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$599.99 and supposedly it's the 8GB? Fuck Rogers. Dell.com sells the AWS version for $450 / $500.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/02/09/rogers-dell-venue-pro-upcoming-price-plans-windows-phone-7/

Hope Dell.ca sells it cheaper =/
 
What a disaster this first update news has been brewing.

Granted I hope when the update releases, it doesn't cause random phones to brick.
 
The only thing that would make sense at this point is if they merged the first 2 updates (there was supposed to be this copy/paste/bug fixes update and the cdma one). Of course they need to tell people what the hell is going on regardless..... this secrecy is hurting their public image badly. They were there on launch day saying updates would happen "soon", then we were supposed to get it in January. If it was never supposed to come out until march they should have said so from day 1 and not let people make up all kinds of rumors.
 
jagowar said:
The only thing that would make sense at this point is if they merged the first 2 updates (there was supposed to be this copy/paste/bug fixes update and the cdma one).
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This one does include the CDMA apparently.
 
They'd better be announcing their concrete update plans at MWC... if They don't, that moto atrix is going to look better and better until MS patches WP7.
 
jagowar said:
The only thing that would make sense at this point is if they merged the first 2 updates (there was supposed to be this copy/paste/bug fixes update and the cdma one). Of course they need to tell people what the hell is going on regardless..... this secrecy is hurting their public image badly. They were there on launch day saying updates would happen "soon", then we were supposed to get it in January. If it was never supposed to come out until march they should have said so from day 1 and not let people make up all kinds of rumors.
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Communication has been horrible with the status of these updates. Fear over carriers blocking them is also on my mind with them too. This is exactly what MS just had to avoid. Make some small update, and the community and general enthusiast media would have WP7 in the news. They failed completely on this, and then failed to communicate just what is going on.

What worries me is stories out there saying the camera settings always returning to default is a FEATURE, and that it won't be address in the updates. Really? REALLY?
 
jagowar said:
The only thing that would make sense at this point is if they merged the first 2 updates (there was supposed to be this copy/paste/bug fixes update and the cdma one). Of course they need to tell people what the hell is going on regardless..... this secrecy is hurting their public image badly. They were there on launch day saying updates would happen "soon", then we were supposed to get it in January. If it was never supposed to come out until march they should have said so from day 1 and not let people make up all kinds of rumors.
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They never wanted to release the update in March. From what I've heart it was supposed to come out in (early) January (hence the 'very soon' from Belfiore in December). By the time CES started, the update was already delayed and internally stated for (early) February and they stopped mentioning any time frame since then (except for "Q1 2011" or "early 2011", but no 'soon'). Delays are normal and they happen. Especially at Microsoft. They know this very well and try not to promise anything. March 8 is the first concrete date we ever had for this update and even this won't be confirmed until next week (if Neowin is right on this ofc *cough*).

/full MS defense force mode

However, all this doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation. Just because I haven't encountered the marketplace bug in two weeks, it doesn't mean it works for others. Dell's latest fuck up with the Venue Pro doesn't help either (they shipped some phones with corrupted MicroSD cards). The whole situation is pretty annoying and while I'm still happy, it would be very nice if Microsoft would do something about the customers, that are rightfully bitching.

I mean, wtf is this shit?

Update: Bill J. wrote Zune support about this update and was told it was unrelated to any pending Windows Phone update. In their words: “It’s a small bug that affects only certain customers – very little was actually changed, and it has to do with Windows Phone device driver level stuff.” Ah well.
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Do I really have to read Paul Thurrot's blog to get a change log for the latest Zune software client update?
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...first-windows-phone-update-imminent/#comments

I wish more blogs would bitch about this and force some statements.
 
brotkasten said:
They never wanted to release the update in March. From what I've heart it was supposed to come out in (early) January (hence the 'very soon' from Belfiore in December). By the time CES started, the update was already delayed and internally stated for (early) February and they stopped mentioning any time frame since then (except for "Q1 2011" or "early 2011", but no 'soon'). Delays are normal and they happen. Especially at Microsoft. They know this very well and try not to promise anything. March 8 is the first concrete date we ever had for this update and even this won't be confirmed until next week (if Neowin is right on this ofc *cough*).

/full MS defense force mode

However, all this doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation. Just because I haven't encountered the marketplace bug in two weeks, it doesn't mean it works for others. Dell's latest fuck up with the Venue Pro doesn't help either (they shipped some phones with corrupted MicroSD cards). The whole situation is pretty annoying and while I'm still happy, it would be very nice if Microsoft would do something about the customers, that are rightfully bitching.

I mean, wtf is this shit?


Do I really have to read Paul Thurrot's blog to get a change log for the latest Zune software client update?
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011...first-windows-phone-update-imminent/#comments

I wish more blogs would bitch about this and force some statements.
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Like I said you could always read the official zune support twitter feed where they'll give you the run around and winky faces.

The bigger issue here is while it IS normal for delays, and this sort of thing is common place especially at MS. When you're one of the last players in the game this is the exact sort of thing waiting doesn't afford you to do!
 
Seriously, MS really drops the ball on this sort of shit

  • No way to search the Marketplace on the phone
  • Using search on AppAdvisor yields nothing - it probably isn't in the db yet
  • Can't find a tag read link for it anywhere. Not at Amazon's page for it, not at MS.
  • Isn't listed as a featured download. Really?


So let me get this straight. The only possible way to get it is via Zune? Yeah, good thinking MS. People have that installed on every computer ... particularly work computers.


FIX

THIS

SHIT
 
Raistlin said:
Seriously, MS really drops the ball on this sort of shit

  • No way to search the Marketplace on the phone
  • Using search on AppAdvisor yields nothing - it probably isn't in the db yet
  • Can't find a tag read link for it anywhere. Not at Amazon's page for it, not at MS.
  • Isn't listed as a featured download. Really?


So let me get this straight. The only possible way to get it is via Zune? Yeah, good thinking MS. People have that installed on every computer ... particularly work computers.


FIX

THIS

SHIT
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Oh God, what did I do! This only happened, because I still didn't finish the (bi-)weekly app post! D:

Seriously, I'm doing an app post for the App thread right now (which includes the Amazon app) and the posts take some time to do (prob. an hour), but your situation is clearly an emergency and needs to be addressed right away. :P

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The Amazon Shopping Application for Windows Phone 7 allows you to quickly search, shop, compare prices, read reviews, and make purchases on Amazon.com using a simple, intuitive interface. Amazon customers have full access to their existing cart, wish lists, payment and shipping options, order history, 1-Click (R) settings, and Prime membership benefits. All purchases made on the Amazon App are routed through Amazon’s secure servers just as they are on the web. All prices are in US Dollars.
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Zune Marketplace: Amazon application for Windows Phone 7

edit: btw, AppTracker > AppAdvisor
 
I found it on the phone by searching for Amazon.com, which is the app's actual name. Silly that it doesn't show up with Amazon though.

That said, Amazon does very nice WP7 apps. Both Amazon.com and Kindle are great.
 
It DOES show up when you search for just Amazon, that's how I found it. You just have to give it time to populate properly. Raistlin just got a little impatient there.
 
PG2G said:
I found it on the phone by searching for Amazon.com, which is the app's actual name. Silly that it doesn't show up with Amazon though.

That said, Amazon does very nice WP7 apps. Both Amazon.com and Kindle are great.
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I ran into similar trouble with the Flickr app. It wouldn't show up at first when searching for "Flickr" because it is actually named Flickr(r) where the (r) is the "registered trademark" symbol. Hopefully the marketplace search fix in the coming update will address this issue as well
 
PG2G said:
That said, Amazon does very nice WP7 apps. Both Amazon.com and Kindle are great.
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Unfortunately, it looks like the Amazon app is only available for the US (or not for Canada at least). I can get to the app page but there is no option to install it yet. The Kindle app works fine in Canada, and many items can be ordered from Amazon.com with a Canadian address so I hope they enable it at some point.
 
VanMardigan said:
It DOES show up when you search for just Amazon, that's how I found it. You just have to give it time to populate properly. Raistlin just got a little impatient there.
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Searching with what? In the marketplace, Amazon brings up about a million songs.

I did find it via PG2G's advice (amazon.com). Thanks PG2G!




As for being impatient, not really. The complaint has been there by plenty of people since day one. The marketplace sucks to search, and MS does not enforce usage of tag reader codes by app makers.
 
Raistlin said:
Searching with what? In the marketplace, Amazon brings up about a million songs.

I did find it via PG2G's advice (amazon.com). Thanks PG2G!
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It shows up on the phone using the default marketplace app. You missed it, plain and simple. I'm not defending the dumb ass mixed search, but the app show up by just typing Amazon on the default market app search box and waiting for all the results to load. That's where the impatient comment came from.
 
VanMardigan said:
It shows up on the phone using the default marketplace app. You missed it, plain and simple. I'm not defending the dumb ass mixed search, but the app show up by just typing Amazon on the default market app search box and waiting for all the results to load. That's where the impatient comment came from.
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I don't think it was his fault entirely, the search is pretty craptastic on the phone. I was looking for something the other day and it wouldn't show up. (and it was older app, did the search using Marketplace Search App (as you or other recommended to do) and poof there it was.

Anyway if you are having the crashing problem give Marketplace Search a look. It works pretty good and very nice UI also. I have been less frustrate (though not less annoy) about having marketplace constantly crashing on my Focus. If you don't find the idea of having to use 3rd party app to search on Microsoft own marketplace somewhat absurd.

Amazon app looks great and I have to say Metro UI is just wonderful for browsing and search and reading news. It's way better than iOS and man if we can get tablet version it would be awesome.

There is also app for Machinima.com and it's pretty slick also. (though a bit laggy).

Sorry, I don't know how to do cool link like Brotkasten.
 
VanMardigan said:
It shows up on the phone using the default marketplace app. You missed it, plain and simple. I'm not defending the dumb ass mixed search, but the app show up by just typing Amazon on the default market app search box and waiting for all the results to load. That's where the impatient comment came from.
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I just tried this, I had to scroll down forever. It might as well not be there. You expect the most relevant search results near the top,
 
PG2G said:
I just tried this, I had to scroll down forever. It might as well not be there. You expect the most relevant search results near the top,
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Right, so you confirmed that what I said was true. There were two factually incorrect statements made in his rant: that it did not show up in the default search when he typed Amazon, and that it was only accessible via Zune software.

We can turn this into a "how shitty marketplace search is" debate, but you'll be preaching to the choir, since I am not defending it, just pointing out false info.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Brotkasten,
Might end up just using your app updates in the App OP thread, since they're so well done. Do you mind?
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I just finished the post for today. Grab whatever you want.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25878566&postcount=73


edit:
But make sure to mention this one at the beginning of your post, because I totally forgot to mention the Tag reader. :lol

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The Microsoft Tag mobile tagging system instantly connects you to more information and entertainment without typing long URL’s or texting shortcodes. Simply scan the Tag with your mobile phone, and Microsoft Tag takes you there.
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Trial: No
Price: Free
Zune Marketplace: Microsoft Tag Reader
 
thirty said:
I emailed the developers behind TuneInRadio app and they confirmed a WP7 app is on its way "soon" Woohoo!
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Sorry, but I'm not familiar with TuneInRadio. Can you explain it a bit?

Ha, I knew it! Ms Foley has some info on the delay.

Some are blaming the carriers for the delay. Others are pointing fingers at handset makers requiring last-minute changes that require Microsoft to provide new ROMs (which one source said the Redmondians are planning to deliver to partners in mid-February). All this is even more maddening, given I’ve heard from one of my contacts that Microsoft actually put the finishing touches on NoDo before the end of calendar 2010.
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Microsoft 'NoDo' Windows Phone 7 update to be a no-show until early March

Can't wait to read Thurrot's rant about this crap.

Meanwhile on Facebook:

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I don't want to read about the update... I want the update on my phone to fix annoying bugs. Had the marketplace crash bug again today... sigh UGH....
 
brotkasten said:
I just finished the post for today. Grab whatever you want.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25878566&postcount=73
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Thanks again for always awesome app news. I need to give that g-alarm a try.

I think I am past anger and in acceptance stage. The update will show up when it show. I am stuck with the phone contractually for the this year anyway until my other phones up for new contract in early 2012 I will use it until something better come along if WP7 doesn't get better by then.

I can understand all the problem MS must face (something that Google still hasn't been able to solve, dealing with carrier and myriad of handset makers). I think part of the all the hush hush is probably have to do with the fact that the carriers actually do control the update of the phone. Something MS during development said was not going to be the case but change their tune just right before the phone launch.

Let hope something exciting at Noka conference.
 
Brettison said:
I don't want to read about the update... I want the update on my phone to fix annoying bugs. Had the marketplace crash bug again today... sigh UGH....
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I hear ya, though if we get an actual date at MWC, that'll be a lot better than going from rumor to rumor. It's tiring to get your hopes up and then have it dashed. If we have a date, I can just ignore the other stuff and wait. And of course more details on the bug fixes would be nice. I honestly feel like they don't think the camera reset thing is not an issue, it's intended that way. I've sent of messages and tweets trying to get an answer to that, but no response.

I'm like antiquegamer, I'm past the anger into acceptance. I do have a Nexus One as a fallback, but I just love this phone, plus the N1 has it's own update issues right now. I'll stick it out with WP7 for now, I'm tired of jumping from platform to platform every time something I don't like comes up.

edit: BTW, the camera issue is made worse by the fact that the Focus has such a great camera. I've been messing around with all the settings and taking macro shots, and it takes some phenomenal shots when you set it up just right.
 
Ok, got my Focus in the mail today. I'm pretty pleased with it being so streamlined and am really happy with the phone. Couple of questions about things that weren't sorted out when I was following this thread 60 pages ago:

Did custom ringtones ever make it over?
And does the phone support right to left languages yet?

Edit: Also what ever happened to the SD card issue?
 
Codeblue said:
Ok, got my Focus in the mail today. I'm pretty pleased with it being so streamlined and am really happy with the phone. Couple of questions about things that weren't sorted out when I was following this thread 60 pages ago:

Did custom ringtones ever make it over?
And does the phone support right to left languages yet?

Edit: Also what ever happened to the SD card issue?
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No custom ringtone, not sure about the languages thing since I dont' know what that is you are asking.

SDcard, well not officially but there are list of card that seems to be working. Concensus seems to be the smaller 8 or 16 gb seems to be more stable than the 32gb.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834144

Here is a list on xda, I have class 2 16gb in mine that used to work great but it seems people are reporting after 3-4 weeks the phone do random reboot. Mine used to that frequently until I reseat it, now it reboot once in the last 2 weeks. It doesn't bother me enought for me to swap it out.

Some people seems to think the problem is the way Focus is set up but no one know for sure. My feeling is we see same problem on phone that use SD card beside Focus such as the Dell and HD7, so I am thinking it has to do with the way WP7 reading memory from SD card and if it doesn't meet certain criteria the phone tend to crash. But this is just me speculating and talking out of my ass.

I would go with 8gb if you can live with 16gb phone (which I think is pretty good size). I have 16gb card which give me 22gb and I still have over 8 gb or so left and that with me not deleting the video that I already watch.
 
yes, ovi maps
LONDON – Feb. 11, 2011 – Nokia and Microsoft today announced plans to form a broad strategic partnership that would use their complementary strengths and expertise to create a new global mobile ecosystem.

Nokia and Microsoft intend to jointly create market-leading mobile products and services designed to offer consumers, operators and developers unrivalled choice and opportunity. As each company would focus on its core competencies, the partnership would create the opportunity for rapid time to market execution. Additionally, Nokia and Microsoft plan to work together to integrate key assets and create completely new service offerings, while extending established products and services to new markets.

Under the proposed partnership:

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Nokia would adopt Windows Phone as its principal smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.
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Nokia would help drive the future of Windows Phone. Nokia would contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.
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Nokia and Microsoft would closely collaborate on joint marketing initiatives and a shared development roadmap to align on the future evolution of mobile products.
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Bing would power Nokia’s search services across Nokia devices and services, giving customers access to Bing’s next generation search capabilities. Microsoft adCenter would provide search advertising services on Nokia’s line of devices and services.
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Nokia Maps would be a core part of Microsoft’s mapping services. For example, Maps would be integrated with Microsoft’s Bing search engine and adCenter advertising platform to form a unique local search and advertising experience
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Nokia’s extensive operator billing agreements would make it easier for consumers to purchase Nokia Windows Phone services in countries where credit-card use is low.
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Microsoft development tools would be used to create applications to run on Nokia Windows Phones, allowing developers to easily leverage the ecosystem’s global reach.
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Nokia’s content and application store would be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience.
“Today, developers, operators and consumers want compelling mobile products, which include not only the device, but the software, services, applications and customer support that make a great experience,” Stephen Elop, Nokia President and CEO, said at a joint news conference in London. “Nokia and Microsoft will combine our strengths to deliver an ecosystem with unrivalled global reach and scale. It’s now a three-horse race.”

“I am excited about this partnership with Nokia,” said Steven A. Ballmer, Microsoft CEO. “Ecosystems thrive when fueled by speed, innovation and scale.The partnership announced today provides incredible scale, vast expertise in hardware and software innovation and a proven ability to execute.”
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I'll just copy what I said in the other thread. I think Windows Phone 7 has just found it's HTC like Google did for Android.

I think the Nokia-Microsoft collaboration here could save (well more save Nokia and help kick WP7 on) both platforms and I'm glad about that. I used to love Nokia phones (still kinda miss my N82) and they still make great hardware, and now with great software they can go back to having great all-round phones.
 
Excite. +1

This will only delay my WP7 phone purchase longer although I doubt Nokia will make a phone for CDMA networks.
 
antiquegamer said:
That is great news, let see if they can make an eagle.

Anyway, what is Nokia map and should I be excited?
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It's going to give WP7 free turn by turn navigation. If it's anything like the ovi maps on symbian you'll be able to download the maps, no data connection required to navigate.
 
claviertekky said:
Bing already has that on the WM6.5 platform though.

Turn by turn navigation was always in the planning for WP7 before that announcement.
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Turn-by-Turn on Bing for Windows Mobile is just another US-only feature.
 
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