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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -4| It's not my fault!

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cj_iwakura

Member
Finished Madoka 12.

I'm not really sure how to process that finale, but
I'm pretty sure it wasn't happy.

Am I crazy in thinking Homura created that uber witch that kept beating everyone until the end?
 

Syrinx

Member
Install an IME, like this one

Or install the one from Microsoft that comes with Windows.



Japanese keyboards

Japanese_Keyboard.gif

I doubt every Japanese character is represented on that keyboard. I guess that's why I'm so confused.
 
Finished Madoka 12.

I'm not really sure how to process that finale, but
I'm pretty sure it wasn't happy.

Am I crazy in thinking Homura created that uber witch that kept beating everyone until the end?

NO it wasn't happy ending .. but it wasn't a bad ending

and yes you are crazy. Homura is responsible for what happened but she does share blame with other characters IMO
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Finished Madoka 12.

I'm not really sure how to process that finale, but
I'm pretty sure it wasn't happy.

Am I crazy in thinking Homura created that uber witch that kept beating everyone until the end?

It's more
bittersweet than happy, that's for sure.

And if my memory doesn't fail me, every single time Homura went back in time she made the witch get stronger because she was increasing the potential influence the monster had in the course of history or something like that.
 

zeroshiki

Member
I doubt every Japanese character is represented on that keyboard. I guess that's why I'm so confused.

Are you talking about kanji? All hiragana characters (and by extension katakana) are represented there. For the kanji (and other exotic stuff), you type out words in the hiragana and the IME pulls out something like an autosuggest for you to pick out the word you want.

Of course no one actually uses the hiragana keys anymore. Just type it out in romaji and the IME takes care of it.
 

Syrinx

Member
Indeed. As I told you it's phonetic based.
Plus you can switch from romajis to hiragana anytime by pressing the appropriate key on your keyboard

Are you talking about kanji? All hiragana characters (and by extension katakana) are represented there. For the kanji (and other exotic stuff), you type out words in the hiragana and the IME pulls out something like an autosuggest for you to pick out the word you want.

I'm learnding.
 

cajunator

Banned
I want to learn from the mountain. I want an Arjuna boxset. what is the easiest way to acquire it? Do I really have to resort to Ebay at this point?
 

OceanBlue

Member
The single best thing about this is the fact that it changes Jexhius' tag to "In every last muthafuckin age, up in every last muthafuckin place, the deedz of pimps remain the same."

cajunator
AnimeGAFz phattest thug of cute
(Today, 01:39 AM)
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Wow. What the? LOL.

kayos90
Tragic sucka of hustla dirtnap
(Today, 01:49 AM)

Jintor
Lit his dirty ass on fire ta get
a mod ta tag him
(Today, 03:15 AM)

I'm dying. This is amazing.
 

Moonlight

Banned
Finished Madoka 12.

I'm not really sure how to process that finale, but
I'm pretty sure it wasn't happy.

Am I crazy in thinking Homura created that uber witch that kept beating everyone until the end?

It was happier. Madoka's wish resets the status quo of the universe, her wish to destroy her every witch with her own hands before they appear means that the definition of what a magical girl is in their universe has changed significantly. Magical girls don't create witches when they run out of power, they simply 'burn out'. However, if they keep fighting, their soul gem will continually replenish and they can avoid that fate (unless they do what Sayaka does and completely expend their magical energy). And since Madoka's wish ensures the death of every witch before they appear, her own witch is constantly destroyed.

This resets the relationship between Kyubey and magical girls as well. They don't rely on the sudden shift from hope to despair to collect emotional energy, but rather collect the residue that the demons leave behind.

It's a much more 'traditional magical girl' arrangement, basically.

What happens next is, I think, a bit more unclear, but I'm reasonably sure what happens after a magical girl finally dies is that they're taken to a sort of 'Valhalla' for magical girls, but none of that was ever explicitly mentioned, so don't take me at my word.

I have no idea what's going on when Homura grows wings, though. Either it's a sequel hook or just part of her powers or something. There's a lot of speculation involving that.
 

wonzo

Banned
Just because I THINK SHE IS CUTE does not mean everybody does. Shes nowhere near the typical moe panderbait character. One of the things I liked about Misaki was that they didnt make her panderbait. She was just a likeable character by virtue of her personality, which I have personally encountered such a person before.
I knew a girl like Misaki. She also tried to kill herself because she felt worthless from being abused. Its a realistic characterization, not panderbait. The closest she was to panderbait was trying to lure Sato away from the MMO by dressing as a catgirl and there was a point to that.
The fact that she's a mentally disturbed person seeking another person only adds to the panderbait aspect of it. Again, to quote the manga:

nhk_moe_mangaext.png
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
I want to learn from the mountain. I want an Arjuna boxset. what is the easiest way to acquire it? Do I really have to resort to Ebay at this point?

Yeah, it's been out of print for years and people are gouging the hell out of Anime Legends stuff now that Bandai is dead so it's not going to be cheap.
 

Syrinx

Member
Just gonna randomly say that NFL-GAF tears are hilarious. Especially now that the Pats have lost. You guys should go check them out.
 

Ultimadrago

Member
SAO
I thought it was more than okay. Has everyone who thinks it's a very low bar been affected by the memetic bleed from the light novel?

Did you find the latter half and "dramatic" events in the first-half humorous? They were hilarious.
Funnier than most of the new comedies in 2012 (excluding Jinrui (1-2,9-12)...that's it).

I got spoiled on certain events from the novel and it only made things more amusing in the anime.
 

Uchip

Banned
The fact that she's a mentally disturbed person seeking another person only adds to the panderbait aspect of it. Again, to quote the manga:

Ressentiment features virtual girls growing human emotions
thats more moe pandering than anything in NHK
 
Hakkenden Touhou Hakken Ibun 03


Delicious.

Not a bad episode. Lighter on the story, but at least they are moving forward.

I still find the fashion in this world so weird. It's quite weird how mixed up it is in terms of periods.
 

cajunator

Banned
I'm going to need watch something cute to help me forget about this night.

Sorry man.
I cannot say Im sorry for your Patriots though. they have enjoyed a lot of success.

The fact that she's a mentally disturbed person seeking another person only adds to the panderbait aspect of it. Again, to quote the manga:

nhk_moe_mangaext.png

Im sorry, but Im gonna have to disagree. You could just take any characterization at this point and call it moe panderbait because just about everything is. Misaki does have some traits that could be considered moe to some people, but again, thats how her character was written in the story. Else I could take any anime character and just throw away character development and call her pander moe.
 

Moonlight

Banned
Tsuritama Episode 5-12

No pictures because I wasn't about to stop what was going on the screen for the sake of a few screen-caps.

I really cannot believe how completely this show passed me by. To think I'd never have picked this up if it weren't for this thread.

This was really just an absolutely phenomenal show.

I think somewhere in the middle of the fifth episode, something inside of my head just clicked. My reservations about the cast (Haru, in particular) and where the story was going to go melted away and I just let the show carry me away from one episode to the next as the highs got higher. And as everything - the progression of the plot, the development of the characters, the surrealism - swells into the climax, all of it just felt so satisfying. I really couldn't have asked for a better ending.

It's a testament to how strong the direction was that despite all that was going on, the show never lets itself get away from its' core themes and ideas. At the end of the day, everything that's going on is grounded in its' characters and their friendship. I've seen very few shows with such a solid center of gravity in terms of its' vision and execution of that vision. And as such, every complication, every event, just feels so much more powerful. As Yuki recounts what happened in the ensuing year, I was simply thinking about how much they deserved it.

And have I mentioned the music enough already? I can't think of a single instance where it didn't do something to elevate any particular scene. I haven't seen a soundtrack this well composed and utilized since Hyouka.

As an aside, let me just say how impressed I am over how often the show has zig-zagged my expectations in terms of where the plot was going to go. Maybe the destination was never in doubt - there was, after all, no question that they were going to fish out
the 'dragon'
, and a 'happy ending' was a certainty, but it's the stuff in the middle that I often found myself blindsided. I think I said somewhere in one of my earlier episode impressions about how sure I was
that the show was strongly foreshadowing the death of Yuki's grandmother
, which, of course, never happened. I spent the entire series expecting it (among many other things), only to find, as the credits rolled on episode 12, how absolutely wrong I was in my assumptions. And how glad I was to be.

On the show itself, I can't help but be reminded of that talk that Yuki's grandmother has with Haru - flowers all eventually die, but before they do, you should make sure they bloom brightly. Tsuritama is behind me now, but it stands out quite vibrantly in my memory. The ride's over, and I'm just glad that I was on it.

And Tapioca finding a lover was perhaps the most I've laughed all week, my god.

Somehow this has made me really excited about finishing Code: Breaker, too.
 

Ultimadrago

Member
Tsuritama Episode 5-12

No pictures because I wasn't about to stop what was going on the screen for the sake of a few screen-caps.

I really cannot believe how completely this show passed me by. To think I'd never have picked this up if it weren't for this thread.

This was really just an absolutely phenomenal show.

I'm glad to read over someone else's experience with it. I'm even more glad that you enjoyed it!
It definitely came as a "click" to me as well and once it came on, the ride was largely rather swell.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Im sorry, but Im gonna have to disagree. You could just take any characterization at this point and call it moe panderbait because just about everything is. Misaki does have some traits that could be considered moe to some people, but again, thats how her character was written in the story. Else I could take any anime character and just throw away character development and call her pander moe.
"All the stuff that makes this character so and so doesn't count because it was deliberate."

What.
 

wonzo

Banned
Ressentiment features virtual girls growing human emotions
thats more moe pandering than anything in NHK
That's fine as Ressentiment was a critique of escapism via dating sims and MMO's. The same cannot be said of NHK which tries to have it both ways (criticising otaku culture while using the very same pandering that's so endemic in said culture).

As for the AI girl, she never actually chose to swoop in and help the sexless looser by acting as his support and actually
ends up moving to a virtual whorehouse no thanks to the pathetic MC.
. The person that plays that role would be
one of his long time co-workers whom later tries to start an actual relationship but ultimately fails in the end.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Man. you guys know what Im trying to say here. Misaki is not a moe stereotype. shes an emotionally fucked up girl. Guess what, that happens in real life too!
Every post of yours makes her sound more and more like a character in a Key tragedy porn visual novel/animu.
 

zeroshiki

Member
I have nothing to add to this discussion except there was this one episode where the girl was trying to help the NEET dude (they were in some kind of park and she was reading a self help book to him) and she was all stumbly and dumb and had no idea what she was doing. The goddamn NEET knew more about the world than her.

It was then that I had the thought that NHK was just another one of those shows with just the NEET hook.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
That's fine as Ressentiment was a critique of escapism via dating sims and MMO's. The same cannot be said of NHK which tries to have it both ways (criticising otaku culture while using the very same pandering that's so endemic in said culture).

As for the AI girl, she never actually chose to swoop in and help the sexless looser by acting as his support and actually
ends up moving to a virtual whorehouse no thanks to the pathetic MC.
. The person that plays that role would be
one of his long time co-workers whom later tries to start an actual relationship but ultimately fails in the end.


ITS NOT MOE PANDERING IN NHK

I didn't even know people thought it was pandering!

I have nothing to add to this discussion except there was this one episode where the girl was trying to help the NEET dude (they were in some kind of park and she was reading a self help book to him) and she was all stumbly and dumb and had no idea what she was doing. The goddamn NEET knew more about the world than her.

It was then that I had the thought that NHK was just another one of those shows with just the NEET hook.
Because she is even more fucked up than he is!
 

cajunator

Banned
And that's exactly the problem.

Fine, if you want to call NHK moe panderbait, then Hyouka is nothing but moe panderbait. Chitanda is just a dumb moeblob with no depth or realistic characterization. she was designed to sell pillows for otakus to fuck.
 

Uchip

Banned
That's fine as Ressentiment was a critique of escapism via dating sims and MMO's. The same cannot be said of NHK which tries to have it both ways (criticising otaku culture while using the very same pandering that's so endemic in said culture).

As for the AI girl, she never actually chose to swoop in and help the sexless looser by acting as his support and actually
ends up moving to a virtual whorehouse no thanks to the pathetic MC.
. The person that plays that role would be
one of his long time co-workers whom later tries to start an actual relationship but ultimately fails in the end.

doesnt make her any less of a moe archetype
naive virgin AI waifu/schoolgirl/loli with a complicated past
they even push the wish fullfilment further by
having him fuck her
 

Milamber

Member
I was looking at the VA cast of Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo?, cause Shiroyashi sounded awfully like Kuroko from Toaru Majutsu no Index (I was right) and came across the VA for that voice command gift girl. Kudou Asuka is voiced by a Austrailian Japanese, Sarah Emi Bridcut. Hopefully this means better english when a show warrants it.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Because most people in here fucking hate each other and nobody would agree on anything.

I don't hate anybody! In fact, I pretty much like all of you, even Enron!

Please tell me you've watched Gunbuster before.

P.S. Watch Gunbuster you nitwits.

Yes, watch Gunbuster - but don't bother with Diebuster, IMO. Gunbuster is a powerful, emotive, simplistic yet effective (and self-contained) story. It is short, and it is sweet. It needs nothing to accommodate it. In fact, saying that it does is almost an insult to the show. That's how good it is. Gunbuster is best viewed with little distractions, a drink in hand, and the lights down low.

Diebuster is like giving an ADD hyper attentive child coffee. While at times entertaining, it is also directionless with too much energy. Gunbuster offers you a story, and while there is some room for interpretation, it still offers you closure. Diebuster is neither a true sequel nor is it a spiritual successor, instead it aims to fill in some blanks and can be viewed as both unnecessary and supplementary at best. On it's own it might have been interesting, but the unfortunate reality is that it's tied to Gunbuster and certain comparisons will be always be made.
 

OceanBlue

Member
Fine, if you want to call NHK moe panderbait, then Hyouka is nothing but moe panderbait. Chitanda is just a dumb moeblob with no depth or realistic characterization. she was designed to sell pillows for otakus to fuck.

I don't understand why people say things like this. What if wonzo agrees with you?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Fine, if you want to call NHK moe panderbait, then Hyouka is nothing but moe panderbait. Chitanda is just a dumb moeblob with no depth or realistic characterization. she was designed to sell pillows for otakus to fuck.
cajunator, I really like you as a poster, but this type of reductionism is not doing any services to your argument.
 
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