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videogamer said:
Having "bubbly icons" isn't the only thing about an OS. It's unfortunate that Nokia is not letting Meego grow into it's own platform. This decreases the amount of competition in the marketplace.

I'm fine with 4 major competitors in the market place. Seems like the mobile OS is all or nothing. Blackberry is struggling and will likely go under eventually. WebOS couldn't carry a large enough marketshare and went away. I doubt we'll ever see more than 3 big players in the mobile race for a very very long time if ever. Having 5% share just isn't enough to make a company run it seems. Windows Mobile is lucky they have MS' financial backing. They can afford to ride the downtimes until things turn around, like they did with xbox.
 
Totakeke said:

Wow. Really impressed with the N9. Would be very happy with that hardware.

Edit: Also couldn't help but laugh at the implied meaning here:

AbOex.jpg
 
Tapiozona said:
Awesome review of the hardware. Makes me super happy, though I thought the screen was 3.7, same as the Iphone. The review says it's 3.9. Is there some dead space not being used?

I hate how engadget kinda takes jabs at Mango and goes nuts over Meego. Meego is the same, bubbly icons everywhere, crap as android and IOS. At least Mango stands out from the crowd. But on a positive note, this review has me sooooooo hyped for my first Windows Phone it's not even funny. I've held onto my broken screen, piece of shit, Palm Centro for 7 months until my current contract ends so I can jump ship to whatever carrier carries this phone. Please please don't make me wait until next year for this Microsoft. My contract is up in 2 weeks.
The N9 screen is 3.9", the Nokia 800 screen is 3.7" because of the capacitive buttons.

I've been a while since I listened to the Engadget podcast (I sucks since the crew left), but I remember that Myriam wasn't really fond of Windows Phone when it came out, so the jabs in the reviews aren't that surprising.
 
Commodore said:
Wow. Really impressed with the N9. Would be very happy with that hardware.

Edit: Also couldn't help but laugh at the implied meaning here:

http://i.imgur.com/AbOex.jpg[/im][/quote]

That its now extinct?
 
The N9 is a thing of beauty. I'm pretty sure I'll pick up the Windows phone version if the reviews are good. I do prefer the N9 screen and lack of buttons, but there's not much you can do about that. :(
 
Totakeke said:
Engadget said:
Pull the N9 out of your pocket and you'll notice that the screen always faintly shows the time along with any notification icons (like @ for email) -- a screensaver-like feature inherited from other Nokia phones, which uses very little power thanks to the wonders of AMOLED (note that the position keeps changing to avoid display burn-in). From here, you either double-tap on the glass or push the power / lock key to see the lock screen with more detailed notifications, the date, as well as a status bar with battery and signal information.
I hope this ends up in the WP7 version of the phone
 
http://wmpoweruser.com/andy-lees-mo...ndroid-devices-were-sold-in-their-first-year/

Windows Phone sells more than android did in it's first year.

I know android released first on one carrier with one phone in the us, but by the end of it's first year they had just as much phones as wp7 and they had a much better marketing push.


http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/15/android-market-hits-20-000-apps-over-60-percent-free/

Windows phone will have double the amount of apps as android did by the end of the year.
Android reached 20k in a year and 2 months, wp7 has 35k according to appflow and wp7 hasn't even been out a full year yet.
 
Ok so I let it charge for 2 hours.

Come back, all I can get it to do is show me that battery screen then it dies.

I got frustrated and held random buttons.

Now it says Download mode, do not turn off it takes about 10 minutes.

WHAT THE FUCK.

NONE of you guys know what's going on with this thing?
 
SeanR1221 said:
Ok so I let it charge for 2 hours.

Come back, all I can get it to do is show me that battery screen then it dies.

I got frustrated and held random buttons.

Now it says Download mode, do not turn off it takes about 10 minutes.

WHAT THE FUCK.

NONE of you guys know what's going on with this thing?

buy the official charger.
 
SeanR1221 said:
Now I can't even get to the battery screen. How would the official charger help?
Those unofficial chargers rarely work properly, they are generic and it probably does not have the right power output or the right number of pins.
 
Wow, the pentile effect is pretty noticeable on the N9. Even just in the screenshots in that article I can easily tell.

I asked in the Android thread, but what is the benefit to AMOLED that justifies such a nasty effect?
 
Jadedx said:
Those unofficial chargers rarely work properly, they are generic and it probably does not have the right power output or the right number of pins.

It's worked fine for 8 months now.

I just use a micro usb cord and plug it into my iPhone charger.

I'll go to the ATT store and see if them plugging it in does anything.
 
SeanR1221 said:
It won't turn on. The only thing I get is the dead battery symbol, but it's charged long enough to at least have a little juice.
Plug it into the wall charger.

I had a similar problem with my Optimus. Mac wouldn't charge it, my iPad wall charger wouldn't charge it. The only thing that would put juice in the phone was the charger it shipped with.

Even after that initial problem, any other USB power source, 5 or 10w, charged it really slowly. The LG plug did a full charge in 2.5 hours, the iPad one about 7 hours.
 
Javascript hacks to bring Forward and Find on page back in IE9Mobile.

Forward

Go to Internet Explorer 9 Mobile, tap the “…” to bring up the menu, and tap “add to favorites” (it doesn’t matter which website you do it on)
Change the “Name” field to “Forward” (or to make it stay at the top of the list, use “! Forward”)
Change the “Web address” field to the following code:
javascript:history.forward()

The code for adding find in Page is a bit more complicated, but the procedure is the same.

Find On Page

Go to Internet Explorer 9 Mobile, tap the “…” to bring up the menu, and tap “add to favorites” (it doesn’t matter which website you do it on)
Change the “Name” field to “Find on page” (or to make it stay at the top of the list, use “! Find on page”)
Change the “Web address” field to the following code (use Copy and Paste on your phone!):

Code:
javascript:(function(){function G(){var pf=doc.getElementById('pf');var qt=doc.getElementById('qt');if(null==pf){pf=doc.createElement('div');pf.id='pf';var s=pf.style;s.position='absolute';s.zIndex='99';s.top=(scT||scBT)+'px';s.left=(scL||scBL)+'px';s.width='100%';s.backgroundColor='#FFFF00';pf.appendChild(doc.createTextNode('Search: '));qt=doc.createElement('input');qt.id='qt';qt.type='text';pf.appendChild(qt);var sb=doc.createElement('input');sb.type='button';sb.value='Find';sb.onclick=function(){P(qt.value)};pf.appendChild(sb);doc.body.appendChild(pf);}else{pf.style.display='inline';count=0;}}function P(s){document.getElementById('pf').style.display='none';if(s==='')return;var n=srchNode(document.body,s.toUpperCase(),s.length);alert("Found "+count+" occurrence"+(count==1?"":"s")+" of '"+s+"'.");pf.parentNode.removeChild(pf);return n;}function srchNode(node,te,len){var pos,skip,spannode,middlebit,endbit,middleclone;skip=0;if(node.nodeType==3){pos=node.data.toUpperCase().indexOf(te);if(pos>=0){spannode=document.createElement("SPAN");spannode.style.backgroundColor="red";middlebit=node.splitText(pos);endbit=middlebit.splitText(len);middleclone=middlebit.cloneNode(true);spannode.appendChild(middleclone);middlebit.parentNode.replaceChild(spannode,middlebit);++count;skip=1;}}else{if(node.nodeType==1&&node.childNodes&&node.tagName.toUpperCase()!="SCRIPT"&&node.tagName.toUpperCase!="STYLE"){for(var child=0;child<node.childNodes.length;++child){child=child+srchNode(node.childNodes[child],te,len);}}}return skip;}var count=0,scL=0,scT=0,scBL=0,scBT=0;var w=window,doc=document;if(typeof doc.body!='undefined'&&typeof doc.body.scrollLeft!='undefined'){scBL=doc.body.scrollLeft;scBT=doc.body.scrollTop;}if(typeof doc.documentElement!='undefined'&&typeof doc.documentElement.scrollLeft!='undefined'){scL=doc.documentElement.scrollLeft;scT=doc.documentElement.scrollTop;}G();})()
 
brotkasten said:
Javascript hacks to bring Fordward and Find on page back in IE9Mobile.

Forward

Go to Internet Explorer 9 Mobile, tap the “…” to bring up the menu, and tap “add to favorites” (it doesn’t matter which website you do it on)
Change the “Name” field to “Forward” (or to make it stay at the top of the list, use “! Forward”)
Change the “Web address” field to the following code:
javascript:history.forward()

The code for adding find in Page is a bit more complicated, but the procedure is the same.

Find On Page

Go to Internet Explorer 9 Mobile, tap the “…” to bring up the menu, and tap “add to favorites” (it doesn’t matter which website you do it on)
Change the “Name” field to “Find on page” (or to make it stay at the top of the list, use “! Find on page”)
Change the “Web address” field to the following code (use Copy and Paste on your phone!):

Code:
javascript:(function(){function G(){var pf=doc.getElementById('pf');var qt=doc.getElementById('qt');if(null==pf){pf=doc.createElement('div');pf.id='pf';var s=pf.style;s.position='absolute';s.zIndex='99';s.top=(scT||scBT)+'px';s.left=(scL||scBL)+'px';s.width='100%';s.backgroundColor='#FFFF00';pf.appendChild(doc.createTextNode('Search: '));qt=doc.createElement('input');qt.id='qt';qt.type='text';pf.appendChild(qt);var sb=doc.createElement('input');sb.type='button';sb.value='Find';sb.onclick=function(){P(qt.value)};pf.appendChild(sb);doc.body.appendChild(pf);}else{pf.style.display='inline';count=0;}}function P(s){document.getElementById('pf').style.display='none';if(s==='')return;var n=srchNode(document.body,s.toUpperCase(),s.length);alert("Found "+count+" occurrence"+(count==1?"":"s")+" of '"+s+"'.");pf.parentNode.removeChild(pf);return n;}function srchNode(node,te,len){var pos,skip,spannode,middlebit,endbit,middleclone;skip=0;if(node.nodeType==3){pos=node.data.toUpperCase().indexOf(te);if(pos>=0){spannode=document.createElement("SPAN");spannode.style.backgroundColor="red";middlebit=node.splitText(pos);endbit=middlebit.splitText(len);middleclone=middlebit.cloneNode(true);spannode.appendChild(middleclone);middlebit.parentNode.replaceChild(spannode,middlebit);++count;skip=1;}}else{if(node.nodeType==1&&node.childNodes&&node.tagName.toUpperCase()!="SCRIPT"&&node.tagName.toUpperCase!="STYLE"){for(var child=0;child<node.childNodes.length;++child){child=child+srchNode(node.childNodes[child],te,len);}}}return skip;}var count=0,scL=0,scT=0,scBL=0,scBT=0;var w=window,doc=document;if(typeof doc.body!='undefined'&&typeof doc.body.scrollLeft!='undefined'){scBL=doc.body.scrollLeft;scBT=doc.body.scrollTop;}if(typeof doc.documentElement!='undefined'&&typeof doc.documentElement.scrollLeft!='undefined'){scL=doc.documentElement.scrollLeft;scT=doc.documentElement.scrollTop;}G();})()
Yay! Do all bookmarklets work or just a few?
 
kharma45 said:
That Nokia Windows Phone is being teased again tonight on TV here in the UK.

Can't believe I actually saw an advert for the HTC Radar on TV AND Carphone Warehouse giving it some advertising in its stores.

But yeah, the 800. All. Over. It.
 
Just got a free Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7.5 handset. Considering I just bought an iPhone 4S, I don't think I'll be activating this. Anyone know what it would be worth if I sell it?
 
Wilester said:
Can't believe I actually saw an advert for the HTC Radar on TV AND Carphone Warehouse giving it some advertising in its stores.

But yeah, the 800. All. Over. It.

All the phone shops like CPW and Phones4U have big Radar and Titan posters in their windows here in Belfast, and the Phones4U I went into had a big massive stand dedicated to the Titan and Radar in the middle of the shop floor, impossible to miss.

Radar is quite sexy in real life, I always thought it looked a bit frumpy in photos but it's really nice in the flesh.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Just got a free Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7.5 handset. Considering I just bought an iPhone 4S, I don't think I'll be activating this. Anyone know what it would be worth if I sell it?

Looks like about 150-200 on craigslist. Probably the higher side or a bit over 200 since yours is new in box. Ebay will probably get you more.
 
Tapiozona said:
Looks like about 150-200 on craigslist. Probably the higher side or a bit over 200 since yours is new in box. Ebay will probably get you more.

Thanks! That gives me a good rule of thumb for when I go to sell. Seems like a nice phone in terms of size and build quality. Haven't even removed it from the plastic.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Thanks! That gives me a good rule of thumb for when I go to sell. Seems like a nice phone in terms of size and build quality. Haven't even removed it from the plastic.


Better off selling it sooner than later. Next generation Windows phone hardware is about to flood the market. It will affect your bottom line.
 
Looks like the radar will be coming soon for Tmo since they posted it on their website. I haven't seen an official date, but looks like soon. I might get that for the GF once it comes.
 
Tapiozona said:
Better off selling it sooner than later. Next generation Windows phone hardware is about to flood the market. It will affect your bottom line.

Thanks. I'm out of town this week, but will probably put it up for sale next. Either way, it's pure profit since I didn't pay anything for it to begin with.
 
Wads said:
Looks like the radar will be coming soon for Tmo since they posted it on their website. I haven't seen an official date, but looks like soon. I might get that for the GF once it comes.
Get her the pink Nokia 800 when it comes out...guarantee you she'd love it, or the blue one if she doesn't like pink. It's one of the best looking phones ever

Nokia-800-Blue.jpg

Nokia-800-Pink.jpg


Can't stop looking at those shots, just awesome!


EDIT: Oh wait, I wonder if Tmobile will have it. I'm on Tmobile as well :( That would suck if they didn't carry it. I'm gonna switch carriers if they don't, fuck that.
 
Heavy said:
EDIT: Oh wait, I wonder if Tmobile will have it. I'm on Tmobile as well :( That would suck if they didn't carry it. I'm gonna switch carriers if they don't, fuck that.

Ooh, that does look nice, but maybe they won't get it? I'm locked in for 2 years so I'm not going anywhere and I also love my HTC Amaze. Nokia 800 is a stupid name too cause when I search nokia 800 I get a bunch of stupid results for the Nokia N800...

It looks like they may not be announced in the US until 2012? Also, I see there's a black one too (which I think looks best).
 
Heavy said:
Wads, it'll be announced in 4 days at Nokia World. Will probably have different names for each carrier.

Nokia world is in 4 days? I don't have my Meego Revival OT ready yet.

oh god.
 
The N9's screen is as pentile as it can get. My hope is that the higher pixel density compared to the Galaxy S or the Omnia7/Focus can compensate it. I'll let a fried buy the phone first and then see how bad it is.
 
Engadget in their video review of the hardware did say the quality of it was up there with SuperAMOLED Plus so that's at least promising.
 
kharma45 said:
Engadget in their video review of the hardware did say the quality of it was up there with SuperAMOLED Plus so that's at least promising.

Fuck yes. SAMOLED was one of the main things keeping me loyal to Samsung. If it's comparable, I'd love to give the Nokia a shot.
 
Jadedx said:
Why is pentile bad?

Shamelessly stolen from this post in the Android thread

each pixel in a typical LCD is made up of several sub-pixels, usually in a layout like

|RGB|RGB|
|RGB|RGB|


for a 4 pixel array (there are other layouts used, but this is the most common)


in Super AMOLED it's

|RG|BG|
|BG|RG|

so there are less subpixels per pixel and they use subpixel rendering to calculate how to render what they want displayed
 
Korey said:
Is the N9's screen pentile or is it comparable to the Super Amoled Plus?
Look at the pictures in the Engadget article. Even from a distance the nasty pentile effect is visible.
 
crazy monkey said:
They said they prefer meego over mango that is the most amazing thing lol. I love my nokia phone too.
It's Myriam Joire. She never liked WP7.

O2fQm.jpg


Would you trust a review from her?

Okay, that was mean
 
Zefah said:
Look at the pictures in the Engadget article. Even from a distance the nasty pentile effect is visible.

Doesn't look quite as bad here

n9-screen119v.jpg


Both reviews praise it, with Engadget saying it's on a par with SAMOLED+, and to quote from TIMN

There’s no way to perceive the pixel layout with the naked eye (I had to zoom way in on some macro photos to verify the PenTile grid)

Yet in some of the Engadget images I can notice it quite easily. I guess the proof will be in the pudding when you see the device in the flesh.
 
I had forgotten about Local Scout integrated in WP7 until I read the Supersite today. Gives you local dining, attractions, etc.sorted by distance from you. Useful when traveling.

The icon for mine is located on the bottom of search after I tap the search button, looks like a cluster of buildings.
Covers the, USA, UK, France, Australia, probably some other countries as well.

Local Scout is a location-aware "neighborhood guide," in Microsoft's words. It's exposed in the Windows Phone 7.5 user interface as a command bar button in the Bing search experience (reached by tapping your handset's Search button) or, via certain wireless carriers, as a discrete app of its own. It can also be accessed through the (Bing) Maps app.

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-75-local-scout-141018
 
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