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[madp]

mother

fucking

codebreaker

Medaka fans, I feel your pain keenly tonight.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

The first being... ?

Wing.

I don't really count 0080 or 08th as series,
though 0080 would be first by far.

 

[fertygo]

Don't shows in that timeslot usually sell around that amount regardless of quality?

Yup, I think its just not living up to max potential.. Ao Ex still a lot more successful.

Its reflected to manga sales boost, Magi's anime only make the manga sell around 400-500k, Ao Ex anime make it to 700-900k.

Shogakukan will be happy regardless.

 

[Crash Station]

mother

fucking

codebreaker

Medaka fans, I feel your pain keenly tonight.

Nah, you don't know our pain. Not until you watch episode 12.

 

[Branduil]

Don't shows in that timeslot usually sell around that amount regardless of quality?

If that was the case everyone would fight to have that timeslot.

 

[Madao]

SALES RIPPLE OVERDRIVE

Temporal Blu-ray + DVD Sales Rankings for Fall 2012 (first volumes)

26,445 *7 Girls und Panzer [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
19,370 *1 JoJo's Bizare Adventure[DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30
17,520 *5 Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/19
13,801 *1 Magi [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30
12,674 *4 To LOVE-Ru Darkness [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
11,723 *2 Gintama' Enchousen [DVD]: 2012/12/19
11,609 *4 Little Busters! [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26
10,440 *4 Initial D 5th Stage [DVD+BD]: 2012/1/11
*9,928 *3 Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26
*9,297 *10 K [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/07
*8,644 *6 Psycho-Pass [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
*6,249 *3 Kami-sama Hajimemashita [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/28
*3,386 *1 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30
*2,497 *2 Onii-chan Dakedo Ai Sae Areba Kankenai yo ne [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26
*2,494 *1 Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/21
*2,392 *1 Jormungand Perfect Order [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
*2,184 *1 Busou Shinki [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26
*1,911 *1 Zetsuen no Tempest [DVD+BD]: 2013/1/23
*1,759 1 Ixion Sage DT [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/05 (*3,841 v2 sales)
*1,314 *1 Hiiro no Kakera Season 2 [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/29
*1,235 *1 Robotics;Notes [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/23
**,594 *1 Shinsekai Yori [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/30 (v2 sales)
**,345 *1 BTOOOM! [DVD+BD]: 2012/11/21 (v3 sales)
**,*** *0 Code:Breaker [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
**,*** *0 Hayate no Gotoku! Can't Take My Eyes Off You [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/21
**,*** *0 Sukitte Ii na yo [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/26
**,*** *0 Medaka Box Abnormal [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30

Other new series for this week are italicized, because only JoJo deserves the bold right now.

welp. time to save money to buy the medaka manga volumes. at least those get released in english.

good to see Jojo doing well. that show is so fun and cool. the amount of material available should provide a decade of good entertainment.

 

[Dresden]

If that was the case everyone would fight to have that timeslot.

It's a good slot, recent failures aside. Also much pricier to air on compared to after-midnight slots. There's a reason Magi went on it.

 

[Articalys]

Okay, here we go, the shortlist weekly sales rankings for January 28 - February 3:

Blu-ray
*2, *24,507 *24,507 Code Geass: Boukoku no Akito 1 - Yokuryuu wa Maiorita vol.1 Limited Edition
*3, *19,305 *19,305 Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon II vol.5 Limited Edition
*4, *15,449 *15,449 Biohazard: Damnation Limited Edition
*5, *14,860 *14,860 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.1 Limited Edition
*6, *10,174 *10,174 Tiger & Bunny Special Edition Side Tiger Limited Edition
*7, **9,004 **9,004 Kuroko no Basket vol.7
*8, **8,485 **8,485 To LOVE-Ru Darkness vol.2 Limited Edition
*9, **8,280 **8,280 Little Busters! vol.2 Limited Edition
10, **6,190 **6,190 Accel World vol.7 Limited Edition
12, **4,798 **4,798 Magi vol.1 Limited Edition
13, **3,909 **3,909 True Tears Blu-ray Box
14, **3,624 *27,871 Sword Art Online vol.4 Limited Edition
15, **3,535 **3,535 Biohazard: Damnation Blu-ray in 3D Limited Edition
16, **3,416 *26,445 Girls und Panzer vol.1
17, **3,299 **3,299 Eureka Seven AO vol.8 Limited Edition
19, **2,744 **2,744 Jormungand: Perfect Order vol.2 Limited Edition
20, **2,640 **2,640 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo vol.1

DVD
*1, *,*12,958 *,*12,958 Biohazard: Damnation
*2, *,*10,154 *,*10,154 Kuroko no Basket vol.7
*3, *,**9,003 *,**9,003 Magi vol.1 Limited Edition
*4, *,**4,510 *,**4,510 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.1 Limited Edition
*5, *,**3,846 *,**3,846 Tiger & Bunny Special Edition Side Tiger Limited Edition
*6, *,**3,230 *,**3,230 Hakuouki Reimeiroku vol.5 Limited Edition
*7, *,**3,046 *,**3,046 Saint Seiya: The Hades Chapter - Sanctuary DVD Box
*8, *,**2,818 *,**2,818 Code Geass: Boukoku no Akito 1 - Yokuryuu wa Maiorita vol.1
*9, *,**2,294 *,**2,294 To LOVE-Ru Darkness vol.2 Limited Edition
10, *,**1,768 *,**1,768 Little Busters! vol.2 Limited Edition
11, *,**1,501 *,**9,844 Yorinki Gintama-san on Theater 2D Shinsengumi Doran Hen Limited Edition
12, *,**1,435 *,**6,897 Sword Art Online vol.4 Limited Edition
13, *,**1,407 *,*41,709 Kuroko no Basket DVD Fan Disc
14, *,**1,376 *,**1,376 Accel World vol.7 Limited Edition
15, *,**1,314 *,**1,314 Hiiro no Kakera 2nd Season vol.1
17, *,**1,047 *,**1,047 Arcana Famiglia vol.5 Limited Edition
18, *,**1,010 *,**1,010 Campione!: Matsurowanu Kamigami to Kamigoroshi no Maou vol.5 Limited Edition
19, *,***,900 *,***,900 Guskou Budori no Denki
20, *,***,746 *,***,746 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo vol.1
21, *,***,741 1,179,056 Tonari no Totoro
22, *,***,709 *,**2,170 Toshokan Sensou: Kakumei no Tsubasa Standard Edition
23, *,***,660 *,*10,440 Initial D Fifth Stage vol.1
26, *,***,613 *,***,613 Code:Breaker vol.2 Limited Edition
27, *,***,597 *,***,597 Hagure Yuusha no Estetica vol.5
28, *,***,581 *,***,581 Mobile Suit Gundam AGE vol.12

 

[Seraphis Cain]

What the shit @ Biohazard Damnation

 

[Articalys]

Ah, didn't notice the Resident Evil CG movie in that list... well, whatever, I'll leave it in there anyway.

 

[Dresden]

Okay, here we go, the shortlist weekly sales rankings for January 28 - February 3:

Blu-ray
12, **4,798 **4,798 Magi vol.1 Limited Edition

DVD
*3, *,**9,003 *,**9,003 Magi vol.1 Limited Edition

fujoshi power

 

[duckroll]

Whooooooa.

Magi > 10k
Jojo = ~20k

Who said anime doesn't sell?

 

[Branduil]

Whooooooa.

Magi > 10k
Jojo = ~20k

Who said anime doesn't sell?

It sells, you just have to pander to the right audience and not air at 4 in the morning.

 

[Mandoric]

Whooooooa.

Magi > 10k
Jojo = ~20k

Who said anime doesn't sell?

Jormungand fans.

 

[fertygo]

fujoshi power

I think its more like ordinary people buying.. also mean the number gonna drop big in each releases.

 

[duckroll]

Fall 2012 is definitely a pretty successful season commercially. We're looking at about 11 new series which are doing better than average, with 8 of them above 10k (which is supposedly the "definitely profitable" mark according to the Ufotable president). I would say it's impressive.

 

[Westlo]

I think its more like ordinary people buying.. also mean the number gonna drop big in each releases.

ao no exorcist had a big drop from volume 1, i expect the same for Magi. Still good enough to get a sequel though probably, hopefully they change director and writer.

 

[duckroll]

ao no exorcist had a big drop from volume 1, i expect the same for Magi. Still good enough to get a sequel though probably, hopefully they change director and writer.

Magi's release is weird though. Vol2 will be out in 2 weeks, not in a month. It's also the same lower priced release as Vol1, with only 2 episodes as well. Regular pricing only starts with Vol3, so we'll see.

 

[Articalys]

Magi's release is weird though. Vol2 will be out in 2 weeks, not in a month. It's also the same lower priced release as Vol1, with only 2 episodes as well. Regular pricing only starts with Vol3, so we'll see.

Yeah, things like discount pricing and event tickets and so forth can skew what would be the "normal" sales of a series, so to speak, but that's what the total per-volume averages in the end are for.

 

[fertygo]

Fall 2012 is definitely a pretty successful season commercially. We're looking at about 11 new series which are doing better than average, with 8 of them above 10k (which is supposedly the "definitely profitable" mark according to the Ufotable president). I would say it's impressive.

You have the quote?

 

[dimb]

Jormungand fans.

But Jormungand did okay I thought, especially for what it probably cost to make.

 

[duckroll]

You have the quote?

It was some comments he made on a Nico streaming program about some other shit. I can't remember what the exact context was, but basically he said that people on the internet tend to believe that 6-8k sales are "good" for anime, but in fact if they're only taking into account home video sales, 6-8k in the short term is a financial loss. I remember he said that for shows to actually be considered profitable they have to sell over 10k.

 

[firehawk12]

Another AnimeGAF motto.

 

[Dresden]

Another AnimeGAF motto.

 

[firehawk12]

Jormungand fans.

I think you mean SSY fans.

 

[Dresden]

funya

 

[Mandoric]

I think you mean SSY fans.

Nonexistent men tell no tales.

 

[Westlo]

It was some comments he made on a Nico streaming program about some other shit. I can't remember what the exact context was, but basically he said that people on the internet tend to believe that 6-8k sales are "good" for anime, but in fact if they're only taking into account home video sales, 6-8k in the short term is a financial loss. I remember he said that for shows to actually be considered profitable they have to sell over 10k.

Makes the miracle of Kami Nomi Season 3 even more miraculous!

 

[fertygo]

It was some comments he made on a Nico streaming program about some other shit. I can't remember what the exact context was, but basically he said that people on the internet tend to believe that 6-8k sales are "good" for anime, but in fact if they're only taking into account home video sales, 6-8k in the short term is a financial loss. I remember he said that for shows to actually be considered profitable they have to sell over 10k.

Thank you!

He might be right, but there's only so much you can know from Oricon tracking data.. Some people saying the actual sales can 20-30%+ from Oricon data, and plus the long term sales which impossible to track.

For example SHAFT already reporting their Monogatari series already hit 1 million mark, we can only identify 800k of them from Oricon, KyoAni said something similar about Haruhi, Nodame producer said they selling 3x more than 2ch's estimate and so on.

 

[Dresden]

sasami san - 04

Shaft is hitting some new highs in bad art and cut corners here. Wonzoic faces are aplenty. There's even a whole crowd of them. Then they stop having faces at all and it's deep.

I liked the start of the episode, at least--you can do some interesting things with the idea of constant surveillance, of the surveillant being surveilled, the doubly voyeuristic nature of the voyeur being voyeured. Not that it ever does much with it.

Of course it quickly falls apart under the weight of its own mythos, which it so laboriously imparted on the viewer last episode. It exists in that odd limbo where things are stupid and random, but they're supposed to make sense within the context of the story, and when they try to explain that logic, everything falls apart.

This show is garbage.

 

[Westlo]

Thank you!

He might be right, but there's only so much you can know from Oricon tracking data.. Some people saying the actual sales can 20-30%+ from Oricon data, and plus the long term sales which impossible to track.

For example SHAFT already reporting their Monogatari series already hit 1 million mark, we can only identify 800k of them from Oricon, KyoAni said something similar about Haruhi, Nodame producer said they selling 3x more than 2ch's estimate and so on.

Probably what they shipped since I don't see the anime industry acting any different from the gaming. Lol @ Harada claiming Tekken 6 sold 3.5 million on twitter when that shit flopped period.

 

[Branduil]

It was some comments he made on a Nico streaming program about some other shit. I can't remember what the exact context was, but basically he said that people on the internet tend to believe that 6-8k sales are "good" for anime, but in fact if they're only taking into account home video sales, 6-8k in the short term is a financial loss. I remember he said that for shows to actually be considered profitable they have to sell over 10k.

What sources of revenue are there besides home video sales? You have the blurays, dvds, merchandise... anything else?

 

[Westlo]

Hey ducky, you think Akito was disappointed for Bandai?

 

[fertygo]

Hey ducky, you think Akito was disappointed for Bandai?

What?
Of course no, that inline with the series sales.

 

[Brazil]

19,370 *1 JoJo's Bizare Adventure[DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30

God is good.

13,801 *1 Magi [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30
**,*** *0 Medaka Box Abnormal [DVD+BD]: 2013/01/30

Or maybe he isn't.

 

[fertygo]

Medaka box anime and Neo-Gainax sucks.

 

[dimb]

Medaka box anime and Neo-Gainax sucks.

Abnormal was pretty cool. I dunno, I am kind of hopeful for Gainax in the future.

 

[Mandoric]

What sources of revenue are there besides home video sales? You have the blurays, dvds, merchandise... anything else?

Advertising, overseas rights, domestic streaming/VoD, events.

It's also to note that different "lines" are drawn at different levels; something lowball like the Manabi line is taking into account all of these, assuming unrecorded sales, and assuming a hypothetical bump for the core IP. Whereas the figures in question he's talking about are what it takes to literally break even on home video, that is, the kind of sales that would make a hypothetical zero-merch, Japan-only, TV-budget OVA break even.

 

[BGBW]

And for all I know, they're just Lego's here, I just wanted to crack a stupid joke only someone like BGBW would get. And yeah, N&B originally stood for Nintendo Block.

And they're more 'if we put circles on rectangles they look a bit like Lego but it isn't' blocks.

School Days 1 - 2

Somebody told me to check this out. Not a lot to say, pretty standard setting and characters...Not a huge fan of the way it looks, and the formula seems pretty generic, but I guess it won't hurt to watch a few more.

Why doesn't anyone heed my warnings?

 

[zeroshiki]

What sources of revenue are there besides home video sales? You have the blurays, dvds, merchandise... anything else?

Let's take K-On as an example. Here's a screencap of a news variety show BEFORE the K-On movie.

It says K-On and related goods have sold 28 billion yen.

Now, what we know of K-On's sales is from reports around when the last K-On!! volume came out and it said the K-On series has sold 540k units. Now, assuming 8800 yen per disc (because why not) that only comes out to 4.75 billion yen. There was like a 20 billion yen goldmine in merchandising.

 

[Branduil]

That's a large number.

I forgot to ask, did you watch Gothicmade this weekend?

 

[zeroshiki]

I forgot to ask, did you watch Gothicmade this weekend?

It opens this weekend (2/9) in my part of the woods. I'll try to see it.

 

[Branduil]

It opens this weekend (2/9) in my part of the woods. I'll try to see it.

Cool. I'm looking forward to your review.

 

[BGBW]

I don't think I've ever watched anime while drunk.

Now I'm wondering if I should try it out.

Neither have I, but I don't drink excessively at home. I think the closest I got to that was when I start using the word cheeky bit more than usual.

If I am tipsy it usually means I'll just go to bed once I get home.

 

[wonzo]

Hellsing Ultimate X END

Well, I hope you like your hour long OVA's to be as fucking ugly and poorly animated as the 9th one was as that's exactly what you're gonna get, shit end and all.

 

[Milamber]

Let's take K-On as an example. Here's a screencap of a news variety show BEFORE the K-On movie.

It says K-On and related goods have sold 28 billion yen.

Now, what we know of K-On's sales is from reports around when the last K-On!! volume came out and it said the K-On series has sold 540k units. Now, assuming 8800 yen per disc (because why not) that only comes out to 4.75 billion yen. There was like a 20 billion yen goldmine in merchandising.

If that is K-ON alone, I wonder how much the Precure series has made on merchandising?


EDIT: Wishing for a game of this calibre...

 

[firehawk12]

Let's take K-On as an example. Here's a screencap of a news variety show BEFORE the K-On movie.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/shikiroa/463eda4d-s.jpg

It says K-On and related goods have sold 28 billion yen.

Now, what we know of K-On's sales is from reports around when the last K-On!! volume came out and it said the K-On series has sold 540k units. Now, assuming 8800 yen per disc (because why not) that only comes out to 4.75 billion yen. There was like a 20 billion yen goldmine in merchandising.

I still can't believe you didn't get that film strip. lol

 

[Articalys]

Finally, the week's music sales, and there's a lot of it:

Single CD
*3, 21,195 *,*21,195 Crayon Shin-chan "Kimi ni 100%"
*4, 20,980 *,*20,980 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "Bloody Stream"
*7, 10,371 *,290,569 Magi "Yubi Boenkyo" (Nogizaka46)
13, *6,251 *,**6,251 Amnesia "Zoetrope"
14, *6,138 *,**6,138 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER Twelve Seasons! vol.3 Yayoi
16, *6,077 *,**6,077 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER Twelve Seasons! vol.4 Haruka
17, *4,844 *,**4,844 Zetsuen no Tempest "Bokutachi no Uta"
20, *3,957 *,**3,957 Berserk Ougon Jidaihen III: Kourin "breakthrough"
22, *3,693 *,**3,693 Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? "Black ✝ White"
25, *3,474 *,**3,474 Kingdom "Never Ending"
27, *3,185 *,*60,931 Hunter x Hunter: Phantom Rouge "Reason"
31, *2,886 *,**2,886 New Prince of Tennis "Valentine Kiss"
35, *2,745 *,*12,254 Love Live! School Idol Project "Bokura wa Ima no Naka de"
36, *2,603 *,*22,473 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.13 Airi
38, *2,491 *,*20,972 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.12 Riina
39, *2,453 *,*21,612 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.11 Miho
41, *2,427 *,*34,642 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "Jojo ~Sono Chi no Sadame~"
42, *2,147 *,**6,283 Sasami-san@Ganbaranai "Alteration"
43, *2,142 *,*18,932 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.14 Mizuki
44, *2,117 *,**2,117 Maoyuu Maou Yuusha "Unknown Vision"
46, *2,060 *,**2,060 Maoyuu Maou Yuusha "Mukaikaze"
47, *1,880 *,**7,334 Kotoura-san "Sonnnakoto Ura no Mata Urabanashi desho?"
48, *1,875 *,*17,146 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.15 Mio

 

[Milamber]

Finally, the week's music sales, and there's a lot of it:

Single CD
*3, 21,195 *,*21,195 Crayon Shin-chan "Kimi ni 100%"
*4, 20,980 *,*20,980 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "Bloody Stream"
*7, 10,371 *,290,569 Nogizaka46 "Yubi Boenkyo"
13, *6,251 *,**6,251 Amnesia "Zoetrope"
14, *6,138 *,**6,138 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER Twelve Seasons! vol.3 Yayoi
16, *6,077 *,**6,077 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER Twelve Seasons! vol.4 Haruka
17, *4,844 *,**4,844 Zetsuen no Tempest "Bokutachi no Uta"
20, *3,957 *,**3,957 Berserk Ougon Jidaihen III: Kourin "breakthrough"
22, *3,693 *,**3,693 Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? "Black ✝ White"
25, *3,474 *,**3,474 Kingdom "Never Ending"
27, *3,185 *,*60,931 Hunter x Hunter: Phantom Rouge "Reason"
31, *2,886 *,**2,886 New Prince of Tennis "Valentine Kiss"
35, *2,745 *,*12,254 Love Live! School Idol Project "Bokura wa Ima no Naka de"
36, *2,603 *,*22,473 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.13 Airi
38, *2,491 *,*20,972 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.12 Riina
39, *2,453 *,*21,612 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.11 Miho
41, *2,427 *,*34,642 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "Jojo ~Sono Chi no Unmei~"
42, *2,147 *,**6,283 Sasami-san@Ganbaranai "Alteration"
43, *2,142 *,*18,932 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.14 Mizuki
44, *2,117 *,**2,117 Maoyuu Maou Yuusha "Unknown Vision"
46, *2,060 *,**2,060 Maoyuu Maou Yuusha "Mukaikaze"
47, *1,880 *,**7,334 Kotoura-san "Sonnnakoto Ura no Mata Urabanashi desho?"
48, *1,875 *,*17,146 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master vol.15 Mio

 

[zeroshiki]

I still can't believe you didn't get that film strip. lol

I had 3 tickets! How was I to know they needed 3 tickets on different dates! The bastards.