle.
 
Earl Cazone said:
microsoft likes to stick to its "Windows 7 is optimized for tablet usage" agenda.
yes, windows 7, not windows phone 7. that really sucks, but whatever, lets see if they'll eventually fell the need to make a tablet optimized version of the wp7 OS. id love to see it.
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I think they keep repeating that line so the focus isn't taken away from their phone launch, but I think they see the same potential everyone else does. The problem is that many OEMs have already committed to Win7 tablets and they don't want to subvert those launches. With them being so focused on the phone experience I'd say it be at least a couple years before we see a metro tablet.
 
Earl Cazone said:
microsoft likes to stick to its "Windows 7 is optimized for tablet usage" agenda.
yes, windows 7, not windows phone 7. that really sucks, but whatever, lets see if they'll eventually fell the need to make a tablet optimized version of the wp7 OS. id love to see it.
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It doesn't really seem like Microsoft has a clue on how to approach the tablet market. I'm sure Windows 8 will be more optimized towards touch-screen/tablets but that's a 2012 product.

Meanwhile the iPad has been out for a while and selling millions and their competitors are going to have products probably around March (RIM with the Playbook, HP with WebOS tablets, tons of Android tablets, etc). Microsoft is going to get left in the dust again by arriving to the market way too late.
 
Holy shit, disabling the Feedback data send via mobile data and disable the phone update stuff has net me alot of battery life.

I really wished that there was a way to totally disabled Feedback even after restarting the device.
 
I don't think it's a framerate issue at all.. I think it's merely an OS responsiveness difference.

There are a lot of little lags and hitches in android (even changing homescreen pages isn't completely smooth) that aren't present in iOS or WP7.

WP7 doesn't seem to slow down at all, aside from one annoying glitch with the marketplace that happens on occasion.

Thankfully for Android users, Gingerbread is a big improvement on that front.

I plan on keeping an android device and a WP 7 device.. I think I enjoy tinkering a bit too much to not keep an android around for fun.
 
bigswords said:
Holy shit, disabling the Feedback data send via mobile data and disable the phone update stuff has net me alot of battery life.

I really wished that there was a way to totally disabled Feedback even after restarting the device.
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Gonna try this! :D
 
brotkasten said:
The evo 4g was a flagship device that came out this year. How is this not relevant?
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Because the problem does not exist anymore? It was fixed long before Windows Phone 7 was released (then in September, HTC made it official).

Robobandit said:
I don't think it's a framerate issue at all.. I think it's merely an OS responsiveness difference.

There are a lot of little lags and hitches in android (even changing homescreen pages isn't completely smooth) that aren't present in iOS or WP7.

WP7 doesn't seem to slow down at all, aside from one annoying glitch with the marketplace that happens on occasion.

Thankfully for Android users, Gingerbread is a big improvement on that front.

I plan on keeping an android device and a WP 7 device.. I think I enjoy tinkering a bit too much to not keep an android around for fun.
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I can agree with that. Though I think its a result of Android being open in the first place. You CAN have a situation where your homescreen interaction is 100% fluid, but it's very much dependent on how you've got it setup (some widgets can cause lag when pulling data or because they are gfx intensive) and what hardware you're rolling with. I just think Dennis4k made it sound much worse than it is. If there's one area he should have picked on, it's the fully functional, yet choppy browser. GPU accelerate that bitch Google!

IOS and WP7 are essentially locked designs for a reason. They want every single handset to perform exactly the same, which is fantastic since hardware doesn't even need to be top of the line. A result of that is phones also looking the same with little variation (wallpapers, tile ordering, black or white theme) A good analogy would be that Android is like a sandbox game, and IOS/WP7 are on rails shooters.

For a person like me though, there's no way I can live with the locked down nature of these platforms (and yes, what little customization there is, isn't nearly enough). I want MY phone to really look and feel like MY phone.
 
numble said:
I think the only reason they say that is because they have Windows 7 tablets on the market. If they say, "Wait for the wp7 OS tablet," all those tablets are sent to die. It's like Steve Jobs saying, "get a Nano, we'll never make those tiny MP3 players," a couple of months before they released the shuffle.
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It's slightly more complicated than that. Microsoft has no qualms with pre-announcing new products that leave their partners hanging: The Zune killed PlaysForSure, WP7 was leaked over a year before it launched and now Microsoft is about to announce that Windows will be on non-Intel notebooks two years down the line. Furthermore, if Microsoft and their partners were honest with themselves, it should be obvious that the Windows tablets are already DOA. HP was surprised that the Slate sold more than the few thousand initially manufactured, meanwhile Samsung was producing and selling over a million of the Tab.

A WP7 tablet might be cool in theory but in reality the software isn't ready and the hardware most likely isn't there either. WP7 might scale well but you can't even hack it to enable multitasking like the iPad at launch :/. Unless Balmer stands on stage holding a 7" 4:3 tablet with a SAMOLED Retina display then I won't be interested in WP7 tablets until I see the reviews. I've tried too many half-done tablets already.
 
Listen to recent Windows News podcast they touch slightly on the subject and I have to incline agree with their assesement is that essentially the two division (that earn the most $ for Microsoft - Windows and Office) have control about what get green-lit and what doesn't.
 
kinggroin said:
For a person like me though, there's no way I can live with the locked down nature of these platforms (and yes, what little customization there is, isn't nearly enough). I want MY phone to really look and feel like MY phone.
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My wife's Focus looks more like her phone than anyone else's phone (iPhone, Android, or Blackberry) I've seen. Seeing her friends/family pictures on the contacts tile, her picture on the me tile, her avatar on the Live tile, and her photos on the photo tile make it feel like her phone.

Perhaps our friends are just lazy, but WP7 feels extremely personalized in comparison. No one is going to pick up her phone and think it could be theirs. I can't say the same for our friends' Droids, iPhones, and Blackberries I've tooled around with.
 
So, I'm having some serious issues with my Samsung Focus in the last day. I brought it home to a no service area, but we have wireless and I still have been taking pictures. I noticed after I took a picture last night that it then acted like the lens was blocked or something, because the screen was black--couldn't take anymore pictures. I really thought nothing of it and put it back on the charger for the night.

Today, I use it when I'm in town (where we have service), so I'm looking things up on IE, checking texts, etc. After a moment, I notice that my People live tile is flashing blank tiles. I scroll down and my Pictures tile is blank and several apps (like Yelp and Youtube) aren't displaying their tile, and accessing them just brings up a black screen.

I powered it on and off, and then it acted like I had NO contacts and no pictures. Rebooted it again, and everything seemed fine--contacts and pictures show up. However, just a few minutes after, they disappear again. Some albums play on Zune, but most give me an error, telling me to re-sign into Windows Live.

I thought maybe my extremely low battery charge may have, in some way, had something to do with it, but it's fully charged. I have never opened or modified it, either (got a Micro SD but haven't installed it). I did drop it from hip level onto gravel a few days ago, but it was fine after that and it wasn't really a hard fall.

Any ideas, other than to wipe it and lose everything? Thanks guys.
 
Finally had a chance to play around with the HTC HD7 and the Focus...pretty impressive OS; however, why can they get a hardware that's comparable to the iPhone4 - feature-wise?
 
Mr. Snrub said:
So, I'm having some serious issues with my Samsung Focus in the last day. I brought it home to a no service area, but we have wireless and I still have been taking pictures. I noticed after I took a picture last night that it then acted like the lens was blocked or something, because the screen was black--couldn't take anymore pictures. I really thought nothing of it and put it back on the charger for the night.

Today, I use it when I'm in town (where we have service), so I'm looking things up on IE, checking texts, etc. After a moment, I notice that my People live tile is flashing blank tiles. I scroll down and my Pictures tile is blank and several apps (like Yelp and Youtube) aren't displaying their tile, and accessing them just brings up a black screen.

I powered it on and off, and then it acted like I had NO contacts and no pictures. Rebooted it again, and everything seemed fine--contacts and pictures show up. However, just a few minutes after, they disappear again. Some albums play on Zune, but most give me an error, telling me to re-sign into Windows Live.

I thought maybe my extremely low battery charge may have, in some way, had something to do with it, but it's fully charged. I have never opened or modified it, either (got a Micro SD but haven't installed it). I did drop it from hip level onto gravel a few days ago, but it was fine after that and it wasn't really a hard fall.

Any ideas, other than to wipe it and lose everything? Thanks guys.
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Obviously you thought wrong. Unless it was having problems prior to the drop. You have insurance, just in case you have to return it and they deny rma replacement due to damage? Is there any visible?
 
Piper Az said:
Finally had a chance to play around with the HTC HD7 and the Focus...pretty impressive OS; however, why can they get a hardware that's comparable to the iPhone4 - feature-wise?
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I think the hardware is very comparable to iPhone as far as features ... design and construction on the other hand is far from iPhone level.

It's the OS that really need more refinement. The UI is great but there are many little quirks that need to be fix and changes and until then the adoption rate will be slow.
 
My Omnia 7 is bust.

I switched out a sim card, something seemed like it got caught and now it no longer recognises sim card!

Brilliant...

I bought the phone from eBay so I'm hoping it's still covered under warranty. I've registered with Samsung and registered the phone, I've put in a service request and I'll see what happens. There's a 2 year warranty typically, hopefully they'll help. If they tell me to go through the phone provider (i.e. T-Mobile) then I'm fucked.

Merry Christmas, here's to robust £400 hardware...
 
Dazzla said:
My Omnia 7 is bust.

I switched out a sim card, something seemed like it got caught and now it no longer recognises sim card!

Brilliant...

I bought the phone from eBay so I'm hoping it's still covered under warranty. I've registered with Samsung and registered the phone, I've put in a service request and I'll see what happens. There's a 2 year warranty typically, hopefully they'll help. If they tell me to go through the phone provider (i.e. T-Mobile) then I'm fucked.

Merry Christmas, here's to robust £400 hardware...
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Does it say "Invalid SIM" or something?
 
Piper Az said:
Finally had a chance to play around with the HTC HD7 and the Focus...pretty impressive OS; however, why can they get a hardware that's comparable to the iPhone4 - feature-wise?
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What hardware features do you mean?
 
Dazzla said:
It says sim error, no sim inserted.
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Interesting. When I turned my Optimus 7 on this morning, my phone tile said "Invalid SIM". Tried few other SIMs and it's the same. Worst part: My SIM cards don't work in my Touch Diamond anymore. It seems the Optimus is killing the cards. The night before I only turned off the 'send feedback' feature and that's it.

But hey, all we have to do now is to remove the phone tile and we have a Zune HD2. Isn't that awesome? :lol
 
Wow, that's crazy. Is that a widespread issue on Google? Some nasty bugs our there, MS needs to put out patches much more often than waiting for a bunch and then releasing it.
 
Piper Az said:
For example - a camera facing you so that you could do video calls.
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I. Not being an apologist but my phones for the past ten years have done this and I've never used it more than twice. Its shit and impractical....
 
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