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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I can't speak for everyone but if I were to just make my own guess, I'd say maybe a month after it's over? Another is one cour I believe?
Crash Station
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That doesn't sound like it mentions combat at all.
Jex
Member
[Nisemonogatari - 10]
The courage to forgo story structure and pacing.
Perhaps to commemorate this being the 10th episode of the series they have the actual 'plot' of the episode (and the named story-arc) begin 10 minutes into this episode. At 10:46, to be exact.
So, if it takes 10 minutes to 'get started', what happens before then? Well, there's incest-related fanservice that is:
A) not even creative
and
B) not accompanied by witty banter. I do not approve.
Ah, and there's lots of Shinobu service, but at least she's modestly dressed, I suppose.
If the idea of Araragi and Shinobu visiting the doughnut shop interests you greatly then you'll be satisfied with what this episode has to offer you. If, like myself, you'd wish they'd hurry up the 'story' then you're out of luck. Of course, we do eventually get to some story development, but it seems hard to imagine that they'll wrap things up in the time they've got left, but I suppose we'll see.
If you've read my other posts about Nisemonogatari you'll have already heard my various complaints about this show. To summarise:
- I dislike the loose 'story structure'.
- I feel that this story structure creates much slower pacing than the original show.
- I dislike all the time spent on 'Araragi's harem members' which usually involves long scenes of banter coupled with crass fanservice.
Oh, and this is a really bad character design.
The courage to forgo story structure and pacing.
Perhaps to commemorate this being the 10th episode of the series they have the actual 'plot' of the episode (and the named story-arc) begin 10 minutes into this episode. At 10:46, to be exact.
So, if it takes 10 minutes to 'get started', what happens before then? Well, there's incest-related fanservice that is:
A) not even creative
and
B) not accompanied by witty banter. I do not approve.
Ah, and there's lots of Shinobu service, but at least she's modestly dressed, I suppose.
If the idea of Araragi and Shinobu visiting the doughnut shop interests you greatly then you'll be satisfied with what this episode has to offer you. If, like myself, you'd wish they'd hurry up the 'story' then you're out of luck. Of course, we do eventually get to some story development, but it seems hard to imagine that they'll wrap things up in the time they've got left, but I suppose we'll see.
If you've read my other posts about Nisemonogatari you'll have already heard my various complaints about this show. To summarise:
- I dislike the loose 'story structure'.
- I feel that this story structure creates much slower pacing than the original show.
- I dislike all the time spent on 'Araragi's harem members' which usually involves long scenes of banter coupled with crass fanservice.
Oh, and this is a really bad character design.
I dunno, this seems more like a summary of why the show is awesome more than anything else.
Indeed, while those traits would be a negative in a typical anime show, they are what makes the -monogatari series what they are.
I wouldn't say the first 10 minutes are completely irrelevant to the plot. When Tsukihi was discussing her idea of justice with Araragi, it showed that she was unlike the other Araragi siblings in one important way: She did not have her own moral code, but rather followed along the others, and that she knew she was a "fake".
Depending on how the last few episodes play out, what happened in the first 10 minutes might actually be a relevant plot point.
hosannainexcelsis
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I suppose it depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for "Nisioisin's inane ramblings coupled with D-team Shaft direction", then I imagine you'll be quite satisfied with what Nisemonogatari has been.
At times like this, it's best to consult our Japanese sempais who have much experience with paying Japanese prices.
Madarame
"Don't look at the price."
2ch
"buy first, think later"
I'll concede this. Not sure what Shaft was thinking there.
Then again, we now have another shot to go in the pantheon of you-know-whats
I don't really have any problems with the direction overall. Aside from that, yeah, this is more or less exactly what I was expecting and hoping for.
Nisemonogatari 10:
IT'S A NEW SHAFT RECORD. edit: sonofabitch beaten by jman.
That was.......pretty great.
I'll leave discussion of
to those who aren't too far gone to actually care.
In a world that's already depicted as virtually empty, why is Mister Donut the most isolated place of all? I feel like there's symbolism going above my head.
Today, I learned that immortality tastes like donuts.
IT'S A NEW SHAFT RECORD. edit: sonofabitch beaten by jman.
That was.......pretty great.
Yozuru is suitably threatening, and the brief period in which Koyomi believed that he and Shinobu were the onmyouji's target introduced a sense of tension and foreboding that was new to -monogatari. In Bake, Koyomi went into his fights willingly, however danger was thrust upon him this time. It's a new (well, new for those of us who don't now anything about Kizumonogatari) and unsettling situation to see him in. I have no idea how this is going to be resolved in a single episode, and I'm interested to see whether things will be settled through words, confrontation, or a combination of the two. It's pretty amazing how harmless Kaiki was in comparison.
I'll leave discussion of
whatever it was that Koyomi was doing to Tsukihi with his foot
In a world that's already depicted as virtually empty, why is Mister Donut the most isolated place of all? I feel like there's symbolism going above my head.
Kaiki suddenly being behind Araragi made me lol. Evil is not above engaging in the mundane.
Today, I learned that immortality tastes like donuts.
In Umakoshi we trust!
Yeah if you have "low" standards like most of the other SHAFT fans lololololol
Mister Donut is the shit in Japan. They're so good.
Jex
Member
"If you thought Nisioisin wasn't engaging in nearly enough frivolous meta-commentary then you'll love Nisemonogatari!"
Like /XX/ said, the combat was mentioned by the heading of the article:
肉弾戦はガチ
Basically: "hand-to-hand combat is the focus."
Yeah. What I posted is roughly the interview itself, 7Th confirmed that the "more importance will be given to melee combat" phrase was a text apart:
The "Umakoshi going all out with the animation" part he used to spice-up his 4Chan's /a/ thread isn't there, as well...
Jex
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Apart from the third episode and some one-off scenes (such as the toothbrush scene) the direction throughout the show has been incredibly flat and boring, occasionally reaching 'bad status' thanks to some poor editing. Nothing has really approached the level set by the first episode of Bakemonogatari. To call it SHAFT's D-tier is no exaggeration - Tatsuya Oishi hasn't even touched the show. Yukihiro Miyamoto (director of has done the best work so far - but that isn't saying much.
Yet when SHAFT is at their best - staff wise, it's the standard of quality you'd expect from a B-team from any other studio.
Don't be hating on Shaft. Quickly becoming one of my favorite studios 
Actually, looking back on the shows I have bought over the years, I notice that I particularly enjoyed the shaft ones, even though I didn't even realize who made them until you guys actually pointed out that they are a studio.
Actually, looking back on the shows I have bought over the years, I notice that I particularly enjoyed the shaft ones, even though I didn't even realize who made them until you guys actually pointed out that they are a studio.
Jex
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That may be true, but they have certain traits and proclivities which other studio's don't that, when SHAFT is at their best, make their works unique and interesting.
This is not one of those cases. This is as boring as Denpa.
Jex
Member
This is precisely why you and jman2050 can't be trusted!
I dunno, I don't really notice anything problematic about it. I subscribe to the idea that if I didn't notice any issues at the time of watching, then I can't be convinced there was a problem at any point afterwards.
Also Denpa is awesome.
Be fair. I don't know everything. I just know what I know!
Jex
Member
Well, then you should continue wearing your old avatar. It kept your allegiance in your sleeve!
Which reminds me, how are things going with Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory?
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Speaking of Tatsuya Oishi, I wonder what he's been up to lately. Doesn't seem to have worked on anything since Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru. Hopefully he's busy on Kizu.
I don't think this is a healthy attitude to take. One should always be willing to reevaluate one's opinion of a work as one's critical skills sharpen.
I don't think this is a healthy attitude to take. One should always be willing to reevaluate one's opinion of a work as one's critical skills sharpen.
The SHAFT headtilts have always been a bit unlikely, physically, but that's just plain broken. There's no way her neck isn't snapped.
Jex
Member
There's totally an in-universe explanation. It's cool.
Crash Station
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High School DxD 10
Issei definitely has his priorities straight when coming up with special moves.
Issei definitely has his priorities straight when coming up with special moves.
Jex
Member
I do believe he was being facetious in this particular case.
I'm not a critic though. I acknowledge that my tastes may change over a long period of time, but that scope doesn't apply for this argument. Logically, the only impression that actually matters when consuming entertainment is the first impression. Any review/impression I've made regarding a game I've played or anime I've watched has always been contextualized by the actual moment of experiencing it. I don't see how any other way makes sense from the perspective of the audience.
-Minsc-
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I'll say this, the "Yoshiwara is Burning" arc is a prime candidate for a movie remake.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Hibiki is pleased.
I'm guessing the animation quality continued to worsen after I dropped it at episode 4.
Crash Station
Member
Been up and down.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
High School DxD 10
Issei definitely has his priorities straight when coming up with special moves.
See, if you're going to make an insert character that really speaks on behalf of the audience, you have to know what your audience would actually want. Whoever is making this show, clearly understands this.
I tried to not post that in any kind of "serious" resource, but /a/ makes spicing things up way too easy...
He is Kizu's director.
It's somehow even worse when you see it in motion.
High School DxD 10
Issei definitely has his priorities straight when coming up with special moves.
I'm being reminded of Trinity Seven manga. Should I watch this if I like Trinity Seven?
Dedication Through Light
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Upotte! pv
Would have been a better concept if they transformed into the namesake guns instead of being characters using guns in school or something, guess I wont be watching this one next season.
Would have been a better concept if they transformed into the namesake guns instead of being characters using guns in school or something, guess I wont be watching this one next season.
Best ultimate move ever. This show is awesome. I don't think I ever had this much fun with an ecchi show. The characters are actually fun and somewhat relatable, which is quite rare for such a show.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I understand and sympathize with those who simply want to be passive audience members mindlessly consuming entertainment, but I think the better and deeper approach is to be a critic as well. It's good to be able to distinguish between the amount of enjoyment you get out of something and its artistic quality. Just because it satisfies your particular fetishes doesn't make it well-made.
Excellent. Hopefully he does a good job with it, since the source material seems worthy this time.
There's a legit reason behind it and in motion it's lol.
Nisemono - 10
... Shinobu is great.
Jex
Member
I'll say this, the "Yoshiwara is Burning" arc is a prime candidate for a movie remake.
In theory, most of the major story-arcs could be their own movie, they're certainly structured in a way that would encourage that.
Well note that there's a clear distinction between how I enjoy something and how it stands up independent of subjective tastes. The latter is such a nebulous concept though, and while I like to amuse myself by considering and discussing an anime work's objective qualities, the thing is that A) I have neither extensive knowledge of the medium nor an extensive set of works to act as frames of reference from my own point of view and B) ultimately, there's no vested interest in me doing so. In all, I don't think I'm qualified to make any serious attempt at objectively analyzing what I watch.
This is apparent to me by contrasting it with my own experience with video games, where I DO have extensive knowledge of the medium and many different works to draw upon, and I do have an interest in that type of analysis because I'm an aspiring game designer myself. And even then, I'm not going to let my critical analysis directly color my actual impressions of the games in question.
On a completely separate note, I'm expecting Kizu to be better than Nise if the source material is any indication.
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