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Windows Phone 8.1 |OT| Update 1

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Sky Interloper

Member
JaggedSac said:
So they are bailing on the US?
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Possibly the US will be the exception to the rule, considering the influence of the American market for the world at large. The safest markets might be the EU (except Spain), India, Brazil and Mexico (maybe the rest of LA, I don't know their numbers)
 
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joshschw

Member
Sounds okay to me, they are spread so thin right now and I think it shows.

Why bother with 10 (sorry, 117) low end Lumia models for all these markets when they can partner with other low end OEM's and still penetrate the markets just as well if not better? These companies already have their infrastructures in place in these local markets as well.

I feel for the people losing their jobs but c'mon.... Look at where Lumia is right now and wonder WHY it had 7800 people working in it to begin with, let alone the actual higher number.
 
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Milchjon

Member
Whatever they'll do, they'll need to control their communication quickly.

I'm sure they'll lose a bunch of sales if they can't get any "appeasement" announcements out soon, cause everyone will think Windows Phone is a dead platform (more dead, I mean).
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Doffen said:
It's more likely that they are going to bail on Europe, because reasons.
All focus on India and Lumia 342.
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Finland ATM

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Anton Sugar

Member
Milchjon said:
Whatever they'll do, they'll need to control their communication quickly.

I'm sure they'll lose a bunch of sales if they can't get any "appeasement" announcements out soon, cause everyone will think Windows Phone is a dead platform (more dead, I mean).
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Already a bunch of "RIP Windows Phone" posts in the layoffs thread.
 
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jagowar

Member
Paganmoon said:
Going to be pissed if they bail on Europe...
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Doubt that would be the case.. Europe is the one area there adoption is going well.

I hope that line about ending carrier partnerships also means at&t. That has held windows phone back in the us as much as anything.

I do see this as an overall good thing. Lumia had become too confusing and cluttered.

If the 940 and XL rumors pan out you can really see this strategy become clear.

520 and 520XL (guessing on the actual number but their low end phone)
640 and 640XL (mid range)
940 and 940XL (high end)

Pack in all the phone bands on them so they are universal (like iphone) and sell on as many carriers as you can get.
 
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maximum360

Member
brotkasten said:
What this really means is that we're not getting any of this anymore.


Lumia 430 Dual SIM
Lumia 435
Lumia 435 Dual SIM
Lumia 530
Lumia 530 Dual SIM
Lumia 532
Lumia 532 Dual SIM
Lumia 535
Lumia 535 Dual SIM
Lumia 540 Dual SIM
Lumia 630
Lumia 630 Dual SIM
Lumia 635
Lumia 638
Lumia 640
Lumia 640 Dual SIM
Lumia 640 XL
Lumia 640 XL LTE
Lumia 640 XL Dual SIM
Lumia 640 XL LTE Dual SIM
Lumia 730
Lumia 730 Dual SIM
Lumia 735
Lumia 830
Lumia 930
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And that I'm okay with. A flagship and a low end device is really all that is needed anyway. Maybe one mid-ranged phone is bad either.
 
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lastflowers

Banned
brotkasten said:
What this really means is that we're not getting any of this anymore.


Lumia 430 Dual SIM
Lumia 435
Lumia 435 Dual SIM
Lumia 530
Lumia 530 Dual SIM
Lumia 532
Lumia 532 Dual SIM
Lumia 535
Lumia 535 Dual SIM
Lumia 540 Dual SIM
Lumia 630
Lumia 630 Dual SIM
Lumia 635
Lumia 638
Lumia 640
Lumia 640 Dual SIM
Lumia 640 XL
Lumia 640 XL LTE
Lumia 640 XL Dual SIM
Lumia 640 XL LTE Dual SIM
Lumia 730
Lumia 730 Dual SIM
Lumia 735
Lumia 830
Lumia 930
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This is exactly what I took away from this, unfortunate for all those who have lost their jobs, however.
 
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Doffen

Member
Steelyuhas said:
Europe is the only place Windows Phone does pretty well though.
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But for how long? They are not being proactive here anymore and the growing shortage of popular/local apps isn't helping them. The other bigger OEM's are pushing their devices a lot harder and that results in Lumia just drowning.

I've currently seen more marketing for Galaxy S6 Edge than I've seen for any Lumia device combined here in Norway. And Lumia 800, 920 and 930 actually had some marketing here.

People need to know about the devices for them to sell.
 
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M3d10n

Member
There are way too many "almost the same" Lumia models. The 435 and 532 are basically the same phone, with only minimal changes to the camera. Same for the 535 and the 640. MS needs to focus on a much slimmer line and fill the gaps with Chinese OEMs like Blu.
 
juliushandle

juliushandle

Member
I only say Pureview will be flushed because I'm guessing many of those layoffs will include Nokia staff involved in imaging. Yes Microsoft needs a flagship but they'll use off the shelf parts rather than pay engineers from Nokia.
 
NeOak

NeOak

Member
camajise said:
I only say Pureview will be flushed because I'm guessing many of those layoffs will include Nokia staff involved in imaging. Yes Microsoft needs a flagship but they'll use off the shelf parts rather than pay engineers from Nokia.
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If true, they may end up joining their previous boss at Apple.
 
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Anton Sugar

Member
I feel like PureView had it's chance to be a "thing". Is it even much of an asset anymore? Do PureView phones outperform others? Unless they reinvent it in some way or make some other breakthrough, it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped it.
 
juliushandle

juliushandle

Member
Surface is far more successful than Lumia and nobody cares about the shitty cameras in the Surface products.

I just hope the upcoming flagship has the Pureview tech.
 
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Milchjon

Member
It's hard being a MS fanboy these days.

In the end I don't have too much invested. I can switch to the competition somewhat easily. But I still have some kind of emotional attachment, which is kind of sad. There's a nagging feeling of "what could have been" that won't quite go away.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Milchjon said:
It's hard being a MS fanboy these days.
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Truth is, you can be an MS fanboy and not have a windows phone, like most MS employees. I use onedrive, Xbox music, onenote, windows 7, 8.1, and 10, Office, Xbox, and Skype. Every day. Would I love to use Windows phone as my daily driver? Of course, but and maybe I will later this year, but it doesn't change my preference for Microsoft products and services.
 
BeforeU

BeforeU

Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
VanMardigan said:
Truth is, you can be an MS fanboy and not have a windows phone, like most MS employees. I use onedrive, Xbox music, onenote, windows 7, 8.1, and 10, Office, Xbox, and Skype. Every day. Would I love to use Windows phone as my fault driver? Of course, but and maybe I will later this year, but it doesn't change my preference for Microsoft products and services.
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You ain't true fan if you don't use WP.

Day 1 supporter. Fuck yeah !!!
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
camajise said:
Surface is far more successful than Lumia and nobody cares about the shitty cameras in the Surface products.

I just hope the upcoming flagship has the Pureview tech.
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That's cause only idiots and old people use a tablet to take any type of picture at all.
 
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dLMN8R

Member
VanMardigan said:
Truth is, you can be an MS fanboy and not have a windows phone, like most MS employees. I use onedrive, Xbox music, onenote, windows 7, 8.1, and 10, Office, Xbox, and Skype. Every day. Would I love to use Windows phone as my daily driver? Of course, but and maybe I will later this year, but it doesn't change my preference for Microsoft products and services.
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Ok I wouldn't say "like most MS employees" :p

The vast majority of my coworkers definitely still use a Windows Phone. I see 920s, 830s, Icons, and 1520s all the time.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
NeOak said:
http://arstechnica.com/information-...n-microsoft-to-a-future-of-desktop-obscurity/

Interesting
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Pretty much disagree with everything he says. He wants Microsoft to continue to have an overwhelming amount of choices with phones, yet he says at the same time that all these choices have failed to gain much traction if any at all in most markets. Doesn't make any sense to me, he wants them to keep doing what's not working.

Also his arguments saying universal apps are going to be dead because of this is speculation at best. No one knows when the next MS phone is coming out, but if their new strategy actually works, it should lead to the success of universal apps. But there's also the whole chicken and egg thing, you need users to get devs to develop apps and you need apps to get users. That said, this comes from someone that is skeptical of universal apps, despite enjoying playing some mobile designed games on my Surface pro 3.
 
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Sky Interloper

Member
NeOak said:
http://arstechnica.com/information-...n-microsoft-to-a-future-of-desktop-obscurity/

Interesting
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I understand where the writer is coming, but I fail to see how focusing the development of new handsets to a few models instead of the current deluge of devices inevitably signals the failure of the Universal App model. As everyone knows here, the main problem of the OS is marketshare, and the vicious cycle of app development that depends on it.

Of course, today's news are worrisome and can possibly signal the winding down of the mobile OS development (an stupid thought, as it would put their destinies in this kind of devices in the hands of Apple and Google), but things couldn't stay the same way in the eyes of the shareholders. It was neccesary to make changes.
 
NeOak

NeOak

Member
Well, thanks to today's news, 2 people i know are jumping to Android from a 920 and a 1520.

Other 2 will jump to whatever Nokia Android phone comes out next year from 920s.
 
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Totakeke

Member
NeOak said:
http://arstechnica.com/information-...n-microsoft-to-a-future-of-desktop-obscurity/

Interesting
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At least I'll echo the sentiments about the "tough choices" corporate double-talk. Satya has been playing the safest game and probably what investors wanted all along. Focus on high-margin businesses like the cloud while keeping away from low-margin ones like hardware as much as possible. I guess at least people love the guy eh?

Plus last I checked making phones only for businesses was the thing that people do before iPhones existed. Unless it's for engineering or very specific technical stuff, why would people want to use a Windows Phone in a corporate environment at this day and age of bring your own devices.
 
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JaggedSac

Member
Sky Interloper said:
I understand where the writer is coming, but I fail to see how focusing the development of new handsets to a few models instead of the current deluge of devices inevitably signals the failure of the Universal App model. As everyone knows here, the main problem of the OS is marketshare, and the vicious cycle of app development that depends on it.

Of course, today's news are worrisome and can possibly signal the winding down of the mobile OS development (an stupid thought, as it would put their destinies in this kind of devices in the hands of Apple and Google), but things couldn't stay the same way in the eyes of the shareholders. It was neccesary to make changes.
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His point was that the deluge of models is necessary in the developing markets where price is key and having 6 or 7 models gives many pricing options. This market was pretty much the only one WP was doing anything in.

NeOak said:
Well, thanks to today's news, 2 people i know are jumping to Android from a 920 and a 1520.

Other 2 will jump to whatever Nokia Android phone comes out next year from 920s.
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Pussies




Got an M8 via insurance, loaded the latest Win10 and it's working great. Facebook is back to integrated in the hub where it wasn't on my 635 on Win10. Hadn't noticed it before, but MS' map app is pretty good now. No more need for Here.
 
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