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Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
If I wasn't had by the balls in contract and it wasn't gonna cost me so much to get an iPhone I'd bail with the iPhone 5.
Man, Paul Thurott is pissed. Rightfully so, I guess.
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/03/09/still-no-update/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/03/09/still-no-update/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
You should have done that originally then, IMO.Brettison said:
I chose WP7 over an iPhone, Android or BB device based on what it does now, not on some hope that it would be worth it eventually. If and when the updates come I will (hopefully) be even happier with the additional functionality, but right now I really do not care enough to get worked up over it.
Robobandit
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ElNino said:
This is the position that I am in as well..
I was tired of Android.. and had no interest in going back to iPhone.. I love my Samsung Focus.. I'm just wishing that the bugs that I've been encountering (albeit infrequently) since November would have been fixed by now.
Copy and Paste isn't a big deal, I've gotten used to the app performance.. but stupid bugs like the marketplace crashing are keeping me from just browsing the marketplace looking for cool apps.
As it is now, I don't install any apps that weren't recommended somewhere because then I have something to search for instead of having to browse..
I'm more frustrated that coordinating an update seems to be so difficult for Microsoft.. and that they think 2 updates per year is adequate.. I'd be ok with 2 feature updates per year, but in the meantime I want bug fixes for the annoying little shit that hurts the WP7 experience for me as a user.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
It doesn't do what it says it does now because it's buggy as a mother fucker. I'm not talking about added features. I get all kinds of random fucking issues though like neither weather app updates the live tile for me, TWC app crashes all the time, the marketplace always crashes, apps are slow, the actual fb app sort of updates, the camera settings not saving sucks etc....ElNino said:
None of this is added functionality, and I don't see how I would have known this shit before hand.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I'm in the extremely fortunate position of having bought my Focus off contract, having a nexus one with gingerbread as my "backup" phone, and (more importantly) having given last years phone upgrade to my wife. Her update, which is now mine, is due in June, which means I can upgrade to the new iPhone 5 for free after selling either this phone or the n1.Brettison said:
I actually haven't decided what to do yet, despite this update fiasco. I still love Zune and Xbox, but this platform won't be complete in my mind until mango, and now I just don't know when or even if this phone will get that update. There just isn't a perfect platform out there anyway, so I guess a lot will depend on what iPhone 5 will be, and what we will know about mango in June.
PflargBlarg
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ElNino said:
Agreed. Buying a phone based on future hopes doesn't sound like the best idea to me. I've had an HD7 for about a week now and it's fine for me. I still look forward to updates of course but it's not like I'm going to bail out because updates are late or anything.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
You had your phone for a week so I don't think your one to put in input on this like most of us that have been posting since launch.Wormdundee said:
Seriously when you get something like the alarm bug then you'll understand why some are pulling their hair out.
brotkasten
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snap0212 said:
Dude, they said it once and after it was clear it would be delayed, they never talked about it again.
118 days? Holy shit, not bad, not bad.
It's amazing, when you think about it. The update was finished in late December and it's still not officially available. Maybe it was a little native to believe in the vague, official release time frame we got at MWC. I have the feeling that they just don't get it. Again.
But hey, at least Exchange works, so it's not a downgrade at work.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
As long as your alarm actually goes off when it should so you can get to work! Amirite!brotkasten said:
antiquegamer
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It's not that we buy phone base on future update but we bought the phone because Microsoft promise there would be meaningful and compelling (their words not mine) update "coming soon". (Who would have thought Microsoft definition of soon meant 4+ months).
I can do without cut and paste but what I want is bug fix, stop the random crash, fix all the annoying little things about the phone UI (which of course we wouldn't be getting this update but I though we would be getting the first update in Jan and other bug fix to follow).
What really worry me, is how right Paul Thurrot is. He said there would be not be first update until March and possibly later March and early April a few months back. Now he predicting Mango to be 2012 and I think he is right. Microsoft still at lost on how to compete in today mobile market.
Anyway, I am long past angry and move on to acceptance. The platform is a failure and Microsoft still continue to fumbling around while padding themself in the back because they have phone that as good as iPhone and Android at (their) launch.
If the bi-yearly update is a confirm thing, then yeah their new mobile platform is as good as dead.
I have phone upgrade coming up in a year, my regrert is I should have wait and not upgrade my kids phone last year then I would have two more upgrade available this year.
I will probably go back to iPhone 5 (*sigh*) since everyone else in my family is using it and I can use facetime if Microsoft stay on this present course.
And yeah, there is no comparison the speed in which Apple move to upgrade their OS or how fast Google pump out the next Androids phone.
I can do without cut and paste but what I want is bug fix, stop the random crash, fix all the annoying little things about the phone UI (which of course we wouldn't be getting this update but I though we would be getting the first update in Jan and other bug fix to follow).
What really worry me, is how right Paul Thurrot is. He said there would be not be first update until March and possibly later March and early April a few months back. Now he predicting Mango to be 2012 and I think he is right. Microsoft still at lost on how to compete in today mobile market.
Anyway, I am long past angry and move on to acceptance. The platform is a failure and Microsoft still continue to fumbling around while padding themself in the back because they have phone that as good as iPhone and Android at (their) launch.
If the bi-yearly update is a confirm thing, then yeah their new mobile platform is as good as dead.
I have phone upgrade coming up in a year, my regrert is I should have wait and not upgrade my kids phone last year then I would have two more upgrade available this year.
I will probably go back to iPhone 5 (*sigh*) since everyone else in my family is using it and I can use facetime if Microsoft stay on this present course.
And yeah, there is no comparison the speed in which Apple move to upgrade their OS or how fast Google pump out the next Androids phone.
If my phone was that buggy I might feel like you, but it isn't.Brettison said:
The Weather Channel updates the live tile on my Focus fairly regularly, but I open the app to check if I want to make sure it is (mostly) accurate. I have also never had the app (TWC) crash on me, and I check several times every day. The only issue I have with TWC is if I am in a very poor connection area, it is slow to update.
Yes, I have had the Marketplace crash on me, but I'm not in it enough to classify it as "always". Typically I know of an app I want to get based on reading about it somewhere else, so I open the Marketplace, find the app and download it. I have never had it crash doing that, only when I am browsing around randomly for a while, which is seldom as I have more than enough apps installed to keep me busy.
The camera settings are annoying yes, but I do not use my phone to take "real" pictures, so it isn't that important to me. The video recording is actually surprisingly good for me though, enough so that I haven't used my camcorder since getting the phone.
As for FB, I'm not sure what you mean there. I usually check my feed using the People hub and it updates fine as far as I can tell. If I want to check other notifications (birthdays, photo albums, etc) I can use the app and it has worked fine for so far.
The only issues I have had with my Focus that have actually bothered me, was some of the games that had bugs which caused them to crash when booting (Rocket Riot and Fruit Ninja for me). Both now work fine for me though, and I am very pleased with the performance overall.
brotkasten
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Hey, that's out of context! At least include the spoiler. ;(snap0212 said:I'm just trying to have some fun here! :/
The creative guys laughed when I told them about it. And they stopped when I mentioned that one morning when some of them were late, because of a certain daylight saving bug. Then again, I laughed at them back then, so I guess I deserve it. Karma's a bitch.Brettison said:
Do you have a microSD card installed? I tried a microSD based on what Paul Thurrot said had worked in his phone since launch without problems. After a week,after running fine with 14 GB of data stored, it started hanging up while syncing with Zune, and would randomly turn off. I took the microSD out and it has done fine since.Brettison said:
As others have said, I like the UI and am happy with the Focus so far. I do not text a lot. I look at news, email, and weather on the phone.
I have had Weather Bug installed since January 15th. It has not crashed one time. It updates every hour. The marketplace did crash two times while installing third party apps. It usually does fine with updates to the apps via the 3G network.
I realize your experience is completely separate from mine. Perhaps go by the AT&T store and trade it out? Try a new one and see if the problems persist. Or if you have insurance, say yours got stolen, buy an AT&T Go Phone for $16 to use for a few days (since they will turn off your original sim card), and try a new device.
A friend has the LG Quantum, she text's a lot and loves the keyboard. No problems with her phone for the last 2 months.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The thing about the camera app is that it didn't bug me until I discovered just how great the Focus camera really is. This thing is seriously iPhone 4-level good once you toggle on WDR, anti shake, etc. And macro shots are also really impressive. I think I'll link some pics I've taken with my phone that show how great the camera can be when I get home. I know a lot of reviews did say the camera was good, but its still an underrated part when compared to the screen and weight, which is what most reviews mention.
Vanillalite
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On a similar note does everyone's flixster live title update all the time? I swear mine was stuck on a crappy picture of Natalie Portman for like FOREVER, and then she went away and I just have the stock logo.
brotkasten
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I only used Flixster for a short time. Remember when someone in this thread had a really, really cool Tron 2.0 "theme"? He used Flixster for one of the Tron themed tiles, but mine never, ever updated. So I deleted the app.Brettison said:
edit:
At least some developers are happy about WP7.
Fruit Ninja Over 7 Times More Revenue on Windows Phone Compared To Android
edit: Well, that's embarrassing. Turns out the numbers were wrong.
jonnybryce
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brotkasten said:I only used Flixster for a short time. Remember when someone in this thread had a really, really cool Tron 2.0 "theme"? He used Flixster for one of the Tron themed tiles, but mine never, ever updated. So I deleted the app.
edit:
At least some developers are happy about WP7.
Fruit Ninja Over 7 Times More Revenue on Windows Phone Compared To Android
That's odd, Fruit Ninja's market page says:
INSTALLS:
100,000 - 500,000
I'm surprised they've only made $20,000? That's a HUGE amount of refunds, if refunds are even counted in that number. Weird.
Vanillalite
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brotkasten said:I only used Flixster for a short time. Remember when someone in this thread had a really, really cool Tron 2.0 "theme"? He used Flixster for one of the Tron themed tiles, but mine never, ever updated. So I deleted the app.
LOL@the
I swear Brotkasten we must have like phones that are brothers as half of our stuff is always acting up where as other people have phones that work just fine. LOL
Red headed step children I swear.
brotkasten said:I only used Flixster for a short time. Remember when someone in this thread had a really, really cool Tron 2.0 "theme"? He used Flixster for one of the Tron themed tiles, but mine never, ever updated. So I deleted the app.
edit:
At least some developers are happy about WP7.
Fruit Ninja Over 7 Times More Revenue on Windows Phone Compared To Android
That's called the wasteland advantage.
brotkasten
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Hey, the smileys are still working here. :lol And yeah, maybe my phone was build by Samsung, who knows!Brettison said:LOL@the
I swear Brotkasten we must have like phones that are brothers as half of our stuff is always acting up where as other people have phones that work just fine. LOL
Red headed step children I swear.
Anyways, Microsoft France says second half of March, Microsoft US now says March 21.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...do-to-arrive-in-the-second-half-of-march/8888
That's in two weeks and I'm sure they're totally gonna make it. :lol
I think that's called internet journalism, amirite?Copernicus said:
Honestly even if WP7 were to never receive a major upgrade I would prefer it over the current version of iOS. Live tiles are simply that good to me. That I can check so many things with a quick flick and glance is great. I'm sad that other people are having problems that are preventing them from enjoying this great platform. Hopefully Microsoft gets off their hands and handles future updates in a more timely manner.
Edit: Also, ZunePass.
Edit: Also, ZunePass.
brotkasten
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snap0212 said:
Wouldn't surprise me if Thurrot drops the Focus as a main phone until the mango update comes out. He's using WP7 since July 2010 and nothing happened since then. He must be really pissed.
Microsoft was kinda open about the pre-update issues few weeks ago.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...-answers-about-our-first-software-update.aspx
I'd appreciate it if they'd do a blog post like that again. It certainly didn't hurt.
They gave us "first two weeks of March", because it was probably hard to point to a specific date. Remember, that was the first release date/time frame for the NoDo update they ever mentioned. Everything else was just speculation and rumors (which is totally Microsoft's fault btw).
Do you know what I miss? Engineering 7. It was like the best thing Microsoft ever did. I wish they'd be this open with WP7 and I doubt they'll do the same for Windows 8, which is really sad. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2008/08/14/welcome.aspx Good times.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Here's a picture of guava growing in my yard. I took that with my focus, I believe I used macro for that, not sure, but I know I used wide dynamic range for that one. Make sure to see the large version. So that's what got me to bug the folks on the WP7 blog about the camera settings, since I would like both dynamic range and anti-shake on by default.
brotkasten
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Your picture looks really good. The camera is the only thing I don't like about my Optimus 7, because it sucks (or I didn't find the right settings). So now Samsung has another selling point besides the SAMOLED screen. I guess it's time for Nokia to step in.VanMardigan said:
antiquegamer
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ElNino said:
On my Focus I notice it take about a day or two after installing and set the live tile option that the tile become "active". I never have problem with Flixster, AP or Weather Channel app as far as live tile update both with and without SD card install. (I don't have SD card in my current Focus and it works fine, but it also worked fine before that when I used to have SD card in it).
So far only thing that doesn't work right for me is Podcast album cover for Zune. It just display empty blank tile. (The cover show up on other app like TwiT or Podcast! or Bringcast....I am thinking it's my Zune software not properly transfer the cover).
Below are pictures I took with Focus and upload to Flickr using the app. Color is a little off but it take better macro picture than my digital camera... another picture without macro no flash, indoor setting of tulips and red vase.
Microman M114 Blacky
Tulips
I really like what MS has done with WP7, but fuck it. I'm this close to just deciding to use my early upgrade in a few months and pick up an iPhone 4 or 5. This is just getting ridiculous. I'll take a look at WP7 again in a year or two when WP7 should hopefully be out of this annoying growing pain period.
I kind of wish Microsoft would just release the software updates independently of the OEM firmware updates. I just know this hold up is due to some Samsung nonsense. NoDo is already out there and floating around on Dell and HTC handsets, and Samsung has typically been horrific when it comes to Android updates...
brotkasten
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I thought that was pretty obvious.PG2G said:
And even the Microsoft support admits the update was delayed.
Again, the new date is supposed to be March 21, so mark your calendars (or don't). Meanwhile in Cupertino: Rumor: iOS 5.0 in April
This will definitely influence how many Apps I purchase.WMPoweruser.com said:Only 5 re-installs allowed before WP7 apps are charged again
According to Microsoft, after uninstalling and re-installing an application 5 times, the sixth time the user will be charged once again for the privilege of using the app.
Given that Microsoft has suggested removing applications as a solution for update woes, we find this restriction rather ridiculous.
brotkasten
Member
It's devices, not installations. 5 devices per app.snap0212 said:
Is there a limit to how many devices I can download to?
Yes. According to the licensing terms, customers are allowed to download an application to 5 phones at a time that use the same Windows Live ID.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2434864/en
It's the same as everywhere else.
brotkasten
Member
Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction.numble said:
Still, the five installations-limit isn't true.
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