From a broadcast standpoint, not that I'm aware of. DVD can be up to 720x576, but I wouldn't really consider that "high-def". Certainly, something could be produced in some in-between resolution and only broadcast in 480i or something, but I have no idea if that's actually happened or not.
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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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From a broadcast standpoint, not that I'm aware of. DVD can be up to 720x576, but I wouldn't really consider that "high-def". Certainly, something could be produced in some in-between resolution and only broadcast in 480i or something, but I have no idea if that's actually happened or not.
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There is 480p which I believe is enhanced definition.
Trojita
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I've been sick for a few days. Feeling better today so I think I'll watch some anime.
There was 480p and I believe 540p.
There was 480p and I believe 540p.
Is that what you guys are talking about? Or is it more about how shows were actually filmed? I'm not sure what you are really talking about when you say "film was in HD before HD digital". Or does that mean traditionally hand drawn film was filmed IN HD before all the computer only shit was being made? The whole damned thing is confusing as hell. I think I enjoyed it more when everything was one single shitty format.
Dedication Through Light
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The first full anime I watched on that funimation elite subscription, so good and the song from school food punishment. First episode was so funny and nice, and it has the best voice by a human female dubbed, juiz.
Film has a much higher "resolution" than even 1080p. Obviously it works differently, since it's based on the size of the particles (film grain) and size of the frame, but there's generally a lot more information there than normal "HD". Since all that detail information is actually there, you can produce a full HD Blu-ray by digitally scanning the film, generally at a very high resolution and then scaling it down.
In the early days of digital animation, though, a lot of works were actually produced at (or near) normal, low SD resolutions. For these, there's only as much detail as SD allows. So, to get 1080 pixels from 480 or so pixels of actual detail, you have to interpolate that missing information (upscaling).
Obviously simplified a lot, hopefully it helps though.
Ultimadrago
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Madoka Magica 12 [END]
This was okay. I liked the
The girls were...alright. I liked Homura the best. Sayaka's
The ending was one of those
types. It was neat to watch. Overall, while I don't find Madoka unforgettably great or fantastic, it was neat little magical ride. Welp, until the films, Madoka and gang.
This was okay. I liked the
silhouette battle and the styling of "Wonderland" As for the music, I only really liked the main theme.
mental rotting felt rushed, and yet so lengthy. I understand her hesitance towards getting in a relationship with Kyosuke, but to just leave it be seemed unnatural to me. I would've enjoyed seeing her personally develop her end lesson without (cock?)block "friend" ultimatum.
UNIVEEEEEEESE
Jex
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Well, she apparently has a sound business mind.
Jex
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It's exactly the same with early television shows shot in digital, I suppose it's just something that one has to accept as a fan of those shows - they'll always be stuck at that resolution.
So basically, digital animation releases are not necessarily always a higher quality than traditional animation. Is that what this is basically saying?
Jex
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The usage of the term "high-def" always feels more like a marketing term rather than a label that conveys any useful information. Talking about the actual resolution always feels more useful.
Dedication Through Light
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Fairy Tail 121
One of my favorite characters got epic, next episode, I cant wait for it.
Rustyrose looked spooked.
One of my favorite characters got epic, next episode, I cant wait for it.
Rustyrose looked spooked.
Definitely. There's not really anything that can be done about it (short of remaking it, which obviously wouldn't be exactly the same thing anyway).
Pretty much. Even something digitally animated at 1080p isn't necessarily going to have as much detail as the original film master of a cel-animated work.
Agreed. Of course, they had to go and muck things up even more with the whole Enhanced Definition stuff for a while, too.
I think I understand now. It would explain why the BR set of Read or die TV looks not much better than the original set. Its an upscale and if you want to buy it to see an HD picture, I would recommend against it. I mainly got it because its a more durable set than the old DVDs.
Eden of the East - 02
A relationship-building episode. The interactions between Akira and Saki are entertaining, and the music was very relaxing, especially during the subway scene.
The art has nice details, too. The scene where the street lamp's reflection was drawn in brush strokes looked cool.
The ED is really good. The OP too, actually.
Good enough for me, haha.
A relationship-building episode. The interactions between Akira and Saki are entertaining, and the music was very relaxing, especially during the subway scene.
The art has nice details, too. The scene where the street lamp's reflection was drawn in brush strokes looked cool.
The ED is really good. The OP too, actually.
Good enough for me, haha.
hosannainexcelsis
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That was actually the first arc I was somewhat unsatisfied with, since it could have and should have been done in fewer episodes. I'm glad you enjoyed it though;
Kagura's berserker fight
Gintama is much dirtier than most other daytime anime, yet when it eventually ran into controversy it was for political humor. Go figure.
i think what most of you folks are missing is this. You can get a show into a HD digital format if you have the original negitives or cells but this is very expensive to do and a lot of the anime produced before 2000 dont even have the negitives. You are all correct however for series produced from 2000 to 2007 - they have the major issue of being done at sub 480i levels they cant be done or they have to be remade like they did with Fullmetal. Unless it was a anime movie - there is no way they can go to blu-ray that way and it cant be accepted that way regardless. It is much easer to get The first two seasons of Slayers for example on blu than say anything after 2000 to 2008.
The ED is really good. The OP too, actually.
I haven't actually watched my DVD copy of Eden of the East yet (I'll probably replace it with the BluRay release as it's only £10 now). I can't remember, does the Funimation release have the original OP (Falling Down by Oasis) on or some other song?
not suprising. its the reverse here.
RurouniZel
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Knight of the Area 08-10:
This is the kind of show that like Chihayafuru I prefer to watch in smaller batches than one episode at a time.
Having watched these episodes, all I gotta say is that Seven should be the main character. She's way better than Kakeru at soccer, a far more interesting character, and holy shit so hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! XD
Yeah, I remember talking about this when I watched the first episode of Gundam Seed's "HD" rebroadcast. It just doesn't look very good in HD, especially compared to older shows on film/newer shows shot in HD.
This is the kind of show that like Chihayafuru I prefer to watch in smaller batches than one episode at a time.
Having watched these episodes, all I gotta say is that Seven should be the main character. She's way better than Kakeru at soccer, a far more interesting character, and holy shit so hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! XD
Yeah, I remember talking about this when I watched the first episode of Gundam Seed's "HD" rebroadcast. It just doesn't look very good in HD, especially compared to older shows on film/newer shows shot in HD.
Jex
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Oh, it was definetenly too long. There was no way it needed to be eight episodes, it really didn't do the pacing any favours. There were also numerous scenes where they clearly had very little budget and so had to use a serious of stills/masking shots to make up for it. Not that doesn't happen anyway but it made those particular episodes feel quite turgid because literally nothing was moving.
It does have Falling down. Listening to it now.
Jex
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I don't quite understand this part - could you elaborate? There is such a thing as a good upscale, after all.
The issue is scaliblity and the cost of it. they have to go back and retouch the work for the blu-ray which means they have to do a fast and dirty for the TV end, and a longer process (three to four weeks) for blu-ray. Thats why for the Tcats series - Studio 4C takes 5 to 6 MONTHS the majority of it on the animation. And if Warner Brothers wants a blu-ray they gonna have to retouch many of the scenes. Its not fun and games. Thats why i cant stand the dubbers, they dont have the business acumen anymore nor the guts.
It even depends on the places, considering the standards each have adopted. In Australia, DTV 576p is HD broadcasting (http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_299-ive.pdf). However, the EBU doesn't mention anything similar to that on their own technical reports (http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreports/tr005.pdf).
What i mean was unless it was done on film they cant make conversion to 1080p res.
What does this have to do with upscaling or HD or whatever?
EH?
It takes money. Take the recent work getting the Loony Tunes to HD. They had to go over the film (since they couldnt use the DVD work) and carefully keep the grain where is needed and keep the coloring without destroying the film. It took about 2-3 years to do this.
This is why DVD is still viable and people should not be so quick to dispose of it. Smaller companies still rely on it to release product. I'm fine with that as long as it is a good quality production. DVDs still look pretty good.
RurouniZel
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So is this worth watching? I stopped after the first episode, actually only made it about halfway through that to be honest. :/
Jex
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While that does sound like a laborious process it obviously depends on how much material you have to convert and what kind of condition it's in, it's not going to take that long for everything. I'm willing to wait for those kind of good releases. I mean, if they can release Legend of the Galactic Heroes on Blu-Ray anyone can do it.
RurouniZel
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It gets significantly better despite a slow start. I still wouldn't call it anywhere near a masterpiece, but it's totally watchable and I actually look forward to it every week now.
Everything got more interesting, characters fleshed out, some little forced drama (but it's not that bad), hnggghhh, Hibiki as a harem leader, more info on the relics and all the stuff behind them, and I also like wearing yuri-goggles.
Not to mention the fight scenes are still pretty cool.
Jex
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Those monsters.
I really wish there was a list of BR anime releases so I could keep track of which are upscaled or true HD. It doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but it would be nice to know.
There's that nice list of Japanese BR releases that are subbed in english, so why not a resolution one?
There's that nice list of Japanese BR releases that are subbed in english, so why not a resolution one?
RurouniZel
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Okay, I'll add this back onto my list of shows to watch then. ^_^
My thing has been and always will be that DVD was good while we had the old system - now i was one of the folk who wanted something like Hulu is now several years ago (back in the the Real Player/Quicktime days) and we can move on from the disk space - but since our internet is so bad, Japan dont use the web like HK does, and Europe having 20 million systems and protocols for HD - Blu-Ray was the only logical option. And to be quite honest DVD was the stop gap sadly because LaserDisc was one of the greatest systems ever created and to go to DVD from that was like how the fuck that happend? Yeah i know LD was anolog but they never really developed it to a point something like blu-ray would have come out YEARS earlier.
And we have been using HD since 64 if i remember - an episode of Ultra Seven (Ironicly - the Banned Episode) was one of the first.
Small correction - its confusing but they used a 5:3 ratio for certain series in 1979 on NHK not Ultra Seven sorry for the confusion.
The film on that series isnt that degraded as the one for Loony Tunes. Those ones are nearly 70 years old. Its a damn mircale Jerry Beck and Warner Brothers even got it that way. And it will be the last one because all of the Mega Servers have the final copy.
You would think somebody on the animu community would do that - but I think AVSforum would be the best option at this point in the game.
If it's only the cost and not the lack of translation that's an issue, you could rent the streaming version on Videx.
http://www.videx.jp/list/anime/series/00/a_atoa_sailormoon/index.htm
The first episode has Falling Down, every other episode has the OP song replaced.
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