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Winter Anime 2017 |OT| John Wick cleaning up KyoAni's mess

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duckroll

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I didn't think anything was original, but I personally definitely found it enjoyable in terms of pure entertainment. And you are right, that ending is too good for the show, haha.

I don't regret watching it because it provided entertainment. But I certainly wouldn't recommend this to anyone looking for good anime or a good mob story.

If someone is looking for a time waster that has guns and knives and revenge, I guess it's okay for a 12 ep show.
 
I do find it amazing how many characters in Code Geass are constantly Projecting like they're a flustered GOP candidate every time the fact that their moral-compass is a roulette-wheel is slammed in their face.

Especially
Suzaku
and
Nina
. Wowzers.

I do hope that at some point the villains' character flaws are displayed in a different way at some point though. Donald Trump and his cohort have made Projecting somewhat of a cliche for me at this point.
 

TUSR

Banned
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?
 

Narag

Member
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?

You have lurkers who use the OP to find those air dates so yes.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?
When will you add waifu ratings?
 

Qurupeke

Member
See people were down on Maiddragon earlier on but it's actually legit.
You realize it's not supposed to be a standard comedy and everything is much more appealing then.
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?

Tbh I always used senpai.moe, which instantly converts airtimes to my timezone.

Also,yes, I think it's a good idea. A lot of people ask about such a thing when a new season starts, so it would be good it's on the OP.
 

ibyea

Banned
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?

I don't use it often, but have found it useful.

As for the second question, it sounds good, although I am wondering if it just adds clutter to the format which I already consider to be perfect for this thread.
 

duckroll

Member
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?

Yes the air dates and streaming info is essential for the OP. If they're not there, we might as well not have a thread and just roll around in a mud bath flinging poo at each other instead.
 

Jintor

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Yes the air dates and streaming info is essential for the OP. If they're not there, we might as well not have a thread and just roll around in a mud bath flinging poo at each other instead.

we do that anyway

kobayashi-maid dragon 2

way fucking better than last episode. weirdly touching at times. Also some weirdly great fight animation.

it's like kyoani just playing around or something.

also now they have a Ren-chan except she's a superpowered dragon also
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I have to flag these kind of key posts that almost got lost!

flag these kind of key posts that almost got lost!

flag these kind of key posts

flag... KEY posts
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TUSR

Banned
You have lurkers who use the OP to find those air dates so yes.
Didn't even think of that.
When will you add waifu ratings?
Next season.
Tbh I always used senpai.moe, which instantly converts airtimes to my timezone.

Also,yes, I think it's a good idea. A lot of people ask about such a thing when a new season starts, so it would be good it's on the OP.

I don't use it often, but have found it useful.

As for the second question, it sounds good, although I am wondering if it just adds clutter to the format which I already consider to be perfect for this thread.

To both you and Qurupeke, I like the idea of having newcomers coming to the thread and asking what to watch last season. Having an OP that detracted from additional conversation and not focused on this season was why I was asking.

Yes the air dates and streaming info is essential for the OP. If they're not there, we might as well not have a thread and just roll around in a mud bath flinging poo at each other instead.
That's quite descriptive.



Thanks for the feedback, I'm always looking to improve my thread making. If anyone has stuff they want to see added or anything just send me a PM.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Yes the air dates and streaming info is essential for the OP. If they're not there, we might as well not have a thread and just roll around in a mud bath flinging poo at each other instead.

This isn't what we do?
 

Quasar

Member
Yes the air dates and streaming info is essential for the OP. If they're not there, we might as well not have a thread and just roll around in a mud bath flinging poo at each other instead.

Can't say I even look at the OP except when the thread is brand new. And probably the most useful part is finding out which service streams what. Of course with it being US centric its not completely useful anyhow.
 

Erheller

Member
Do people find the air dates in the OP useful?

I'm never quite sure if keeping it updated weekly benefits whomever might use it.

And would having a "best of last season" section that the community decides on an addition that people would like to see?

As a lurker, yeah, they're helpful.

Thanks to you and everyone else involved with making the anime OP's!
 
RE: anime insecurity, being driven out for having an unpopular opinion, etc.

Look, if I would feel insecure about anime, if I would want to 'fit in' with my tastes, then I would have a big problem. Let's remember that in the anime community at large series like Mahouka or Sword Art Online or Naruto are the popular ones. Should I feel being driven out of the anime world because I don't like these series? No.


Personally I don't feel insecure about my choices of what I like because I know there are reasons I can identify and arguments I can make about them, that's my 'one weird trick', even when I have an unpopular opinion, I can be happy with it because of that; but I know lots of people IRL that doesn't seem capable of articulating reasons of why they like or dislike something. I suppose that's the difference?
 
Did you watch the credits to see if they were in them? That's usually a sign that money changed hands to make that happen.

Yup, that's Carl's Jr on the bottom left.

Maybe it's just one of those "promotional consideration" things.

Akiba's Trip, both game and anime, is very meticulous about reproducing the real Akihabara down to all of its businesses.

Hm... Do they have the same businesses in both?




Oi!
 

zulux21

Member
Didn't even know AoT was next season.

next season is looking pretty good for sequels
berserk
my hero academia
attack on titan
Boruto: Naruto Next Generations :p
Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria
Kekkai Sensen & Beyond (aka Blood Blockade Battlefront sequel)
Shingeki no Bahamut: Virgin Soul
Uchoten Kazoku (aka The Eccentric Family)
Kyoukai no Rinne (TV) 3rd Season
Atom: The Beginning (could be interesting, it's a prequel of astro boy)

there are also a number of good looking (to me) new light novel adaptions so next season is going to be sexy. (there are 8.5 light novel adaptions next month including sequels like dungeon, the most for a long time. the .5 is a series that is listed as a full blown novel instead of light novel)

the top one for me of course is Clockwork Planet which is from the creator of no game no life.
 
RE: anime insecurity, being driven out for having an unpopular opinion, etc.

Look, if I would feel insecure about anime, if I would want to 'fit in' with my tastes, then I would have a big problem. Let's remember that in the anime community at large series like Mahouka or Sword Art Online or Naruto are the popular ones. Should I feel being driven out of the anime world because I don't like these series? No.


Personally I don't feel insecure about my choices of what I like because I know there are reasons I can identify and arguments I can make about them, that's my 'one weird trick', even when I have an unpopular opinion, I can be happy with it because of that; but I know lots of people IRL that doesn't seem capable of articulating reasons of why they like or dislike something. I suppose that's the difference?

Yeah, I generalyy believe that's not what happens. No one is being derided for not liking generally popular shows like Naruto or SAO. The general community of the thread skews much more strongly towards an elitist and "selective" attitude than other anime discussion sites. And it is what it is. I'm guilty of it too a lot.

No one's insecure about liking what they like. There's nothing wrong with not liking a show and certainly nothing wrong with criticizing something; what's important to point out is the tone and attitude attached to it. This is a discussion board and people word their opinion like an argument they have to "win." I talked about Belladonna of Sadness a bit ago and another poster (apologies, I don't have the name of the poster at hand) thought it wasn't good and didn't have much to say. He was critical and negative about it. But he was respectful and not inciting, snide or smug and as a result a discussion could actually happen and it was fine. This is worlds different than posting in the middle of a conversation of other posters enjoying a show and saying "The writing is shallow and insulting to anyone above a fifth-grade reading level" And let's not play coy and pretend people don't know exactly what they're doing, skirting around and posting past other posters or being vague so they can't say they're targetting any specific opinions or posters. It's disingenuous posting. It's language designed to annoy, incite or rub someone wrong and we're all smart enough to know exactly what we're doing.

Of course not every post needs to be Dostoevsky and of course criticism or dislike can be sent out in a few or single line/s. But if you're just posting a line or two your tone is even more important because people don't have nearly as much to work with or draw from it.

And that kind of stuff isn't shutting down discussion directly but it is making it an unsatisfactory environment that people would rather just go "Why bother?" than explain their opinion. As I said, if people treat the conversation as an argument to win than people become less inclined to share their viewpoint.

Obviously not everyone does it, but it's prevalent enough that drama happens here regularly and always about the same shit. Can't just pretend it's soft people who don't know how to take criticism if shows they like. I agree with Jex that there are two types of things that happen but feel that much more falls into the 1st than the 2nd than most probably do.

I'll just say that and leave my peace on it. People obviously want to move on from the discussion because it's uncomfortable and increased posting speeds by a bunch to push it off, but people also have better things to do such as watch Konosuba or read hentai.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Please, it's not hentai, it's ecchi.

I mean I read hentai but I'm not reading it right now per se. Right now is ecchi time.
 
Ironically, I'm missing a ton of anime I want to watch by being in Japan. I caught Maidragon and was like "...I can't understand any of this"
 

Moonlight

Banned
Miss Kobayashi's Maid Dragon 1


Hmm. Thought it was alright, but this didn't capture me. I buy into a lot of what the show is - Tohru and Kobayashi have easy and immediate chemistry and the warm, bouncy aesthetic is pleasant and really appealing. But a lot of the humour sort of just slid off me. I'm bad at analyzing humour specifically so I won't really get too deep into this, but the show has a bad habit of rummaging through a big tub of one-off skits and just tossing them out to see where they land. Sometimes it's kind of amusing, other times it's definitely not, and a lot of its' jokes feel like they either didn't really have time to develop at all or drag on far longer than the concept is good for. And a lot of them draw from the same well of Tohru being ignorant of something or other humans find natural. I'd like to cite some of the specific examples but a good chunk of the skits kind of blurred together for me and I'm finding it hard to think of many. Which is probably a bad sign.

The one that stood out the worst to me was probably the scene in the bar, which felt more than anything else to me like something that would've played a lot better in a manga versus television. Every piece in it just drags and what humour there is in how impenetrable Kobayashi's discussion is with her coworker dies far before they get drunk, wherein it repeats the same joke, but more intense.

The best way I can put it is that this episode felt like eleven episodes from a two-minute short that they sort of just clipped together. While you can understand that events follow one another, there's just a sense you get from each scene that feels distinctly separate from what comes before or after.

I'd be more sour on the episode in general, but the last two minutes left me more positive on it than the bulk of the episode would have had me feeling. It wasn't game-changing or anything, but it was a nice moment that reflected how comfortable (and slightly more physically intimate) the pair was becoming with one another, and the consistent emphasis on Tohru throughout makes it clear how important it is to her personally. It's just nice.

Though while I did really like that scene, if the episode were better plotted I feel like it'd have been a lot more effective than it was. There's nothing that clearly makes that night any more special than the others that must have occurred given the passage of time. I feel like this episode would've been better if it were structured over the course of one full day as opposed to a haphazard collection of moments over a couple. It kind of comes up more just because it's the end of the episode and it has to than something that naturally follows what comes before.

Which brings us to...

Miss Kobayashi's Maid Dragon 2


Much better! I'm not sure I have the stamina to really talk much more about the show but this episode deserves a little more than 'I liked that a lot better'. The episode shifts a bit from mostly straightforward skit comedy to more subdued character stuff with a side of humour, and I think it winds up working a lot better. Not just in better defining the characters, but it benefits the humour a lot too.

I can't really think of a better example than Kanna's introduction which sort of demonstrates where the show improves from both ends of things. The scene is purely on how the characters play off one another, and the decision to keep Tohru out of it until her and Kobayashi set up the conversation by themselves is a smart one, and everything that follows in Kanna's misunderstanding (well, sort of) of the situation just feels natural. It helps that much more than the previous episode, there's a much tighter understanding of the expiration dates on its' jokes, and it escalates stuff like Kanna's idea of 'seduction' just enough before moving on from it. And more straightforward gags that nailed the comedic timing imo, like with Kanna deciding to just kill Kobayashi only to meekly beat at her stomach instead. It creates an expectation at a split second and the mundane payoff in contrast to the explosive punchlines the show gets you used to got me laughing a bit.

And it's doubly impressive because the show pretty smoothly transitions into a more serious moment of acceptance when Kobayashi invites Kanna to stay with them. It has jokes to tell, but the episode is content to let the characters breathe and relax with each other. It's a fine line that the show rides and I'm surprised how well it manages.

I think sonicmj put it a lot better than I could have (and tried), in that the show just has an undeniable warmth and humanity to it. I genuinely like the cast and their dynamics with one another, and I'm curious to know more about them. It'll be interesting to see how the show handles the cast the OP promises will expand too.
 

Pundere

Member
I thought this was great overall, but the flashback scene with the flower just killed me. Glad to see the giant toad gags come back with a vengeance as well.

Post-explosion magic Megumin continues to be the funniest character in the show.
 

Jintor

Member
i don't really have the brainpower to analyse kobayashi dragonmaid 2 too much but it did feel like the comedy went by a lot better. I'd like to say it was the introduction of a third 'main', especially one as adorably charming as kanna (she's hitting the ren-chan from non non biyori buttons for me), but even the short gag chapter about dragon bashing the crap out of the robber in the shopping arcade was well-delivered and funnier than last week.
 

Mailbox

Member
Kobayashi 2

Oh no, this show got its fangs in me. This episode was so much better than the first. Pacing and execution were damn near perfect. Great moments that have a great humanity to them without feeling the need to oversell it. I just had a dumb smile on my face and was engrossed throughout.
Titty-dragon happens next episode so maybe she might ruin things a lil, but if they don't over do it and keep how they did things similar to how they did things this episode I'll be glad.

Konosuba 2

I love these assholes. Frog stuff was freakin great and the stuff with Yunyun was nice and messed up :p Had some hearty chuckles here. The second half seemed to have a much better "season 1 like" quality to it where as the first half has some obvious Deening. Overall I'm really just enjoying myself with this one and is there really anything more I can ask than that?

Looked it up and found out that Megumin and Yunyun are supposed to be 13-14 years old and Kazuma is apparently 16. idk that doesn't seem right to me :/
 
The side characters in Maidragon and their interactions with both Tohru and Stupid Maid-butt are what make it. I'm not a big "comfy" manga reader/anime watcher but Maidragon is less a laugh out loud thing and more a smile while you read it/watch it deal. It just hits the right notes for me.

Also it's by Cool Kyoushita, the hardest working man in manga (he has something like 8 ongoing series and still draws doujins), who draws exclusively paizuri hentai soooo...get mentally prepared for ridonkulous boobs because this will have them in spades.

Seriously, he only draws titfuck porn.
 

ibyea

Banned
Re Life: 8-10
To be honest, I didn't really like the drama this time. I just wanted to play the world's smallest violin at Kairu's trouble. Episode 9 was excellent though. Kaizaki's past experience intertwining with his actions in the present is once again the best aspect of the show. Also, the show takes Hishiro's development to the next stage by making her proactive in her friendships, which I guess fits the general theme of the show of getting out of apathy and becoming involved.
 

Aki-at

Member
http://godzilla-anime.com


Update on the Godzilla CG movie written by Urobutcher. New concept art. I see mechs, looks like Aliens. Sugita, KanaHana, lots of good VAs. Yuki Kaji is the lead. Fuck!!!!

Where are the aliens? Looks like humans in some sort of armour, it's the same type as the one in the main concept art. With mechas involved I thought this was the simian's long awaited return. Disappointment.

I hope this one at least makes it to the UK ._.
 

Mailbox

Member
Re Life: 8-10
To be honest, I didn't really like the drama this time. I just wanted to play the world's smallest violin at Kairu's trouble. Episode 9 was excellent though. Kaizaki's past experience intertwining with his actions in the present is once again the best aspect of the show. Also, the show takes Hishiro's development to the next stage by making her proactive in her friendships, which I guess fits the general theme of the show of getting out of apathy and becoming involved.

honestly, that kairu drama is actually the worst part of the manga too, so i get how you feel. :p
 
RE: anime insecurity, being driven out for having an unpopular opinion, etc.

Look, if I would feel insecure about anime, if I would want to 'fit in' with my tastes, then I would have a big problem. Let's remember that in the anime community at large series like Mahouka or Sword Art Online or Naruto are the popular ones. Should I feel being driven out of the anime world because I don't like these series? No.
Think you got this backwards since the talks were about insecurities on this thread. Pretty sure the minority report on this one is that not a lot of people like those shows specifically and therefore feel afraid of talking about them and being shunned for doing so.

Just watch what you want, talk about it and enjoy yourself doing it. You shouldn't be watching stuff out of a sense of obligation, this is not a job. Just be yourself and contribute as best you can with discussion. It's good to have a personality, and I am not saying we shouldn't joke around with each other, but at the same time I do realize that some of the things we say could potentially drive new-comers away with the fear of not being able to penetrate into the community. Again "inside jokes" are funny to those on the inside, but a passerby may not think the same.

I do agree that we should promote good conduct, and for the most part everyone here is top notch but I think that as a community we need to make an effort to avoid saying stuff like "your favourite anime X is shit" because we are already a small group of folks who enjoy something that's niche. We should be more inclusive and inviting to others that enjoy the medium, and we can do that by being more accepting of others' opinions and actually discussing why a show is great or not so great.
 

Qurupeke

Member
Miss Kobayashi's Maid Dragon 1

Which brings us to...

Miss Kobayashi's Maid Dragon 2

Great post! I was one of the (only) people that immediately liked the first episode, and I even found the humor to be okay, but after watching Konosuba, which I thought was actually a lot funnier, I kind of see why everyone had mixed impressions and why they disliked the gags. Episode 2 emphasized the characters instead of the premise of "dragons on a modern setting" and that's why I think it was a lot better. The nature of the jokes didn't change much, but the majority of them were based on cute and funny interactions between the dragons and Kobayashi, while it still retained its premise. First episode was basically the opposite.

Also, I couldn't agree more about the show's serious moments. Such scenes fitted perfectly on the episode, without feeling forced or out of place. I loved the scene on the bed, but it felt more like a quick look to the show's different tones, it was a very sudden change of mood. Thought Kanna's addition would be questionable, but she ended up as a rather good character that raised the show's "Cute" factor a lot. I'm curious how they'll implement the third dragon now, as her design certainly raises some eyebrows. I have faith in KyoAni though.

Anyway, I'm really glad with the show's current direction and the reception has certainly been very positive here, considering how lukewarm a lot of the posts were about its premiere. Honestly, I feel the show resonates perfectly with me and it's exactly the kind of show I want anime to be. It's a concept that you'll never see outside of anime/manga and it has the potential to be a very relaxing, good looking show that makes you laugh, without being just mindless fun.
 

duckroll

Member
Where are the aliens? Looks like humans in some sort of armour, it's the same type as the one in the main concept art. With mechas involved I thought this was the simian's long awaited return. Disappointment.

I hope this one at least makes it to the UK ._.

Aliens as in the movie. Soldiers, powerloader, military hardware, etc. :p
 
91 Days - Episode 11
I liked this episode a lot. Probably the most logical and straight mafia revenge episode in the series where I didn't just roll my eyes or burst into laughter. Although that one guy taking on two goons who tried to gank him was kinda funny. Fucking scrubs. I think ultimately though, while the execution here actually worked, none of it really felt satisfying. I realize that I don't care about Angelo. I don't care about his revenge. I don't care about the Vanettis. None of this matters. It feels like it was all for nothing, indeed. Good episode title.

91 Days - Episode 12 (End)
This was the best ending the show doesn't deserve. That's about all I can say about it. Everything about the final episode felt more mature, more sensitive, and just more human than anything else in the rest of the series. Why the change in tone and direction? Or was this what they were striving for all along but was simply unable to find a balance? I don't know but it's a huge waste.

If indeed this was what they planned all along, then this was a story of how Nero Vanneti is a man who truly lives rather than someone who tries to live. A man of principle but also one who lives in a world he didn't choose to be in. Yet he takes it all in his stride and does what he must with what that life offers, not caring about what others think. And it is a story of how Angelo is a man who lives for a delusion. A ghost who should never have survived that night. I think there's a compelling dynamic there, and the ending certainly shows that there's a conclusive ending for such a story and says all it needs to say. Too bad everything that came before didn't support it enough to make it a slam dunk.
So final thoughts then? Was it worth a watch? Seems to me like you enjoyed it, even if not at the same level I did.

Funny you consider the ending too good for the show, because a portion of the reactions from the community here was negative when they were confused or thought it was bad and I was defending it as a fantastic ending.

Edit: whoops should have continued reading haha. Well glad you at least didn't hate your time with it. I won't disagree it's a show you can really recommend unless they're specifically looking for that. And not many watch Anime to watch this. But hey if it comes up I'll give it a shot.
 

Blablurn

Member
I think it's at least worth checking out to see if you like it. The pacing is pretty quick and despite that, not much has actually been explained or a plot hook introduced yet, but it's dropping enough hints in a tense enough setting to keep me interested and watching.

Thanks for the answer! Will check out then :)
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
So maid dragon episode 2 is supposed to be better?

I found the first episode utterly boring, with one of the only stand out moments being maid otaku scene. Temporary inspired animation can't save a dull show.
 
So maid dragon episode 2 is supposed to be better?

I found the first episode utterly boring, with one of the only stand out moments being maid otaku scene. Temporary inspired animation can't save a dull show.

The 2nd episode was a lot better and that seems to be the common response. It's still wasn't the funniest thing, but the character interactions were a lot better and the expanded cast helped a lot.
 
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