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Winter Anime 2017 |OT| John Wick cleaning up KyoAni's mess

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
I think you have a perverted idea of what "substance" is.
I mean, it's a show about teenagers and love. Not for nothing, but after watching hundreds of teen love animes over the last 7 or 8 years, the best I expect from this show is some character arcs that deviate from the norm. I'm not expecting Skins from this show.

AnimeGAF discord is working on legislation to regulate usage of "substance" much like how we plan to restrict the usage of "deconstruction" without a demonstrable background in the works of Jacques Derrida or "feels" without having read W.K. Wimsatt and Monroe Beardsley's essay The Affective Fallacy.
I spell it d-ie-construction, so it's okay.
 
AnimeGAF discord is working on legislation to regulate usage of "substance" much like how we plan to restrict the usage of "deconstruction" without a demonstrable background in the works of Jacques Derrida or "feels" without having read W.K. Wimsatt and Monroe Beardsley's essay The Affective Fallacy.

I've recently read s.th. about deconstructed food. IIRC you sort of take apart the ingredients of a dish and then put them together in a different way.

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
I've recently read s.th. about deconstructed food. IIRC you sort of take apart the ingredients of a dish and then put them together in a different way.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/d-chen/neogaf-dota2-emoticons/master/gifs/cm-vi3.gif
I honestly don't know if molecular gastronomy is in vogue anymore (it's probably as cliche as putting steak in a bag and boiling it for an hour), but I can understand the intent in trying to play with expectations of food by either presenting it in its constituent pieces or assembling the ingredients in an unexpected manner.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
(it's probably as cliche as putting steak in a bag and boiling it for an hour)

>an hour

Sous vide is getting more traction these days because of new affordable kitchen appliances that let you sous vide without the previously associated cost.

Food "deconstruction" involves lot of slabs and mason jars.

 

Syrinx

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
>an hour

Sous vide is getting more traction these days because of new affordable kitchen appliances that let you sous vide without the previously associated cost.

Food "deconstruction" involves lot of slabs and mason jars.
lol
I actually have no long how it takes. I'm just tired of people doing it on cooking shows like it's some magical move that only pro-chefs know about.

I like the deconstructed meals where waiters just slap the ingredients on the table itself.

Haly pls.
But it's a big thing in Singapore now!
http://www.yoursingapore.com/editorials/modern-twist-to-local-dining.html
 
I mean, it's a show about teenagers and love. Not for nothing, but after watching hundreds of teen love animes over the last 7 or 8 years, the best I expect from this show is some character arcs that deviate from the norm. I'm not expecting Skins from this show.

It's your sociological reduction of everything into an assemblage of tropes and categories, with no regard for the individual, that bothers me. But as I said, as Scum's Wish specifically goes I remain skeptical that it really has anything to say.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Do we need a new rule saying you need a MA in Film/Literature/Linguistics to mention Derrida?
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
It's your sociological reduction of everything into an assemblage of tropes and categories, with no regard for the individual, that bothers me. But as I said, as Scum's Wish specifically goes I remain skeptical that it really has anything to say.
That happens when you watch too much crap and you're always looking for the constituent parts of any work because that's just what you're trained to do. lol

Do we need a new rule saying you need a MA in Film/Literature/Linguistics to mention Derrida?
Well, anyone can get an MA in Literature so. :p
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Okay you need a BSc in CS and Math on top of a MA in Literature.
 

Quasar

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That happens when you watch too much crap and you're always looking for the constituent parts of any work because that's just what you're trained to do. lol

Took me a while to get over that when I came out of uni.Eventually I was able to have fun with my film watching again.
 

duckroll

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It's your sociological reduction of everything into an assemblage of tropes and categories, with no regard for the individual, that bothers me. But as I said, as Scum's Wish specifically goes I remain skeptical that it really has anything to say.

But isn't that how all things are made? I find it really hard to believe that the majority of entertainment, especially entertainment targeted as predictable niches, to be born of some natural desire to express something rather than the quest for more money. That doesn't mean it can't be good, or that the people who end up working on it can't have something to say, but it's not overly cynical to see most entertainment as an assembly of tropes to target demographics first and foremost. It's just being realistic.
 

Shergal

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But isn't that how all things are made? I find it really hard to believe that the majority of entertainment, especially entertainment targeted as predictable niches, to be born of some natural desire to express something rather than the quest for more money. That doesn't mean it can't be good, or that the people who end up working on it can't have something to say, but it's not overly cynical to see most entertainment as an assembly of tropes to target demographics first and foremost. It's just being realistic.

I'm not sold on this being as big of a factor in manga, although I guess you could place it on which stuff publishers choose to take, there...
 
Okay you need a BSc in CS and Math on top of a MA in Literature.

You also need to have seen every major 'classic' anime (Akira, Ghost in The Shell, etc.) that builds the foundation of Modern anime as we know it. Also, in order to discuss any genre you must have seen the triforce of anime that basically holds the very fabric of the genre together. Then you need to have watched the latest five anime in any given genre you wish to discuss and correctly identify at least four important moments that are direct call backs to the original foundations.

But if your ratio of new anime to classics outstrips the coefficient of the lateral understanding of the medium itself then you cannot post more than three times a day and must limit yourself to one specific subgenre that hasn't reversed the polarity of the Neutron flow.

Anyway: Gundam 8th MS Team Miller's Report
I guess I'd never seen this particular compilation film before. I'd also been under the impression it was worth watching because of the Miller Report framing for the story, that it added enough new scenes to feel like a true inclusion to the series. I walked away feeling a bit let down. I don't know who got that idea into my head, but the new scenes amount for very little, and ultimately don't add a whole lot to the story you don't get in the main OVA
Although I guess it kind of justifies Shiro getting let off the hook a bit more, but meh.
Didn't help that I got 55 minutes in and then realized, oh, it was over.

At least the DVD had the Journey to Jaburo Game/Animated footage, that was fun seeing pivotal moments from the original series reanimated with a slightly more modernized style. I think ultimately all this did for me is make me wish Gundam The Origin was on a faster release schedule =/
 

Clov

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Do we need a new rule saying you need a MA in Film/Literature/Linguistics to mention Derrida?

None of the people I worked with during my MA wanted to touch Derrida with a ten foot pole. That's some headache inducing stuff right there. I did read an interesting article on him that popped up on my Twitter feed recently, though.

Well, anyone can get an MA in Literature so. :p

Bah! :p

But isn't that how all things are made? I find it really hard to believe that the majority of entertainment, especially entertainment targeted as predictable niches, to be born of some natural desire to express something rather than the quest for more money. That doesn't mean it can't be good, or that the people who end up working on it can't have something to say, but it's not overly cynical to see most entertainment as an assembly of tropes to target demographics first and foremost. It's just being realistic.

I think what's more important is what we get out of it, anyway. It shouldn't really matter whether something was made for commercial gain or not.
 

duckroll

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I'm not sold on this being as big of a factor in manga, although I guess you could place it on which stuff publishers choose to take, there...

It's less of a factor in manga because there is a singular creator usually, and the main influence the author faces is a single editor. But even then, it would be naive to not think that many creators consider what is popular and what has been done before in the genre or medium to build on that success. But yes, in general I think there is a lot more room for expression being the root of creation in manga rather than anime. Just like in books, rather than a TV show.
 
But isn't that how all things are made? I find it really hard to believe that the majority of entertainment, especially entertainment targeted as predictable niches, to be born of some natural desire to express something rather than the quest for more money. That doesn't mean it can't be good, or that the people who end up working on it can't have something to say, but it's not overly cynical to see most entertainment as an assembly of tropes to target demographics first and foremost. It's just being realistic.

I'm objecting to a worldview where people don't matter except as they check off certain desirable demographic boxes, whether in real life or fiction. This is a reductive way of approaching the world that I find distasteful. Of course I don't mean to deny the existence of crass commercialism in art and entertainment - and the more blatant that crass commercialism is, the more I tend to dislike something - but to view everything as nothing but crass commercialism is a cynical view that makes us worse as human beings.
 
But isn't that how all things are made? I find it really hard to believe that the majority of entertainment, especially entertainment targeted as predictable niches, to be born of some natural desire to express something rather than the quest for more money. That doesn't mean it can't be good, or that the people who end up working on it can't have something to say, but it's not overly cynical to see most entertainment as an assembly of tropes to target demographics first and foremost. It's just being realistic.

It would depend on the medium, but I'd agree that certain industries like Anime, Television, and Film can definitely be like that a majority of the time. For example, I'd agree that most Shonen manga is more driven by hitting the right buttons, rather than providing a unique and important message/expression. It's pretty clear to me that in a magazine like Shonen Jump most of the time they're just looking to find/construct the series that'll really resonate with people and why so much of it tends to prey upon the same messages (Like friendship is awesome.)

That said, I think it depends on where you go within the industry too. Similar to how you look at the more indie films for 'deep' thought provoking messages, I'd imagine there's certain magazines/sectors of the industry generating stuff with more meaning/expression from the author.
 

duckroll

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I'm objecting to a worldview where people don't matter except as they check off certain desirable demographic boxes, whether in real life or fiction. This is a reductive way of approaching the world that I find distasteful. Of course I don't mean to deny the existence of crass commercialism in art and entertainment - and the more blatant that crass commercialism is, the more I tend to dislike something - but to view everything as nothing but crass commercialism is a cynical view that makes us worse as human beings.

Well, it also helps to be more sensitive to the shortcomings of other members here. Not everyone is as well informed or aware of specific creators and people involved in making anime. People tend to talk about what they know. If firehawk doesn't staffwhore enough to be able to talk about those things, he can only fall back on the crutch of listing tropes based on his academia experience. We shouldn't shame him for that!
 
Well, it also helps to be more sensitive to the shortcomings of other members here. Not everyone is as well informed or aware of specific creators and people involved in making anime. People tend to talk about what they know. If firehawk doesn't staffwhore enough to be able to talk about those things, he can only fall back on the crutch of listing tropes based on his academia experience. We shouldn't shame him for that!

I wasn't even thinking about staff, but sure.
 

Clov

Member
I finally got around to watching those four Scum's Wish episodes. Loving it so far! The direction makes it a surprisingly engaging watch.
 

Andrew J.

Member
I have a law degree am i doomed to only discuss Phoenix Wright and wizard barristers until the end of time

I wish there was Law and Order-like with superpowers anime, with police procedural and courtroom drama elements. Patlabor and Active Raid, as far as I know, don't really have much law stuff,and Wizard Barristers just had poor writing in that arena.
 
This is kinda Off topic, but i'm watching yu-gi-oh, the end of the "waking the dragons arc" and it's just... hot trash. Seriously what the fuck is this.
 
This is kinda Off topic, but i'm watching yu-gi-oh, the end of the "waking the dragons arc" and it's just... hot trash. Seriously what the fuck is this.

yu gi oh is the anime where the world's richest man has a jet plane and it's shaped like his favorite card the blue eyed white dragon.

It's far from trash
 
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