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[zeroshiki]

Light Novels as a concept didn't even come into being until the 2000's. It really was just a classification meant to signal to people that the stuff is much simpler than a standard novel. Its basically a step removed from manga and/or cellphone novels.

 

[firehawk12]

You realize who wrote that post you're replying to, right?

Oh, I know. It was just that shocking!

 

[R_thanatos]

Good shows based on Light Novels:

-Baccano!
-Fate/Zero
-Hyouka
-Kino's Journey
-Spice and Wolf
-Humanity Has Declined
-Toradora
-Kure-nai

That's all I can think of.

Alternatively, the worst recent trends in anime, and some of the worst, yet most popular shows have their roots in that insidious medium.

Isn't 12 kingdoms a LN , too ? because i think it deserve to be on this list .

 

[Narag]

Light Novels as a concept didn't even come into being until the 2000's. It really was just a classification meant to signal to people that the stuff is much simpler than a standard novel. Its basically a step removed from manga and/or cellphone novels.

I had no idea cellphone novels were a thing.

 

[Branduil]

Light Novels are basically the next step up from fan fiction.

 

[Dresden]

Light Novels as a concept didn't even come into being until the 2000's. It really was just a classification meant to signal to people that the stuff is much simpler than a standard novel. Its basically a step removed from manga and/or cellphone novels.

Basically the YA genre in the west, warts and terrible writing and all. YA has also become a content farm for movie and TV adaptations, and very occasionally, there's some good here and there.

 

[Chet Rippo]

The classification reeks of marketing bullshit. There isn't any hard delineation of the supposed genre, just what some publishers label a segment of their output.

Aren't they pretty much the same thing as children novels?

 

[Jintor]

I really want to learn Japanese to discover if LNs are inherently terrible or it's just the translations that are terrible.

 

[ZachDeKoromaru]

Aren't they pretty much the same thing as children novels?

I wish the children novels I read were as explicit as something like Highschool DxD.

 

[Chet Rippo]

I wish the children novels I read were as explicit as something like Highschool DxD.

I meant more in length than in content.

 

[madp]

Light Novels are basically the next step up from fan fiction.

In the majority of cases, I'd rather read fanfiction than Light Novels because at least the terrible ones are humorously terrible.

I had no idea cellphone novels were a thing.

I remember learning of their existence in an anime but I can't even remember what show it was now.

 

[ZachDeKoromaru]

I remember learning of their existence in an anime but I can't even remember what show it was now.

The last episode from my Hidamari Sketch x ☆☆☆ rewatch had one in it. I think I learned about them by reading Bakuman.

 

[Branduil]

I really want to learn Japanese to discover if LNs are inherently terrible or it's just the translations that are terrible.

How well-written can something like Oreimo or Infinite Stratos really be?

 

[dimb]

How well-written can something like Oreimo or Infinite Stratos really be?

Well if incest was good enough for Shakespeare...

 

[zeroshiki]

I really want to learn Japanese to discover if LNs are inherently terrible or it's just the translations that are terrible.

Well, not that I'm an expert or anything but alot of them are at their core very shallow and trite. Fan translations just exacerbate the whole thing with mistranslations, poor vocabulary and shitty grammar.

I tried reading the Haganai LN and it bored me because it really did feel like an anime episode in text form. The other ones I've read (Bungaku Shoujo, Maria-sama ga Miteru) have been pretty good.

I had no idea cellphone novels were a thing.

They are and its as bad as what you're imagining.

 

[Narag]

They are and its as bad as what you're imagining.

Wondering if there are twitter novels or something now.

Edit: So there is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/oct/12/twitter-fiction-140-character-novels

 

[Jintor]

How well-written can something like Oreimo or Infinite Stratos really be?

My primary exposure was the Haruhi LNs which i read the fan-translations of and the Toradora ones which I glanced through. Frankly, the Haruhi LNs I think are decent (the official translations anyway) but could be better if you gave them to a better rewriter (

Spoiler

i.e. me

).

The thing I like about LNs (and other pulp-level literature) is that it makes me think even I could write something that might one day sell to people who would buy it for money.

 

[Chet Rippo]

I had no idea cellphone novels were a thing.

Entirely written in emoticons!

 

[zeroshiki]

Stephenie Meyer has nothing on the crap shoujo manga/cellphone novels have already produced.

 

[wonzo]

They are and its as bad as what you're imagining.

2 b or nt 2 b

tht is th qstn

 

[Narag]

Stephenie Meyer has nothing on the crap shoujo manga/cellphone novels have already produced.

Have any been adapted into anime?

 

[ZachDeKoromaru]

Wondering if there are twitter novels or something now.

#Imouto

 

[Narag]

My primary exposure was the Haruhi LNs which i read the fan-translations of and the Toradora ones which I glanced through. Frankly, the Haruhi LNs I think are decent (the official translations anyway) but could be better if you gave them to a better rewriter (

Spoiler

i.e. me

).

The thing I like about LNs (and other pulp-level literature) is that it makes me think even I could write something that might one day sell to people who would buy it for money.

Break into that YA market and retire young.

For some reason I typed die young initially which makes me think I'm either tired or I have some sort of subconscious grudge against you. Perhaps both.

 

[Branduil]

Stephenie Meyer has nothing on the crap shoujo manga/cellphone novels have already produced.

I'd put her on the same level as a LN writer.

 

[zeroshiki]

The thing I like about LNs (and other pulp-level literature) is that it makes me think even I could write something that might one day sell to people who would buy it for money.

This is one thing I don't like about the internet revolution. Everyone gets a voice! There's a reason stuff don't get published. While the publishing world has its faults, alot of the stuff that do get rejected are just not good.

Have any been adapted into anime?

Vampire Knight? Its pretty awful.

 

[Jintor]

Break into that YA market and retire young.

For some reason I typed die young initially which makes me think I'm either tired or I have some sort of subconscious grudge against you. Perhaps both.

Awww, i wuv you too narag.

This is one thing I don't like about the internet revolution. Everyone gets a voice! There's a reason stuff don't get published. While the publishing world has its faults, alot of the stuff that do get rejected are just not good.

Sturgeon's Law is in full effect everywhere!

 

[wonzo]

This is one thing I don't like about the internet revolution. Everyone gets a voice! There's a reason stuff don't get published. While the publishing world has its faults, alot of the stuff that do get rejected are just not good.

I can't even begin to imagine just how bad something would have to be to get rejected given some of the shit that gets published nowadays.

 

[cajunator]

Isn't 12 kingdoms a LN , too ? because i think it deserve to be on this list .

it is and it should.

I wish the children novels I read were as explicit as something like Highschool DxD.

is that show good? what is it about? It has a rather nice ED.

 

[zeroshiki]

I can't even begin to imagine just how bad something would have to be to get rejected given some of the shit that gets published nowadays.

Look at the 99c Kindle books!

Or go to fanfiction.net

 

[Narag]

I can't even begin to imagine just how bad something would have to be to get rejected given some of the shit that gets published nowadays.

Peruse self-published books on amazon for a taste.

edit: damn it, zeroshiki

 

[ZachDeKoromaru]

is that show good? what is it about? It has a rather nice ED.

It was ok, I mainly watched it for butts and boobs. And I got butts and boobs and they were great.

 

[Crash Station]

is that show good? what is it about? It has a rather nice ED.

Some perverted dude gets turned into a demon, then he gets a harem and fights people. Wasn't bad. My 2nd favorite show of last winter (which isn't saying much, but still).

 

[dimb]

is that show good? what is it about? It has a rather nice ED.

I think you would like it.

 

[Crash Station]

I can't wait until my self published novel turns out to be the most poorly written thing ever.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Sakurasou Ep. 21:

Spoiler

Fucking brutal.

 

[wonzo]

Look at the 99c Kindle books!

Or go to fanfiction.net

Peruse self-published books on amazon for a taste.

edit: damn it, zeroshiki

I've read enough fanfiction.net stories and self published book teardowns to last me ten lifetimes. What I need is something even worse than the above.

 

[Narag]

I can't wait until my self published novel turns out to be the most poorly written thing ever.

Get friends to read it and give you criticism, get someone to proofread it, and you'll be a leg up on so many others out there.

I've read enough fanfiction.net stories and self published book teardowns to last me ten lifetimes. What I need is something even worse than the above.

You can apparently get wonzo to help too, cosmic.

 

[zeroshiki]

I've read enough fanfiction.net stories and self published book teardowns to last me ten lifetimes. What I need is something even worse than the above.

↓↓↓

I can't wait until my self published novel turns out to be the most poorly written thing ever.

EDIT: beaten by Narag

 

[CorvoSol]

Rin-Ne no Lagrange S2 10

Weeeee-heeeell. That got out of hand quick. I knew Moid was up to nothing good. You can only sit there with a Brock face for so long before SOMETHING comes out about you.

Holy heck, though. Bro is CRAAAAZY.

Spoiler

Waaaaaah. Just as I was starting to like Google Video!

 

[Jintor]

I would love to know the percentage of writers who plot out everything intricately beforehand vs the seat-of-their-pants writers who just trial-by-fire everything

 

[dakkumauji]

Have any been adapted into anime?

Not an anime, but Tenshi no Koi which is a film is based off a cell phone novel.
Koizora: Setsunai Koi Monogatari also started as a cell phone novel got a manga, a film and a TV drama.

 

[Narag]

I would love to know the percentage of writers who plot out everything intricately beforehand vs the seat-of-their-pants writers who just trial-by-fire everything

Ought to figure out how many come out of nanowrimo too.

 

[CorvoSol]

I would love to know the percentage of writers who plot out everything intricately beforehand vs the seat-of-their-pants writers who just trial-by-fire everything

Sometimes I do both?

 

[Narag]

Not an anime, but Tenshi no Koi which is a film is based off a cell phone novel.
Koizora: Setsunai Koi Monogatari also started as a cell phone novel got a manga, a film and a TV drama.

Neat. That gets filed under obscure trivia for me.

 

[cajunator]

It was ok, I mainly watched it for butts and boobs. And I got butts and boobs and they were great.

Some perverted dude gets turned into a demon, then he gets a harem and fights people. Wasn't bad. My 2nd favorite show of last winter (which isn't saying much, but still).

I think you would like it.

thanks.
I like the girl with cat ears.
whoever she is.

 

[zeroshiki]

Not an anime, but Tenshi no Koi which is a film is based off a cell phone novel.
Koizora: Setsunai Koi Monogatari also started as a cell phone novel got a manga, a film and a TV drama.

Both movies were awful.

Koizora is super famous though.

 

[dakkumauji]

Both movies were awful.

Koizora is super famous though.

Never said they were any good!

GJ-bu 09

Your weekly dose of hair brushing and fetish play.

 

[ZachDeKoromaru]

thanks.
I like the girl with cat ears.
whoever she is.

That's Koneko, also known as best girl.

 

[Crash Station]

Get friends to read it and give you criticism, get someone to proofread it, and you'll be a leg up on so many others out there.

Friends aren't really readers, so they probably wouldn't give a good critique. Relatives are reading it, though.

 

[cajunator]

That's Koneko, also known as best girl.

yeah I figured she was the best.