my friend its in to the whole LBGT thing and has a transgenderd GF to match. has a whole SLATE of manga based on it. GF dont care.
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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -5| This is stupid, kayos90 sucks!
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my friend its in to the whole LBGT thing and has a transgenderd GF to match. has a whole SLATE of manga based on it. GF dont care.
I'm not talking about specific twists. I'm talking about the overall narrative. It's stupid and very badly executed. You can keep all the major plot developments and still do it in a much better way, which is what I expected from the first 7 episodes. It wasn't just "more action". There was an actual intention to make it a better work. Then they gave up.
5 episodes of characters standing in one place talking while the character tilts and the background turns purple is not good. It's boring and stupid. That's exactly what the manga did. Instead of copying it, the anime could tell the basic story in a much better way if it was less faithful and just made it more interesting. It's not either/or. Not being faithful to the manga does not mean ignoring all the plot points completely. It means ignoring the poor execution of the manga, and drawing out the elements of the original work which are actually interesting and worth keeping.
Code:Breaker is an excellent example of something which is not particularly faithful to the events in the manga, but ended up being a much better directed and more interesting work as an anime. The manga is total garbage.
R_thanatos
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i'm too scared to ask for an explanation.
my bad sorry...
ZachDeKoromaru
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How well would that be?
I wish I could could open your head up and explore how your mind works. Its fascinating.
lets see my friend...never gets angry. never.
Hellsing321
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Yes they do.
R_thanatos
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Hum i dunno if they gave up but there wasn't much you could do about the forest part.. i do feel that they tried a lot to make everything more dynamic , including increased pacing when it needed to ( ep 15 for example ) and a reorganisation of aika backstories. If you feel that the plot is "alright" there is a limit on what a team adaptating can do to change things ..they even made the dude struck his sword on the ground several times to try to wake the viewers !
If you can't/don't wanna remove hamlet, nor some key points , there is only so much you can do.
Ps: i grew bored of code breaker manga so i haven't watched the anime yet. While the anime may be better, the nature of the 2 works made it harder to do the same thing with zetsuen because the 2 series have a total different focus.
it's much easier to add more/better action to a setting that quickly went for the fights , than a story that abuse words , words and words.
Also i don't think they've stopped improving zetsuen a subtle way , the fast pacing ( after the first part ) make the thing much more enjoyable IMO
More like the end of the setup arc. makes me wonder if all the darkness of this arc will now be left completely behind for a more typical school show.
Yes I appreciate all of this.
firehawk12
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Are you guys doing a podcast?!
Vividred Operation 4
They might as well have her say MARU right here.
Tsuki~~~ is hnnng, etc.
lol
Vividred Operation 4
They might as well have her say MARU right here.
I disagree though. I can think of several ways how they could completely change the forest part to make it much better while keeping all the main plot points intact. It's all about effort. They could have created a tier-ed system of infiltration, where both the military and Yoshino/Mahiro has to fight or sneak their way past more defenses, eventually getting into the main compound, confronting Samon, etc. They don't need to have a garbage philosophical argument which ultimately amounts to NOTHING in the story, because it is bad.
Instead, the director decided he didn't need to storyboard the show anymore, left it to inferior people, and they outsourced a number of those episodes to other studios as well. It's much cheaper and easier to just follow the manga and make it a boring and stupid set of episodes in one static location, because you don't have to worry about outsourced results being unsatisfactory since it's all stupid anyway.
That's giving up.
Personally I'll still loving the show. Loving Hakaze and her feelings for Yoshino, though why they don't just consider her having love for the guy rather than him being a Mage is kind of beyond me.
And Aika. Continue to love her. I want a whole flashback episode thankyou.
Bones "trying" to improve thing but its still have bad reception and they just said "Screw this" after that LOL.
And yeah Andou
Do you have a podcast I could subscribe to?
Bones "trying" to improve thing but its still have bad reception and they just said "Screw this" after that LOL.
And yeah Andou
I don't think there was any bad reception really. It's more like, no reception. No one asked for a Zetsuen anime, and I think it's clear now that no one really wants one. Sadly, the same can be said for Code:Breaker, even though it turned out well.
darkside31337
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Holy fuck this was amazing.
The slow build up to the zenith of the past couple episodes was absolutely necessary. The nuances and role of the Sibyl System in society have been blended throughout the series through the use of episodic arcs that have no direct bearing to the events of whats going on in the present but were quite enjoyable in the building to the crux, its akin to something like Stand Alone Complex.
Yes they could have gone about it in one cour but the systematic tearing down of the system leading into the emphatic resolution of the past several episodes was both enjoyable and necessary. The episodes that focus on the characters themselves also serve the same function and these episodes provide the kind of world building moments that other shows should generally aspire to do.
I have no idea where this show is going from here but I am excited to all hell. Easily my favorite show of the year so far.
Holy fuck this was amazing.
The slow build up to the zenith of the past couple episodes was absolutely necessary. The nuances and role of the Sibyl System in society have been blended throughout the series through the use of episodic arcs that have no direct bearing to the events of whats going on in the present but were quite enjoyable in the building to the crux, its akin to something like Stand Alone Complex.
Yes they could have gone about it in one cour but the systematic tearing down of the system leading into the emphatic resolution of the past several episodes was both enjoyable and necessary. The episodes that focus on the characters themselves also serve the same function and these episodes provide the kind of world building moments that other shows should generally aspire to do.
I have no idea where this show is going from here but I am excited to all hell. Easily my favorite show of the year so far.
Theonik
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Crash Station
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Kotoura-san 4
What the fuck is this bullshit? There weren't any instances of dead eye moe :<
What the fuck is this bullshit? There weren't any instances of dead eye moe :<
Theonik
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See above. I'm dumb >.>
Basically if you ever directed a TV show at BONES you are screwed for life now
Well that might still be his answer.
Theonik
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That would probably be his answer to everything :lol
You're the BONES expert. Why do you think they make so much pure garbage these days? Did they lose critical talent at some point?
The first 2 and the last episode of Hanasaku Iroha were some of the best TV in 2011. Ando can still do it if he tries.
They don't know how to appeal to the current market. IMO its as simple as that.
I still see them as having an unwillingness to completely put out offensive shit that otaku lap up, but at the same time they try to tippy-toe their way into appealing to them. It ends up alienating both that audience, and the audience that appreciated their shows from 2000 - 2007. Basically their current shows appeal to nobody.
To be honest the studio has not been the same since Hiroshi Ousaka died and Ayakashi Ayashi burned to the ground.
I don't think they make pure garbage though. Most of the time it feels well intended but just ends up being shit for one reason or another. I think a lot of that also applies to Production IG. I would say a lot of the problem probably stems from wanting to create something they enjoy, but feeling the pressure to deal with market realities. In the end that combination usually pleases no one and ends up being a confused mess of shit. Studios which are more aligned with commercial tastes and trends tend to do much better.
Edit: Fuck, beaten by Dead. :/
The way Bones picking project is just weird now. They making anime of such like Gosick and Zetsuen WTF.. Thing that not insanely popular, but its not make any sense for just their own creative decision either, because the original material just extremely niche, so for what they pick the project?
Do you really think anime studios pick their own projects all the time? If someone offers you work and is willing to fund the production of a TV series, that means being able to pay your employees and the upkeep the studio. Unless the project is completely offensive to the studio, or they have too much work, there's no way they'll turn it down.
It's kinda interesting that for the most part there has not been a mass exodus of talent from BONES though, unlike say Imaishi and co leaving Gainax, or people leaving Manglobe or Madhouse, etc.
If you look at the credits for most BONES shows you still see a lot of the same names that you would see in 2002 or 2005, and a lot of talent that was associated with BONES that goes to work on other stuff still come back to work on stuff for the studio.
So yeah, its not like a ton of people left the studio or no longer work with them either.
If you look at the credits for most BONES shows you still see a lot of the same names that you would see in 2002 or 2005, and a lot of talent that was associated with BONES that goes to work on other stuff still come back to work on stuff for the studio.
So yeah, its not like a ton of people left the studio or no longer work with them either.
The only "mini-exodus" I can think of would be the recent Fuse movie, which featured a lot of regular BONES staff on it, even though it was a Telecom production. But it seems after the movie many of those staff still work with BONES, so they didn't run away either.
Chet Rippo
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It's not like she chose her nickname.
How did that turn out by the way, did it even come out yet?
Dunno. It had the usual limited screening in Japan in October last year I think. No home video release announced yet afaik. I think when anyone heard "from the author of Gosick", they all ran away. Lol.
It opened October last year and no one noticed :lol
*it was most likely limited release so we'll need to see BD sales to know how it did.
EDIT: dammit beaten like a duck on roller skates
I know but I'm sorry, even such like White Fox and David Pro got more "grand" project fall to them, and BONES only got thing like Gosick, and Zetsuen is like C-tier out from Gangan, so its mind-boggling for me.
I don't know if its a normal scheme by producer to give more sure-fire project to smaller studio and bigger studio given to make something bigger out of nothing but still..
Somebody just showed me this marvel...
1/8th Mahou Shoujo Nia Figure...
... I feel like.. I'm gonna pass out....
*breathes heavily*
1/8th Mahou Shoujo Nia Figure...
... I feel like.. I'm gonna pass out....
*breathes heavily*
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